BR Report: Celtics interested in acquiring Lauri Markkanan?

[Roy H.]

I like Markkanen more than Porzingis. But I have no idea how we can acquire him longterm.

I like him better at $15 million per year than I do Porzingis at $35 million.

[gouki88]

I like Markkanen more than Porzingis. But I have no idea how we can acquire him longterm.

I like him better at $15 million per year than I do Porzingis at $35 million.

Indeed! Hell, I'd take him at $18m before Zinger on his current deal

[liam]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

[gouki88]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

[liam]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

[gouki88]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

[Moranis]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

Sabonis has taken a fairly typical path improving every year with fairly big jumps between his 1st and 2nd and then 2nd and 3rd years.  That is what you'd expect, especially from a big man.

[gouki88]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

Sabonis has taken a fairly typical path improving every year with fairly big jumps between his 1st and 2nd and then 2nd and 3rd years.  That is what you'd expect, especially from a big man.

Please point to me all the posts of people predicting him to end up as a 20/12/7 guy after his rookie season.

[Moranis]

Well no double sign and trade, though I'd still move Smart for Markkanen.  Might have to include someone like Grant Williams to make the dollars work and stay below the hard cap.

[Moranis]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

Sabonis has taken a fairly typical path improving every year with fairly big jumps between his 1st and 2nd and then 2nd and 3rd years.  That is what you'd expect, especially from a big man.

Please point to me all the posts of people predicting him to end up as a 20/12/7 guy after his rookie season.

There is a reason Indiana made him a big part of the Paul George trade.  Big men often take time to develop.  Jokic 10/7/2.5 in 22 mpg as a rookie.  John Collins 10.5/7.3 in 24 mpg as a rookie.  Capela played 12 games a rookie and even in year 2 was just a 7/6.5 guy in 17 mpg.  Nurkic, who you cited, 7/6 in 18 mpg as a rookie (pre-injury he was a 17.5/10.5 guy).  Gobert 2.3/2.3 in 9.6 mpg over 45 games as a rookie.  Even much lesser talented players like Steven Adams (3.3/4.1 in 17.8 mpg) or superstars like Anthony Davis (13.5/8 over 29 mpg) have bad rookie years statistically.  That doesn't mean all big men are awful as rookies.  Towns and Ayton were both very good.

Sure guys sometimes surprise with their peaks.  I mean no one saw Giannis coming, but it also is very common for young big men to make massive leaps in production after their 1st and 2nd years, which is exactly what Sabonis did.

[gouki88]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

Sabonis has taken a fairly typical path improving every year with fairly big jumps between his 1st and 2nd and then 2nd and 3rd years.  That is what you'd expect, especially from a big man.

Please point to me all the posts of people predicting him to end up as a 20/12/7 guy after his rookie season.

There is a reason Indiana made him a big part of the Paul George trade.  Big men often take time to develop.  Jokic 10/7/2.5 in 22 mpg as a rookie.  John Collins 10.5/7.3 in 24 mpg as a rookie.  Capela played 12 games a rookie and even in year 2 was just a 7/6.5 guy in 17 mpg.  Nurkic, who you cited, 7/6 in 18 mpg as a rookie (pre-injury he was a 17.5/10.5 guy).  Gobert 2.3/2.3 in 9.6 mpg over 45 games as a rookie.  Even much lesser talented players like Steven Adams (3.3/4.1 in 17.8 mpg) or superstars like Anthony Davis (13.5/8 over 29 mpg) have bad rookie years statistically.  That doesn't mean all big men are awful as rookies.  Towns and Ayton were both very good.

Sure guys sometimes surprise with their peaks.  I mean no one saw Giannis coming, but it also is very common for young big men to make massive leaps in production after their 1st and 2nd years, which is exactly what Sabonis did.

The difference being Sabonis has made big leaps every single season. That's what makes him stand out. Even this past season his passing made a significant jump. Nobody is disputing that bigs take time. But nobody thought Sabonis would become this triple-double machine that he is now, and I don't think it's wise to try and peg Sengun as the next Sabonis before he's played a real NBA minute.

[liam]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

Sabonis has taken a fairly typical path improving every year with fairly big jumps between his 1st and 2nd and then 2nd and 3rd years.  That is what you'd expect, especially from a big man.

Please point to me all the posts of people predicting him to end up as a 20/12/7 guy after his rookie season.

There is a reason Indiana made him a big part of the Paul George trade.  Big men often take time to develop.  Jokic 10/7/2.5 in 22 mpg as a rookie.  John Collins 10.5/7.3 in 24 mpg as a rookie.  Capela played 12 games a rookie and even in year 2 was just a 7/6.5 guy in 17 mpg.  Nurkic, who you cited, 7/6 in 18 mpg as a rookie (pre-injury he was a 17.5/10.5 guy).  Gobert 2.3/2.3 in 9.6 mpg over 45 games as a rookie.  Even much lesser talented players like Steven Adams (3.3/4.1 in 17.8 mpg) or superstars like Anthony Davis (13.5/8 over 29 mpg) have bad rookie years statistically.  That doesn't mean all big men are awful as rookies.  Towns and Ayton were both very good.

Sure guys sometimes surprise with their peaks.  I mean no one saw Giannis coming, but it also is very common for young big men to make massive leaps in production after their 1st and 2nd years, which is exactly what Sabonis did.

The difference being Sabonis has made big leaps every single season. That's what makes him stand out. Even this past season his passing made a significant jump. Nobody is disputing that bigs take time. But nobody thought Sabonis would become this triple-double machine that he is now, and I don't think it's wise to try and peg Sengun as the next Sabonis before he's played a real NBA minute.

I said his game was like Sabonis not that he'd be as good. He plays like Sabonis.

[footey]

Well no double sign and trade, though I'd still move Smart for Markkanen.  Might have to include someone like Grant Williams to make the dollars work and stay below the hard cap.

I’d do this. Honestly think Smart has become irrelevant with Schroeder.

[gouki88]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

Sabonis has taken a fairly typical path improving every year with fairly big jumps between his 1st and 2nd and then 2nd and 3rd years.  That is what you'd expect, especially from a big man.

Please point to me all the posts of people predicting him to end up as a 20/12/7 guy after his rookie season.

There is a reason Indiana made him a big part of the Paul George trade.  Big men often take time to develop.  Jokic 10/7/2.5 in 22 mpg as a rookie.  John Collins 10.5/7.3 in 24 mpg as a rookie.  Capela played 12 games a rookie and even in year 2 was just a 7/6.5 guy in 17 mpg.  Nurkic, who you cited, 7/6 in 18 mpg as a rookie (pre-injury he was a 17.5/10.5 guy).  Gobert 2.3/2.3 in 9.6 mpg over 45 games as a rookie.  Even much lesser talented players like Steven Adams (3.3/4.1 in 17.8 mpg) or superstars like Anthony Davis (13.5/8 over 29 mpg) have bad rookie years statistically.  That doesn't mean all big men are awful as rookies.  Towns and Ayton were both very good.

Sure guys sometimes surprise with their peaks.  I mean no one saw Giannis coming, but it also is very common for young big men to make massive leaps in production after their 1st and 2nd years, which is exactly what Sabonis did.

The difference being Sabonis has made big leaps every single season. That's what makes him stand out. Even this past season his passing made a significant jump. Nobody is disputing that bigs take time. But nobody thought Sabonis would become this triple-double machine that he is now, and I don't think it's wise to try and peg Sengun as the next Sabonis before he's played a real NBA minute.

I said his game was like Sabonis not that he'd be as good. He plays like Sabonis.

Which I don't really agree with either. His passing and ball-handling is much more Al Horford than Sabonis (high post passing rather than initiating the offence). He really needs to develop a perimeter game on offence to maximise his passing I think. If he can do that he should be a fun duo with Wood. I also think Sengun has a better defensive floor than Sabonis - seems way more willing to protect the rim.

So I think I'm settling on Al Horford without a jump shot as my comparison for him

[Who]

I would've rather have kept our pick and grabbed Alperen Sengun.

Eh. He has no ability to play anywhere besides the 5, and would have struggled for the necessary minutes here. Wood is the ideal pairing for him in Houston with his perimeter game on offence

I love this kid he's going to be like Sabonis. You find room for him.

There's a big gap between one good Summer League game and the second best passing big man in the NBA. He's also got much less perimeter game than Sabonis, even as a young player. Sabonis also had a really unexpected developmental arc. I see him more as a Mason Plumlee type big with a Nurkic tier ceiling (pre-injury) than a perennial All-Star like Sabonis.

Sabonis has taken a fairly typical path improving every year with fairly big jumps between his 1st and 2nd and then 2nd and 3rd years.  That is what you'd expect, especially from a big man.

Please point to me all the posts of people predicting him to end up as a 20/12/7 guy after his rookie season.

There is a reason Indiana made him a big part of the Paul George trade.  Big men often take time to develop.  Jokic 10/7/2.5 in 22 mpg as a rookie.  John Collins 10.5/7.3 in 24 mpg as a rookie.  Capela played 12 games a rookie and even in year 2 was just a 7/6.5 guy in 17 mpg.  Nurkic, who you cited, 7/6 in 18 mpg as a rookie (pre-injury he was a 17.5/10.5 guy).  Gobert 2.3/2.3 in 9.6 mpg over 45 games as a rookie.  Even much lesser talented players like Steven Adams (3.3/4.1 in 17.8 mpg) or superstars like Anthony Davis (13.5/8 over 29 mpg) have bad rookie years statistically.  That doesn't mean all big men are awful as rookies.  Towns and Ayton were both very good.

Sure guys sometimes surprise with their peaks.  I mean no one saw Giannis coming, but it also is very common for young big men to make massive leaps in production after their 1st and 2nd years, which is exactly what Sabonis did.

The difference being Sabonis has made big leaps every single season. That's what makes him stand out. Even this past season his passing made a significant jump. Nobody is disputing that bigs take time. But nobody thought Sabonis would become this triple-double machine that he is now, and I don't think it's wise to try and peg Sengun as the next Sabonis before he's played a real NBA minute.

I said his game was like Sabonis not that he'd be as good. He plays like Sabonis.

Which I don't really agree with either. His passing and ball-handling is much more Al Horford than Sabonis (high post passing rather than initiating the offence). He really needs to develop a perimeter game on offence to maximise his passing I think. If he can do that he should be a fun duo with Wood. I also think Sengun has a better defensive floor than Sabonis - seems way more willing to protect the rim.

So I think I'm settling on Al Horford without a jump shot as my comparison for him

Al Horford without a jump-shot = Bam Adebayo

Although that shot is slowly improving year on year.