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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1800 on: February 19, 2022, 12:34:59 AM »

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So much tech available these days.

Yet the NBA can't get their reffing sorted.

Corrupt bunch.

I've been calling for at least one and maybe as many as 5 off the floor refs just watching and rewatching live and making calls/ correcting calls or at least able to end the long film reviews for like 10 years now. We have the technology. I also don't think it's a good look for NBA games to be sponsored by sports betting. They absolutely need to get rid of the intentional foul like in the international play. We would've won that Piston's game at the end without that intentional foul.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1801 on: February 19, 2022, 01:45:18 AM »

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As hard as this is on a Celtics site, I don't think you can make a really reasonable argument that Bill should be ahead of Kareem.  In fact, I think you have an easier time arguing Kareem is the greatest player ever then you would arguing that Bill was better than Kareem.

How do you account for a guy who, in a period of 15 years, won two NCAA championships, 11 NBA championships, and a gold medal?  With all of those coming with him as the most impactful player?  And hell, if Russell doesn't get hurt in the '58 Finals, the Celts are probably winning that title, too. 

I wish we had advanced stats  and tracking data related to Russell's era, so that we could track how many shots he blocked, and how many he altered.

There's a non-zero chance that even with his vastly inferior offense, Russell's overall game was better than Kareem's.
Russell was great, but he also was playing on teams with way more HOFers than his competition, including his college team.  Kareem went to 10 Finals winning 6.  It isn't like he didn't have team success.  He is the all time leading regular season scorer (at least for another year).  He has more MVP's, more win shares, and more of just about everything.  And while Bill was a better defender, it isn't like Kareem wasn't a great defender.  I mean he is 3rd all time in defensive win shares (Bill is 1 and Duncan is 2).  It is easier to argue that Kareem is the greatest player ever than it is to argue that Bill was a better player than him.   A lot of people don't even have Bill as the greatest player of his generation (i.e. Wilt).  Bill for as great as he was, is not a better player than Kareem.

Of course, a lot of those guys aren't Hall of Famers if they don't play next to Russell and win several championships.  Is K.C. Jones (the guy on his college team) a HOFer independently?  Zero-time all-star, 7.4 points and 4.3 assists?

I assume that Cousy, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Tommy make it in if they never played with Russell.  Everybody else is suspect.  Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey?  I don't see it.  So, four non-suspect Hall of Famers on varying time lines.  That's not really much different than who Wilt or Kareem played with.
Of course it is.  Wilt had just 3 other HOFers on his team only a couple of seasons, and even then they weren't entirely healthy some of those seasons.  Basically the one time Wilt had a near equal number of HOFers on this team with health, they put together the greatest season the sport had ever seen to that point, and absolutely throttled the Celtics in a gentlemen's sweep in which Wilt dominated Bill (and to be clear Greer, Walker, and Cunningham were not equivalent to Jones, Hondo, Howell, and Jones - let alone the supporting guys like Embry, Siegfried, and Sanders).  Bill was great, but he was also on a team of great players with the greatest GM in the sports history.

Apologize if I missed it, generally curious where you rank russell?

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1802 on: February 19, 2022, 07:55:35 AM »

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As hard as this is on a Celtics site, I don't think you can make a really reasonable argument that Bill should be ahead of Kareem.  In fact, I think you have an easier time arguing Kareem is the greatest player ever then you would arguing that Bill was better than Kareem.

How do you account for a guy who, in a period of 15 years, won two NCAA championships, 11 NBA championships, and a gold medal?  With all of those coming with him as the most impactful player?  And hell, if Russell doesn't get hurt in the '58 Finals, the Celts are probably winning that title, too. 

I wish we had advanced stats  and tracking data related to Russell's era, so that we could track how many shots he blocked, and how many he altered.

There's a non-zero chance that even with his vastly inferior offense, Russell's overall game was better than Kareem's.
Russell was great, but he also was playing on teams with way more HOFers than his competition, including his college team.  Kareem went to 10 Finals winning 6.  It isn't like he didn't have team success.  He is the all time leading regular season scorer (at least for another year).  He has more MVP's, more win shares, and more of just about everything.  And while Bill was a better defender, it isn't like Kareem wasn't a great defender.  I mean he is 3rd all time in defensive win shares (Bill is 1 and Duncan is 2).  It is easier to argue that Kareem is the greatest player ever than it is to argue that Bill was a better player than him.   A lot of people don't even have Bill as the greatest player of his generation (i.e. Wilt).  Bill for as great as he was, is not a better player than Kareem.

Of course, a lot of those guys aren't Hall of Famers if they don't play next to Russell and win several championships.  Is K.C. Jones (the guy on his college team) a HOFer independently?  Zero-time all-star, 7.4 points and 4.3 assists?

I assume that Cousy, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Tommy make it in if they never played with Russell.  Everybody else is suspect.  Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey?  I don't see it.  So, four non-suspect Hall of Famers on varying time lines.  That's not really much different than who Wilt or Kareem played with.
Of course it is.  Wilt had just 3 other HOFers on his team only a couple of seasons, and even then they weren't entirely healthy some of those seasons.  Basically the one time Wilt had a near equal number of HOFers on this team with health, they put together the greatest season the sport had ever seen to that point, and absolutely throttled the Celtics in a gentlemen's sweep in which Wilt dominated Bill (and to be clear Greer, Walker, and Cunningham were not equivalent to Jones, Hondo, Howell, and Jones - let alone the supporting guys like Embry, Siegfried, and Sanders).  Bill was great, but he was also on a team of great players with the greatest GM in the sports history.

Apologize if I missed it, generally curious where you rank russell?
I've been watching NBA since the 1960's. For a long time in the 1970's and even into the 80's, I had Russell as #1. I had to change my thinking once Kareem and Jordan did their thing and retired. Now, I can't really choose so instead I have think of it as a GOAT category. I have these guys as the top FOUR players of all time without trying to decide the order:

Russell - The championships and success throughout his college/pro career
Wilt - Most dominant player ever who holds a record that may never be broken
Kareem - All-time scoring champ (reg season) who perfected the unguardable sky-hook
Jordan - A totally unique player (at the time) who changed the game with his athleticism

I don't have a fifth player because I don't think there's anyone else who is so unique that they deserve to be in the GOAT category.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1803 on: February 19, 2022, 12:16:06 PM »

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As hard as this is on a Celtics site, I don't think you can make a really reasonable argument that Bill should be ahead of Kareem.  In fact, I think you have an easier time arguing Kareem is the greatest player ever then you would arguing that Bill was better than Kareem.

How do you account for a guy who, in a period of 15 years, won two NCAA championships, 11 NBA championships, and a gold medal?  With all of those coming with him as the most impactful player?  And hell, if Russell doesn't get hurt in the '58 Finals, the Celts are probably winning that title, too. 

I wish we had advanced stats  and tracking data related to Russell's era, so that we could track how many shots he blocked, and how many he altered.

There's a non-zero chance that even with his vastly inferior offense, Russell's overall game was better than Kareem's.
Russell was great, but he also was playing on teams with way more HOFers than his competition, including his college team.  Kareem went to 10 Finals winning 6.  It isn't like he didn't have team success.  He is the all time leading regular season scorer (at least for another year).  He has more MVP's, more win shares, and more of just about everything.  And while Bill was a better defender, it isn't like Kareem wasn't a great defender.  I mean he is 3rd all time in defensive win shares (Bill is 1 and Duncan is 2).  It is easier to argue that Kareem is the greatest player ever than it is to argue that Bill was a better player than him.   A lot of people don't even have Bill as the greatest player of his generation (i.e. Wilt).  Bill for as great as he was, is not a better player than Kareem.

Of course, a lot of those guys aren't Hall of Famers if they don't play next to Russell and win several championships.  Is K.C. Jones (the guy on his college team) a HOFer independently?  Zero-time all-star, 7.4 points and 4.3 assists?

I assume that Cousy, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Tommy make it in if they never played with Russell.  Everybody else is suspect.  Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey?  I don't see it.  So, four non-suspect Hall of Famers on varying time lines.  That's not really much different than who Wilt or Kareem played with.
Of course it is.  Wilt had just 3 other HOFers on his team only a couple of seasons, and even then they weren't entirely healthy some of those seasons.  Basically the one time Wilt had a near equal number of HOFers on this team with health, they put together the greatest season the sport had ever seen to that point, and absolutely throttled the Celtics in a gentlemen's sweep in which Wilt dominated Bill (and to be clear Greer, Walker, and Cunningham were not equivalent to Jones, Hondo, Howell, and Jones - let alone the supporting guys like Embry, Siegfried, and Sanders).  Bill was great, but he was also on a team of great players with the greatest GM in the sports history.

Apologize if I missed it, generally curious where you rank russell?
I've been watching NBA since the 1960's. For a long time in the 1970's and even into the 80's, I had Russell as #1. I had to change my thinking once Kareem and Jordan did their thing and retired. Now, I can't really choose so instead I have think of it as a GOAT category. I have these guys as the top FOUR players of all time without trying to decide the order:

Russell - The championships and success throughout his college/pro career
Wilt - Most dominant player ever who holds a record that may never be broken
Kareem - All-time scoring champ (reg season) who perfected the unguardable sky-hook
Jordan - A totally unique player (at the time) who changed the game with his athleticism

I don't have a fifth player because I don't think there's anyone else who is so unique that they deserve to be in the GOAT category.
Lebron

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1804 on: February 19, 2022, 12:43:06 PM »

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As hard as this is on a Celtics site, I don't think you can make a really reasonable argument that Bill should be ahead of Kareem.  In fact, I think you have an easier time arguing Kareem is the greatest player ever then you would arguing that Bill was better than Kareem.

How do you account for a guy who, in a period of 15 years, won two NCAA championships, 11 NBA championships, and a gold medal?  With all of those coming with him as the most impactful player?  And hell, if Russell doesn't get hurt in the '58 Finals, the Celts are probably winning that title, too. 

I wish we had advanced stats  and tracking data related to Russell's era, so that we could track how many shots he blocked, and how many he altered.

There's a non-zero chance that even with his vastly inferior offense, Russell's overall game was better than Kareem's.
Russell was great, but he also was playing on teams with way more HOFers than his competition, including his college team.  Kareem went to 10 Finals winning 6.  It isn't like he didn't have team success.  He is the all time leading regular season scorer (at least for another year).  He has more MVP's, more win shares, and more of just about everything.  And while Bill was a better defender, it isn't like Kareem wasn't a great defender.  I mean he is 3rd all time in defensive win shares (Bill is 1 and Duncan is 2).  It is easier to argue that Kareem is the greatest player ever than it is to argue that Bill was a better player than him.   A lot of people don't even have Bill as the greatest player of his generation (i.e. Wilt).  Bill for as great as he was, is not a better player than Kareem.

Of course, a lot of those guys aren't Hall of Famers if they don't play next to Russell and win several championships.  Is K.C. Jones (the guy on his college team) a HOFer independently?  Zero-time all-star, 7.4 points and 4.3 assists?

I assume that Cousy, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Tommy make it in if they never played with Russell.  Everybody else is suspect.  Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey?  I don't see it.  So, four non-suspect Hall of Famers on varying time lines.  That's not really much different than who Wilt or Kareem played with.
Of course it is.  Wilt had just 3 other HOFers on his team only a couple of seasons, and even then they weren't entirely healthy some of those seasons.  Basically the one time Wilt had a near equal number of HOFers on this team with health, they put together the greatest season the sport had ever seen to that point, and absolutely throttled the Celtics in a gentlemen's sweep in which Wilt dominated Bill (and to be clear Greer, Walker, and Cunningham were not equivalent to Jones, Hondo, Howell, and Jones - let alone the supporting guys like Embry, Siegfried, and Sanders).  Bill was great, but he was also on a team of great players with the greatest GM in the sports history.

Apologize if I missed it, generally curious where you rank russell?
I've been watching NBA since the 1960's. For a long time in the 1970's and even into the 80's, I had Russell as #1. I had to change my thinking once Kareem and Jordan did their thing and retired. Now, I can't really choose so instead I have think of it as a GOAT category. I have these guys as the top FOUR players of all time without trying to decide the order:

Russell - The championships and success throughout his college/pro career
Wilt - Most dominant player ever who holds a record that may never be broken
Kareem - All-time scoring champ (reg season) who perfected the unguardable sky-hook
Jordan - A totally unique player (at the time) who changed the game with his athleticism

I don't have a fifth player because I don't think there's anyone else who is so unique that they deserve to be in the GOAT category.
Lebron
Please justify him as truly part of GOAT right now.  If he passes Kareem, then OK.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1805 on: February 19, 2022, 01:13:42 PM »

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As hard as this is on a Celtics site, I don't think you can make a really reasonable argument that Bill should be ahead of Kareem.  In fact, I think you have an easier time arguing Kareem is the greatest player ever then you would arguing that Bill was better than Kareem.

How do you account for a guy who, in a period of 15 years, won two NCAA championships, 11 NBA championships, and a gold medal?  With all of those coming with him as the most impactful player?  And hell, if Russell doesn't get hurt in the '58 Finals, the Celts are probably winning that title, too. 

I wish we had advanced stats  and tracking data related to Russell's era, so that we could track how many shots he blocked, and how many he altered.

There's a non-zero chance that even with his vastly inferior offense, Russell's overall game was better than Kareem's.
Russell was great, but he also was playing on teams with way more HOFers than his competition, including his college team.  Kareem went to 10 Finals winning 6.  It isn't like he didn't have team success.  He is the all time leading regular season scorer (at least for another year).  He has more MVP's, more win shares, and more of just about everything.  And while Bill was a better defender, it isn't like Kareem wasn't a great defender.  I mean he is 3rd all time in defensive win shares (Bill is 1 and Duncan is 2).  It is easier to argue that Kareem is the greatest player ever than it is to argue that Bill was a better player than him.   A lot of people don't even have Bill as the greatest player of his generation (i.e. Wilt).  Bill for as great as he was, is not a better player than Kareem.

Of course, a lot of those guys aren't Hall of Famers if they don't play next to Russell and win several championships.  Is K.C. Jones (the guy on his college team) a HOFer independently?  Zero-time all-star, 7.4 points and 4.3 assists?

I assume that Cousy, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Tommy make it in if they never played with Russell.  Everybody else is suspect.  Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey?  I don't see it.  So, four non-suspect Hall of Famers on varying time lines.  That's not really much different than who Wilt or Kareem played with.
Of course it is.  Wilt had just 3 other HOFers on his team only a couple of seasons, and even then they weren't entirely healthy some of those seasons.  Basically the one time Wilt had a near equal number of HOFers on this team with health, they put together the greatest season the sport had ever seen to that point, and absolutely throttled the Celtics in a gentlemen's sweep in which Wilt dominated Bill (and to be clear Greer, Walker, and Cunningham were not equivalent to Jones, Hondo, Howell, and Jones - let alone the supporting guys like Embry, Siegfried, and Sanders).  Bill was great, but he was also on a team of great players with the greatest GM in the sports history.

Apologize if I missed it, generally curious where you rank russell?
I've been watching NBA since the 1960's. For a long time in the 1970's and even into the 80's, I had Russell as #1. I had to change my thinking once Kareem and Jordan did their thing and retired. Now, I can't really choose so instead I have think of it as a GOAT category. I have these guys as the top FOUR players of all time without trying to decide the order:

Russell - The championships and success throughout his college/pro career
Wilt - Most dominant player ever who holds a record that may never be broken
Kareem - All-time scoring champ (reg season) who perfected the unguardable sky-hook
Jordan - A totally unique player (at the time) who changed the game with his athleticism

I don't have a fifth player because I don't think there's anyone else who is so unique that they deserve to be in the GOAT category.
Lebron
Please justify him as truly part of GOAT right now.  If he passes Kareem, then OK.

He’ll pass Kareem next season.  You think that elevates him?


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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1806 on: February 19, 2022, 01:29:09 PM »

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As hard as this is on a Celtics site, I don't think you can make a really reasonable argument that Bill should be ahead of Kareem.  In fact, I think you have an easier time arguing Kareem is the greatest player ever then you would arguing that Bill was better than Kareem.

How do you account for a guy who, in a period of 15 years, won two NCAA championships, 11 NBA championships, and a gold medal?  With all of those coming with him as the most impactful player?  And hell, if Russell doesn't get hurt in the '58 Finals, the Celts are probably winning that title, too. 

I wish we had advanced stats  and tracking data related to Russell's era, so that we could track how many shots he blocked, and how many he altered.

There's a non-zero chance that even with his vastly inferior offense, Russell's overall game was better than Kareem's.
Russell was great, but he also was playing on teams with way more HOFers than his competition, including his college team.  Kareem went to 10 Finals winning 6.  It isn't like he didn't have team success.  He is the all time leading regular season scorer (at least for another year).  He has more MVP's, more win shares, and more of just about everything.  And while Bill was a better defender, it isn't like Kareem wasn't a great defender.  I mean he is 3rd all time in defensive win shares (Bill is 1 and Duncan is 2).  It is easier to argue that Kareem is the greatest player ever than it is to argue that Bill was a better player than him.   A lot of people don't even have Bill as the greatest player of his generation (i.e. Wilt).  Bill for as great as he was, is not a better player than Kareem.

Of course, a lot of those guys aren't Hall of Famers if they don't play next to Russell and win several championships.  Is K.C. Jones (the guy on his college team) a HOFer independently?  Zero-time all-star, 7.4 points and 4.3 assists?

I assume that Cousy, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Tommy make it in if they never played with Russell.  Everybody else is suspect.  Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey?  I don't see it.  So, four non-suspect Hall of Famers on varying time lines.  That's not really much different than who Wilt or Kareem played with.
Of course it is.  Wilt had just 3 other HOFers on his team only a couple of seasons, and even then they weren't entirely healthy some of those seasons.  Basically the one time Wilt had a near equal number of HOFers on this team with health, they put together the greatest season the sport had ever seen to that point, and absolutely throttled the Celtics in a gentlemen's sweep in which Wilt dominated Bill (and to be clear Greer, Walker, and Cunningham were not equivalent to Jones, Hondo, Howell, and Jones - let alone the supporting guys like Embry, Siegfried, and Sanders).  Bill was great, but he was also on a team of great players with the greatest GM in the sports history.

Apologize if I missed it, generally curious where you rank russell?
I've been watching NBA since the 1960's. For a long time in the 1970's and even into the 80's, I had Russell as #1. I had to change my thinking once Kareem and Jordan did their thing and retired. Now, I can't really choose so instead I have think of it as a GOAT category. I have these guys as the top FOUR players of all time without trying to decide the order:

Russell - The championships and success throughout his college/pro career
Wilt - Most dominant player ever who holds a record that may never be broken
Kareem - All-time scoring champ (reg season) who perfected the unguardable sky-hook
Jordan - A totally unique player (at the time) who changed the game with his athleticism

I don't have a fifth player because I don't think there's anyone else who is so unique that they deserve to be in the GOAT category.
Lebron
Please justify him as truly part of GOAT right now.  If he passes Kareem, then OK.
Really? You're kidding me! Okay:

18-time All-Star
4-time MVP
4-time Finals MVP
Rookie of the Year
4-Time NBA Champion
10 times in NBA Finals
13-time All-NBA 1st team
3 time All-NBA 2nd team
1-time All-NBA 3rd team
5-time All-Defense 1st team
1-time All-Defense 2nd team
3rd All-time Career Points
1st All-time Career Playoff Points
1st All-time Career Reg+Playoff Points
6th All-time Career Playoff Rebounds
7th All-time Career Assists
2nd All-time Career Playoff Assists
5th All-time Career Reg+Playoff Assists
10th All-time Career Playoff Blocks
1st All-time Career Playoff Games

There are literally a couple to three dozen more All-time Career Regular Season and Playoff and Reg+Playoff records he holds.

How someone can think Lebron ISN'T in the conversation as GOAT is rather perplexing. I hate Lebron as much if not more than the next Celtic fan, but I can at least acknowledge true greatness when it right there in front of my face.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1807 on: February 19, 2022, 01:35:55 PM »

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As hard as this is on a Celtics site, I don't think you can make a really reasonable argument that Bill should be ahead of Kareem.  In fact, I think you have an easier time arguing Kareem is the greatest player ever then you would arguing that Bill was better than Kareem.

How do you account for a guy who, in a period of 15 years, won two NCAA championships, 11 NBA championships, and a gold medal?  With all of those coming with him as the most impactful player?  And hell, if Russell doesn't get hurt in the '58 Finals, the Celts are probably winning that title, too. 

I wish we had advanced stats  and tracking data related to Russell's era, so that we could track how many shots he blocked, and how many he altered.

There's a non-zero chance that even with his vastly inferior offense, Russell's overall game was better than Kareem's.
Russell was great, but he also was playing on teams with way more HOFers than his competition, including his college team.  Kareem went to 10 Finals winning 6.  It isn't like he didn't have team success.  He is the all time leading regular season scorer (at least for another year).  He has more MVP's, more win shares, and more of just about everything.  And while Bill was a better defender, it isn't like Kareem wasn't a great defender.  I mean he is 3rd all time in defensive win shares (Bill is 1 and Duncan is 2).  It is easier to argue that Kareem is the greatest player ever than it is to argue that Bill was a better player than him.   A lot of people don't even have Bill as the greatest player of his generation (i.e. Wilt).  Bill for as great as he was, is not a better player than Kareem.

Of course, a lot of those guys aren't Hall of Famers if they don't play next to Russell and win several championships.  Is K.C. Jones (the guy on his college team) a HOFer independently?  Zero-time all-star, 7.4 points and 4.3 assists?

I assume that Cousy, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Tommy make it in if they never played with Russell.  Everybody else is suspect.  Satch Sanders, Frank Ramsey?  I don't see it.  So, four non-suspect Hall of Famers on varying time lines.  That's not really much different than who Wilt or Kareem played with.
Of course it is.  Wilt had just 3 other HOFers on his team only a couple of seasons, and even then they weren't entirely healthy some of those seasons.  Basically the one time Wilt had a near equal number of HOFers on this team with health, they put together the greatest season the sport had ever seen to that point, and absolutely throttled the Celtics in a gentlemen's sweep in which Wilt dominated Bill (and to be clear Greer, Walker, and Cunningham were not equivalent to Jones, Hondo, Howell, and Jones - let alone the supporting guys like Embry, Siegfried, and Sanders).  Bill was great, but he was also on a team of great players with the greatest GM in the sports history.

Apologize if I missed it, generally curious where you rank russell?
I've been watching NBA since the 1960's. For a long time in the 1970's and even into the 80's, I had Russell as #1. I had to change my thinking once Kareem and Jordan did their thing and retired. Now, I can't really choose so instead I have think of it as a GOAT category. I have these guys as the top FOUR players of all time without trying to decide the order:

Russell - The championships and success throughout his college/pro career
Wilt - Most dominant player ever who holds a record that may never be broken
Kareem - All-time scoring champ (reg season) who perfected the unguardable sky-hook
Jordan - A totally unique player (at the time) who changed the game with his athleticism

I don't have a fifth player because I don't think there's anyone else who is so unique that they deserve to be in the GOAT category.
Lebron
Please justify him as truly part of GOAT right now.  If he passes Kareem, then OK.
Really? You're kidding me! Okay:

18-time All-Star
4-time MVP
4-time Finals MVP
Rookie of the Year
4-Time NBA Champion
10 times in NBA Finals
13-time All-NBA 1st team
3 time All-NBA 2nd team
1-time All-NBA 3rd team
5-time All-Defense 1st team
1-time All-Defense 2nd team
3rd All-time Career Points
1st All-time Career Playoff Points
1st All-time Career Reg+Playoff Points
6th All-time Career Playoff Rebounds
7th All-time Career Assists
2nd All-time Career Playoff Assists
5th All-time Career Reg+Playoff Assists
10th All-time Career Playoff Blocks
1st All-time Career Playoff Games

There are literally a couple to three dozen more All-time Career Regular Season and Playoff and Reg+Playoff records he holds.

How someone can think Lebron ISN'T in the conversation as GOAT is rather perplexing. I hate Lebron as much if not more than the next Celtic fan, but I can at least acknowledge true greatness when it right there in front of my face.

In 19 seasons, he missed being an All-Star 1 season? Terrible!  :laugh:

But yeah this is all true. I personally have MJ 1, Lebron 2 and Kareem 3. Russell for me is probably 5-6
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1808 on: February 19, 2022, 04:14:12 PM »

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« Reply #1809 on: February 19, 2022, 06:02:20 PM »

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LeBron James’ message to all 30 teams Saturday was clear: If you want me, draft Bronny. “My last year will be played with my son,” James said. “Wherever Bronny is at, that’s where I’ll be. I would do whatever it takes to play with my son for one year. It’s not about the money at that point

Better not trade that 2024 #1, Brad.


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« Reply #1810 on: February 19, 2022, 06:06:44 PM »

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LeBron James’ message to all 30 teams Saturday was clear: If you want me, draft Bronny. “My last year will be played with my son,” James said. “Wherever Bronny is at, that’s where I’ll be. I would do whatever it takes to play with my son for one year. It’s not about the money at that point

Better not trade that 2024 #1, Brad.

Is Bronny going to have to see the court?

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« Reply #1811 on: February 19, 2022, 06:19:20 PM »

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LeBron James’ message to all 30 teams Saturday was clear: If you want me, draft Bronny. “My last year will be played with my son,” James said. “Wherever Bronny is at, that’s where I’ll be. I would do whatever it takes to play with my son for one year. It’s not about the money at that point

Better not trade that 2024 #1, Brad.
This makes for an incredibly interesting dynamic. If LeBron is still playing at an elite level when his son is looking to be drafted, how much higher will that boost Bronny's stock? He's not incredibly highly rated just yet, but if the deal was Bronny + LeBron on whatever contract it took that would be very intriguing.
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« Reply #1812 on: February 19, 2022, 07:51:18 PM »

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LeBron James’ message to all 30 teams Saturday was clear: If you want me, draft Bronny. “My last year will be played with my son,” James said. “Wherever Bronny is at, that’s where I’ll be. I would do whatever it takes to play with my son for one year. It’s not about the money at that point

Better not trade that 2024 #1, Brad.
This makes for an incredibly interesting dynamic. If LeBron is still playing at an elite level when his son is looking to be drafted, how much higher will that boost Bronny's stock? He's not incredibly highly rated just yet, but if the deal was Bronny + LeBron on whatever contract it took that would be very intriguing.

Until the duo complains that Bronny isn’t seeing the court and you have to play him 20 minutes a night.

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« Reply #1813 on: February 19, 2022, 08:04:40 PM »

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