Report: Schroder Signs With Celts

[liam]

I don't get the negativity some have for this signing. Schroder was runner up for 2020 6th man of the year. If his head is in the right place, he can be a tremendous difference for this team.

I agree!!! I think it was a tremendous signing & cheap..with Al there also, he be in check

Yeah, it's a win, win, win.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I've long disliked Schroder, but that's mainly because he often found ways to hurt the Celtics. I'm glad to have him on board, especially for that bargain rate.

[GreenShooter]

The fact that he’s already in Kyrie’s head makes this a great signing. Not mention at great price. I don’t see the downside.

[Silas]

Anyone know what number Schroder will wear?  Obviously he can't put on Hondo's #17.

[Celtics4ever]

I've long disliked Schroder, but that's mainly because he often found ways to hurt the Celtics. I'm glad to have him on board, especially for that bargain rate.

Yeah, he has been a Celtics Killer at times.

[Roy H.]

Some interesting stuff related to Schroder’s time with the Lakers:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-lakers-star-anthony-davis-033651549.html

Assists to Lakers star Anthony Davis per 36 minutes playing with him:

Rajon Rondo in 2019-20: 4.3

Dennis Schroder in 2020-21: 2.1

With one point guard assisting him twice as frequently as the other, Davis noticed.

Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report:

“Per an NBA source familiar with some of the Lakers’ struggles through the 2020-21 campaign, Davis felt some frustration that he wasn’t getting the kind of looks in the post with Dennis Schroder running the point compared to those he received with Rondo a year earlier.”

It’s understandable Davis got frustrated. Though he has improved at creating his own shots, for a high-scoring star, he’s heavily reliant on getting set up.

Rondo is a savvy passer with chemistry with Davis from when they played together with the Pelicans. Schroder is not that level of a distributor, and he might have had some tunnel vision toward the basket in a contract year last season.

Returning to the Lakers, Rondo could boost Davis more than Schroder did.

But that’s not the whole story.

The Lakers scored way more efficiently when Davis and Schroder shared the court last season (114.7 points per 100 possessions) than when Davis and Rondo shared the court the prior season (103.9 points per 100 possessions).

The difference was even more pronounced with LeBron James on the floor. Lakers’ offensive rating with…

Rondo, LeBron and Davis: 92.6

Schroder, LeBron and Davis: 116.3

Rondo’s lack of scoring and floor spacing are impediments. Setting up Davis is only one element of the offense.

To be fair, Rondo stepped up in the 2020 playoffs. The Lakers scored 113.7 points per 100 possessions with Rondo, LeBron and Davis sharing the floor that postseason.

The Lakers also won’t ask as much of Rondo this time around. Los Angeles has Russell Westbrook and Kendrick Nunn at point guard. Rondo’s ability to create shots for Davis provides significant value in some situations.

But – while Davis will welcome back Rondo – the Lakers ought to be careful not to miss the forest for the trees with Rondo’s offense.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So Davis likes to pitch with his own catcher, got it... LOL.

[gouki88]

Some interesting stuff related to Schroder’s time with the Lakers:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-lakers-star-anthony-davis-033651549.html

Assists to Lakers star Anthony Davis per 36 minutes playing with him:

Rajon Rondo in 2019-20: 4.3

Dennis Schroder in 2020-21: 2.1

With one point guard assisting him twice as frequently as the other, Davis noticed.

Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report:

“Per an NBA source familiar with some of the Lakers’ struggles through the 2020-21 campaign, Davis felt some frustration that he wasn’t getting the kind of looks in the post with Dennis Schroder running the point compared to those he received with Rondo a year earlier.”

It’s understandable Davis got frustrated. Though he has improved at creating his own shots, for a high-scoring star, he’s heavily reliant on getting set up.

Rondo is a savvy passer with chemistry with Davis from when they played together with the Pelicans. Schroder is not that level of a distributor, and he might have had some tunnel vision toward the basket in a contract year last season.

Returning to the Lakers, Rondo could boost Davis more than Schroder did.

But that’s not the whole story.

The Lakers scored way more efficiently when Davis and Schroder shared the court last season (114.7 points per 100 possessions) than when Davis and Rondo shared the court the prior season (103.9 points per 100 possessions).

The difference was even more pronounced with LeBron James on the floor. Lakers’ offensive rating with…

Rondo, LeBron and Davis: 92.6

Schroder, LeBron and Davis: 116.3

Rondo’s lack of scoring and floor spacing are impediments. Setting up Davis is only one element of the offense.

To be fair, Rondo stepped up in the 2020 playoffs. The Lakers scored 113.7 points per 100 possessions with Rondo, LeBron and Davis sharing the floor that postseason.

The Lakers also won’t ask as much of Rondo this time around. Los Angeles has Russell Westbrook and Kendrick Nunn at point guard. Rondo’s ability to create shots for Davis provides significant value in some situations.

But – while Davis will welcome back Rondo – the Lakers ought to be careful not to miss the forest for the trees with Rondo’s offense.

Makes sense, Rondo and AD had previous chemistry (remember Rondo getting 25 assists in New Orleans?) and Rondo is probably the most willing passer in the league. Schroder is a decent passer, but has a totally different mindset to Rondo

[jambr380]

That's a strange story and paints AD in a bad light (is that the point?). Even though LAL is much more effective as a team with Schroder running point, AD would rather have a considerably worse player out there because he gets assisted 2 more times per game by that player. Even goes as far to say that he was frustrated by the player who greatly improved the team's offense.

[Vermont Green]

It is the old story of Rondo and assists.  He holds the ball and doesn't pass until he thinks the pass will lead to an assist instead of a team where everyone passes and assists can come from anywhere.

Rondo was (is?) a good passer, great vision.  No doubt Davis got some easy baskets from Rondo but the opportunity cost of that is less overall ball movement and team passing.  It was the same when Rondo was here.

I would rather have Schroder on the Celtics this season then Rondo.  That seems to be the bottom line.  Apparently, the Lakers (or some of them) prefer Rondo.

[Roy H.]

That's a strange story and paints AD in a bad light (is that the point?). Even though LAL is much more effective as a team with Schroder running point, AD would rather have a considerably worse player out there because he gets assisted 2 more times per game by that player. Even goes as far to say that he was frustrated by the player who greatly improved the team's offense.

I think the original BR report was probably to pump up Rondo a bit, and then a Lakers writer / blogger looked at the actual numbers.

[gift]

That's a strange story and paints AD in a bad light (is that the point?). Even though LAL is much more effective as a team with Schroder running point, AD would rather have a considerably worse player out there because he gets assisted 2 more times per game by that player. Even goes as far to say that he was frustrated by the player who greatly improved the team's offense.

Man, he's going to love playing with Westbrook. He might get worse touches and less efficiency.

[Vermont Green]

That's a strange story and paints AD in a bad light (is that the point?). Even though LAL is much more effective as a team with Schroder running point, AD would rather have a considerably worse player out there because he gets assisted 2 more times per game by that player. Even goes as far to say that he was frustrated by the player who greatly improved the team's offense.

Man, he's going to love playing with Westbrook. He might get worse touches and less efficiency.

I guess a big does, to some extent, rely on others to get him his offense over say a wing that can create on his own.  But man, can you ever imagine Kevin Garnett saying or even thinking something like this?  I doubt that this accurately reflects exactly what Davis said or tried to say.  He never seemed like a selfish player to me.  He may have felt a little of this but I doubt to the extent that is it portrayed in the article.

And comparing stats for different teams for different seasons is not all telling.  It does reflect what I saw on the court with Rondo so I feel it is definitely real, but there was more going on than just the difference between Rondo and Schroder.

As I said, I am happy with Schroder.  And as said above, the real chemistry issue will be Westbrook, not Rondo as the back up.  For the good of the team, Davis is going to have to change his game.  Fewer shots/touches, more defense and rebounding, more screening.  Let's see how he adjusts to that.

[Kernewek]

I think it's a little more complicated than one metric can show. Davis doesn't have much in the way of a post repertoire - he's all putbacks, alley-oops, and particularly spin lobs out of postups. Any pass that moves him away from the basket is no good, because he'll face up and shoot jumpers, and apparently those are exactly the kind of passes that Schroeder sent his way from the fans who have watched more than I have.

While it was fairly obvious that they didn't have any chemistry in the handful of Laker games I watched last season: I've read from some more die-hard lakers fans that Davis got one successful lob from Schroeder on a grand total of two attempts. That's not the best way to use your best player.

It's no coincidence that Davis's two best seasons in the league have come when he was playing with Rondo, who is a guy that is absolutely going to get you the ball in the best position for you to score.

Now, is the swap to the greater detriment of their team? Maybe. I think the bigger problem is that Davis continues to want to play like a wing when he clearly isn't at his best when doing so.

I hope that the Lakers are worse with Rondo because I want the Lakers to lose basketball games, but I see no reason to suspect Davis will be worse with Rondo, and there are many worse things than having your backup point guard complement your best player.

[Somebody]

I think it's a little more complicated than one metric can show. Davis doesn't have much in the way of a post repertoire - he's all putbacks, alley-oops, and particularly spin lobs out of postups. Any pass that moves him away from the basket is no good, because he'll face up and shoot jumpers, and apparently those are exactly the kind of passes that Schroeder sent his way from the fans who have watched more than I have.

While it was fairly obvious that they didn't have any chemistry in the handful of Laker games I watched last season: I've read from some more die-hard lakers fans that Davis got one successful lob from Schroeder on a grand total of two attempts. That's not the best way to use your best player.

It's no coincidence that Davis's two best seasons in the league have come when he was playing with Rondo, who is a guy that is absolutely going to get you the ball in the best position for you to score.

Now, is the swap to the greater detriment of their team? Maybe. I think the bigger problem is that Davis continues to want to play like a wing when he clearly isn't at his best when doing so.

I hope that the Lakers are worse with Rondo because I want the Lakers to lose basketball games, but I see no reason to suspect Davis will be worse with Rondo, and there are many worse things than having your backup point guard complement your best player.

To be fair he's still one of the league's better post scorers even with a less than ideal moveset there:

https://youtu.be/bDrxk64UTPU?t=271