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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1050 on: December 29, 2021, 07:27:52 AM »

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Franz Wagner is legit!

38-7-3 against the Bucks on 12-20 from the floor, 4-8 from 3 and 10-10 from the FT line.

He can create his own shot. He can create shots for his teammates. He can run the PnR as a 6'9" ball handler! He can play on or off the ball. He's a plus defender. He can do it all! If you ask me, he's on his way to become a rich man's Hayward. He's taller, longer and more athletic than Hayward. Chances are he'll become stronger as well.
I viewed his floor as Who's post above, and a poor man's Utah Hayward as his ceiling. My projected ceiling might end up being his floor. Incredibly impressive. The magic may have finally hit on one of their swings (Isaac excluded. Injuries are terrible.)
I'm just sad that we didn't keep our pick and try to trade up, Wagner was one of the guys I really wanted :'(
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1051 on: December 29, 2021, 07:51:00 AM »

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Franz Wagner is legit!

38-7-3 against the Bucks on 12-20 from the floor, 4-8 from 3 and 10-10 from the FT line.

He can create his own shot. He can create shots for his teammates. He can run the PnR as a 6'9" ball handler! He can play on or off the ball. He's a plus defender. He can do it all! If you ask me, he's on his way to become a rich man's Hayward. He's taller, longer and more athletic than Hayward. Chances are he'll become stronger as well.
I viewed his floor as Who's post above, and a poor man's Utah Hayward as his ceiling. My projected ceiling might end up being his floor. Incredibly impressive. The magic may have finally hit on one of their swings (Isaac excluded. Injuries are terrible.)
I'm just sad that we didn't keep our pick and try to trade up, Wagner was one of the guys I really wanted :'(
I wonder if Smart and 16 would have gotten us up to 7.  Seems like something GS might have been interested in.

The draft is looking like it could be one of those very deep drafts with lots of all star level players.  Cunningham, Green, Mobley, Barnes, Suggs, Giddey, Wagner have all shown all star level talent.  Kuminga, Duarte, Sengun have all shown some real flashes.  And that doesn't even get into guys like Williams, Mitchell, Bouknight, Murphy, Moody, etc. that all have at least rotation level talent if not more.
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1052 on: December 29, 2021, 03:28:21 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1053 on: December 29, 2021, 05:29:31 PM »

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Man I am trying to think of how many teams IT has played for. He may approach a record at this rate

Celtics
Kings
Suns
Cavs
Denver
Lakers
New Orleans
Mavs

Am I forgetting anyone?

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1054 on: December 29, 2021, 10:51:23 PM »

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I know Lebron basically hand picked this roster, but i felt a bit bad for him watching the end of his game against memphis. He played a great game but was completely gassed in the 4th trying to get back on d, short on all his shot. I get the Lakers need these wins but they can't play him 80 minutes in two games back to back with travel in the middle. They are going to cause a serious injury for him. Do they really ride this out the rest of the season? Getting Davis will certainly help some, but they were already playing Lebron this much pre-davis.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1055 on: December 29, 2021, 11:10:57 PM »

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They have to at least until Lebron gets hurt or they are actually eliminated from the playoffs.  I mean entering today they were still the 7th seed and that is without Davis and their big 3 playing in 15 games total.  If Davis really does come back some time in January, the Lakers will be fine (and by fine, I mean making the playoffs with a chance to do some real damage if they are healthy)
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1056 on: December 29, 2021, 11:27:13 PM »

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They have to at least until Lebron gets hurt or they are actually eliminated from the playoffs.  I mean entering today they were still the 7th seed and that is without Davis and their big 3 playing in 15 games total.  If Davis really does come back some time in January, the Lakers will be fine (and by fine, I mean making the playoffs with a chance to do some real damage if they are healthy)

Is him not getting injured in playing those minutes not a really valid concern? I mean I wouldn't even like it for Tatum and Brown. And while he was an absolute warrior until he got to LA, he has had a variety of injuries since he got there. Even if it means you have to sit him a few extra minutes and you are more likely to lose, it not is not worth risking injuring him entirely. I also think this is usually the sign of a bad coach.

Also they haven’t been fine all season when they had Davis. Why would they magically be fine when he does? Davis has put on a lot of weight to bulk up for center and is not the same player. Westbrook is also a disaster. I don’t think they will be fine with this roster.
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1057 on: December 29, 2021, 11:52:11 PM »

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Chuck said it at the start of the season and I'm in love with the statement.

Lakers gonna be great.

In 2010.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1058 on: December 30, 2021, 07:24:44 AM »

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Great see Lakers losing!! Lot of ppl blaming Westbrook but he is doing good..That team is just old and I said it beginning of the season that this team is overrated..
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1059 on: December 30, 2021, 07:48:23 AM »

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They have to at least until Lebron gets hurt or they are actually eliminated from the playoffs.  I mean entering today they were still the 7th seed and that is without Davis and their big 3 playing in 15 games total.  If Davis really does come back some time in January, the Lakers will be fine (and by fine, I mean making the playoffs with a chance to do some real damage if they are healthy)

Is him not getting injured in playing those minutes not a really valid concern? I mean I wouldn't even like it for Tatum and Brown. And while he was an absolute warrior until he got to LA, he has had a variety of injuries since he got there. Even if it means you have to sit him a few extra minutes and you are more likely to lose, it not is not worth risking injuring him entirely. I also think this is usually the sign of a bad coach.

Also they haven’t been fine all season when they had Davis. Why would they magically be fine when he does? Davis has put on a lot of weight to bulk up for center and is not the same player. Westbrook is also a disaster. I don’t think they will be fine with this roster.
Sure it is a concern, but what exactly are the Lakers options?  I mean not playing a healthy Lebron will never fly with Lebron and when he is healthy he plays a lot of minutes and always has.  As long as Lebron is healthy, he is going to play like he always does.  That is just who he is and as he keeps inching closer to the Mailman and Kareem, he isn't going to sit just to sit.  If Lebron can play he will.  And if Lebron plays, he is going to play a lot of minutes.  That is just the reality of the situation. 

Lebron, Davis, and Russ have played 15 games together and they weren't consecutive.  I believe the Lakers are 8-7 in those games, which isn't great, but also isn't terrible.  If Davis comes back in January and they can play the rest of the year mostly healthy, I fully expect them to be a 50 win pace type team that if they enter the playoffs healthy could beat anyone because Lebron is still pretty clearly a top 10 player, Davis is supposed to be a top 10 player, and Russ still has his moments of greatness.  If they end up the 6th seed and play Utah, the Lakers would have the 2 best players in that series, and while it does happen, it is incredibly rare for a team to lose a playoff series when it has the 2 best players on the floor.  They have to be healthy, which is obviously not the most likely outcome though given Lebron's age and AD's inability to ever stay healthy.
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1060 on: December 30, 2021, 08:07:39 AM »

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Man I am trying to think of how many teams IT has played for. He may approach a record at this rate

Celtics
Kings
Suns
Cavs
Denver
Lakers
New Orleans
Mavs

Am I forgetting anyone?

Man, I was really hoping IT would get a shot with the Celtics after he was cut by the Lakers.  I mean the team is in shambles right now, why not try him out? Part nostalgia, part unfinished business, and maybe just to give the team a jolt. This team as it is now is just flat and uninspired.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1061 on: December 30, 2021, 09:23:52 AM »

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Per ESPN- Dallas Mavericks, ravaged by protocol additions, reach hardship deal with Isaiah Thomas, sources say.


Man I am trying to think of how many teams IT has played for. He may approach a record at this rate

Celtics
Kings
Suns
Cavs
Denver
Lakers
New Orleans
Mavs

Am I forgetting anyone?

Man, I was really hoping IT would get a shot with the Celtics after he was cut by the Lakers.  I mean the team is in shambles right now, why not try him out? Part nostalgia, part unfinished business, and maybe just to give the team a jolt. This team as it is now is just flat and uninspired.
nostalgia would want him back -- was a great shooter/scorer, passer and above average ballhandler.  Kept the offense moving.   Practicality doesn't want him back because he's not the player he used to be and his defense would get this team killed -- cannot be used in a switching defense because as we all saw in his first run here the opposition just gets him switched on to bigger offensive players that either back him down into the paint or just shoot over him essentially uncontested.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1062 on: December 30, 2021, 01:47:50 PM »

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They have to at least until Lebron gets hurt or they are actually eliminated from the playoffs.  I mean entering today they were still the 7th seed and that is without Davis and their big 3 playing in 15 games total.  If Davis really does come back some time in January, the Lakers will be fine (and by fine, I mean making the playoffs with a chance to do some real damage if they are healthy)

Is him not getting injured in playing those minutes not a really valid concern? I mean I wouldn't even like it for Tatum and Brown. And while he was an absolute warrior until he got to LA, he has had a variety of injuries since he got there. Even if it means you have to sit him a few extra minutes and you are more likely to lose, it not is not worth risking injuring him entirely. I also think this is usually the sign of a bad coach.

Also they haven’t been fine all season when they had Davis. Why would they magically be fine when he does? Davis has put on a lot of weight to bulk up for center and is not the same player. Westbrook is also a disaster. I don’t think they will be fine with this roster.
Sure it is a concern, but what exactly are the Lakers options?  I mean not playing a healthy Lebron will never fly with Lebron and when he is healthy he plays a lot of minutes and always has.  As long as Lebron is healthy, he is going to play like he always does.  That is just who he is and as he keeps inching closer to the Mailman and Kareem, he isn't going to sit just to sit.  If Lebron can play he will.  And if Lebron plays, he is going to play a lot of minutes.  That is just the reality of the situation. 

Lebron, Davis, and Russ have played 15 games together and they weren't consecutive.  I believe the Lakers are 8-7 in those games, which isn't great, but also isn't terrible.  If Davis comes back in January and they can play the rest of the year mostly healthy, I fully expect them to be a 50 win pace type team that if they enter the playoffs healthy could beat anyone because Lebron is still pretty clearly a top 10 player, Davis is supposed to be a top 10 player, and Russ still has his moments of greatness.  If they end up the 6th seed and play Utah, the Lakers would have the 2 best players in that series, and while it does happen, it is incredibly rare for a team to lose a playoff series when it has the 2 best players on the floor.  They have to be healthy, which is obviously not the most likely outcome though given Lebron's age and AD's inability to ever stay healthy.

I feel like you are totally glossing over the fact that Davis put on anywhere from 15-30 pounds to play more center over the offseason and it has dramatically impacted his game. His 3 point shooting % for the year is 18% ( after it had already fallen last year to 26%) so he wouldn't actually effectively pull Gobert out of the paint like he would when he was a 34% 3 point shooter for three years. Gobert is also thoroughly outplaying Davis the year and leads the league in many advanced metrics. I don't really see a reason to just say Davis is clearly better than him based on what we have seen. The Lakers also don't have enough shooting. Now maybe they can add more prior to the trade deadline. Right now though this team is not constructed to be Utah, Golden State or Phoenix. They would have a close series with Memphis. Also, as the third oldest team in league history they are probably going to be worse at the end of the season than they are now (we have seen this happen with Horford on our own team).

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1063 on: December 30, 2021, 03:03:23 PM »

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I'm not glossing over anything.  Anthony Davis is better than Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell. 
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1064 on: December 30, 2021, 03:11:09 PM »

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I take a healthy Davis or Durant over anyone
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