Early PER comparisons

[Silas]

I know that using PER to measure performance is not perfect and that it mainly measures offensive performance.   However, I thought it would be interesting to look at and debate some of our current and past players as the season gets underway.  As a reminder, the league average is 15.

Horford - 26.84
Brown - 24.68
G. Williams - 22.92
R. Williams - 22.45
Tatum - 22.10
Fournier - 16.94
Schroder - 16.21
Hayward - 13.22
Walker - 11.58
Smart - 7.42

Slight correction:  Walker is 11.58 not 13.22

[Celtics2021]

Don’t forget Aaron Nesmith’s negative 10.  I honestly didn’t know you could get that low.

(Don’t worry, Nesmith fans.  PER is troublesome at best, and it has huge issues with sample size.)

[Vermont Green]

Wow, our bigs (Horford, Williams, Williams) are really tearing it up.  Doesn't quite match the eye test to me.  Good to see though.  Hope they keep it up.

[Vermont Green]

And I was wondering about Josh Richardson, he is at 9.68

Not bad for what looks like a really slow start for him.

[footey]

Rob had one of the highest PERs last season in the entire league. 

[Csfan1984]

Have to keep Horford fresh and healthy to get that great performance consistently.

I think the starters would be even higher if the team wasn't starting double big the first two games.

[droopdog7]

Wow, our bigs (Horford, Williams, Williams) are really tearing it up.  Doesn't quite match the eye test to me.  Good to see though.  Hope they keep it up.

I feel like the numbers match the eye test pretty darn well actually

[droopdog7]

Don’t forget Aaron Nesmith’s negative 10.  I honestly didn’t know you could get that low.

(Don’t worry, Nesmith fans.  PER is troublesome at best, and it has huge issues with sample size.)

What we're seeing here isn't an issue with PER as it is with the small sample size.  I think PER is capturing exactly what is going on with Nesmith. 

What isn't clear is whether Nesmith will do better in the long term.  Okay, he'll definitely do better than -10 but he still could be crap and unplayeable.

[Roy H.]

I know that using PER to measure performance is not perfect and that it mainly measures offensive performance.   However, I thought it would be interesting to look at and debate some of our current and past players as the season gets underway.  As a reminder, the league average is 15.

Horford - 26.84
Brown - 24.68
G. Williams - 22.92
R. Williams - 22.45
Tatum - 22.10
Fournier - 16.94
Schroder - 16.21
Hayward - 13.22
Walker - 11.58
Smart - 7.42

Slight correction:  Walker is 11.58 not 13.22

Basketball-reference has different numbers.  Updated, perhaps?

Jabari - 29.5
Horford - 23.4
Jaylen - 21.4
G. Williams - 19.9
Timelord - 19.6
Tatum - 19.1
Schroder - 14.1
Langford - 10.9
Richardson - 8.4
Smart - 6.4
Nesmith - (-)10.2

Another interesting statistical anomaly:  Herangomez leads the team in usage (41. and turnover percentage (38.1)

[Silas]

I know that using PER to measure performance is not perfect and that it mainly measures offensive performance.   However, I thought it would be interesting to look at and debate some of our current and past players as the season gets underway.  As a reminder, the league average is 15.

Horford - 26.84
Brown - 24.68
G. Williams - 22.92
R. Williams - 22.45
Tatum - 22.10
Fournier - 16.94
Schroder - 16.21
Hayward - 13.22
Walker - 11.58
Smart - 7.42

Slight correction:  Walker is 11.58 not 13.22

Basketball-reference has different numbers.  Updated, perhaps?

Jabari - 29.5
Horford - 23.4
Jaylen - 21.4
G. Williams - 19.9
Timelord - 19.6
Tatum - 19.1
Schroder - 14.1
Langford - 10.9
Richardson - 8.4
Smart - 6.4
Nesmith - (-)10.2

Another interesting statistical anomaly:  Herangomez leads the team in usage (41. and turnover percentage (38.1)

Not sure why there is a difference.  I took the PER numbers from ESPN stats through yesterday's games. 

[Goldstar88]

I know that using PER to measure performance is not perfect and that it mainly measures offensive performance.   However, I thought it would be interesting to look at and debate some of our current and past players as the season gets underway.  As a reminder, the league average is 15.

Horford - 26.84
Brown - 24.68
G. Williams - 22.92
R. Williams - 22.45
Tatum - 22.10
Fournier - 16.94
Schroder - 16.21
Hayward - 13.22
Walker - 11.58
Smart - 7.42

Slight correction:  Walker is 11.58 not 13.22

Walker is basically a (non prime) Lou Williams type role player at this point(10ppg, 2reb, 2ast), yet many still think that it was a mistake trading him away for Horford. Guess seeing is not always believing.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I know that using PER to measure performance is not perfect and that it mainly measures offensive performance.   However, I thought it would be interesting to look at and debate some of our current and past players as the season gets underway.  As a reminder, the league average is 15.

Horford - 26.84
Brown - 24.68
G. Williams - 22.92
R. Williams - 22.45
Tatum - 22.10
Fournier - 16.94
Schroder - 16.21
Hayward - 13.22
Walker - 11.58
Smart - 7.42

Slight correction:  Walker is 11.58 not 13.22

Walker is basically a (non prime) Lou Williams type role player at this point(10ppg, 2reb, 2ast), yet many still think that it was a mistake trading him away for Horford. Guess seeing is not always believing.

Statistically you are right, but from my eye test he's worse. Walker does not look like a starting point guard in the NBA anymore. I'm not even sure what he brings as a change of pace backup. Rose was able to transition to that, but most guards aren't.

Love the guy and I wish we could have had some UCONN moments in Boston, but he looks cooked to me.

[Neurotic Guy]

I know that using PER to measure performance is not perfect and that it mainly measures offensive performance.   However, I thought it would be interesting to look at and debate some of our current and past players as the season gets underway.  As a reminder, the league average is 15.

Horford - 26.84
Brown - 24.68
G. Williams - 22.92
R. Williams - 22.45
Tatum - 22.10
Fournier - 16.94
Schroder - 16.21
Hayward - 13.22
Walker - 11.58
Smart - 7.42

Slight correction:  Walker is 11.58 not 13.22

Walker is basically a (non prime) Lou Williams type role player at this point(10ppg, 2reb, 2ast), yet many still think that it was a mistake trading him away for Horford. Guess seeing is not always believing.

Statistically you are right, but from my eye test he's worse. Walker does not look like a starting point guard in the NBA anymore. I'm not even sure what he brings as a change of pace backup. Rose was able to transition to that, but most guards aren't.

Love the guy and I wish we could have had some UCONN moments in Boston, but he looks cooked to me.

It wasn't long ago that Kemba used go on head-shaking runs from long range -- hitting shot after unlikely shot.  Almost JT-like when he's bombing and swishing.  In addition, he was finding his way to the hoop and finishing -- with regularity.   Today's Kemba doesn't seem able to do these things.  And without those things, really -- what benefit does he provide to a basketball team?  OK passer, OK handle, defensive liability.   Doesn't seem to be a guy who is going to suddenly re-emerge as the player he once was.   

On the other hand, Horford looks pretty much like Horford.

[gouki88]

Don’t forget Aaron Nesmith’s negative 10.  I honestly didn’t know you could get that low.

(Don’t worry, Nesmith fans.  PER is troublesome at best, and it has huge issues with sample size.)

Wow! That's impressive. Kevin Knox is at -8.5 or something like that (4 minutes played total). He's my go-to for woefully inefficient wing play

[droopdog7]

Don’t forget Aaron Nesmith’s negative 10.  I honestly didn’t know you could get that low.

(Don’t worry, Nesmith fans.  PER is troublesome at best, and it has huge issues with sample size.)

Wow! That's impressive. Kevin Knox is at -8.5 or something like that (4 minutes played total). He's my go-to for woefully inefficient wing play

Crazy how knox quickly went from prospect to dud.