Report: Schroder Signs With Celts

[BudweiserCeltic]

Speaking of young underperforming PFs what is happening with Markkanen. Can we low-ball our way into a rotation ready stretch 4?

There is this from Bleacher Report:

[Fischer] Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947075-inside-chicago-bulls-85-million-demar-derozan-deal-and-markkanen-freeze-out

Not sure I want Markkanen at $15M/yr, but interesting that the Cs were mentioned. Also, at the end of the article (and since this is a Schroder thread), there was this...whatever it means:

The Celtics are exploring trade opportunities for point guard Kris Dunn and forward Bruno Fernando before concluding conversations with free agent Dennis Schroder.

I’m skeptical of that report.  We’d presumably need to trade Smart.

I guess we can go crazy and sign both Schroder and Markannen.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter
Markannen / (Tatum) / Parker
Tatum / Nesmith
Brown / Richardson / Romeo
Schroder/ Pritchard

Upside?

It may be difficult, but I think there's wiggle room on to trading without sending Smart. One key would be to wait about 20 more days so that Dunn/Bruno can be traded in an aggregated trade. The second key may be for Chicago to have enough cap space to not go over the cap with what we send them (not sure if their trades are finalized or when they'll be, so that can play into things). The third key would be for the Celtics to be considered "non-tax" team after the trade.

Depending on the length, and assuming $15M per (and not less rounded up or more rounded down), starting salary could be anywhere between $13,392,857 and  $13,888,889.

The question then is how much salary can we send (probably about $9.5M give or take) to still be considered a non-tax team, so that contract fits within the salary plus $5,000,000 and at the same time not be too much that Chicago can't absorb it.

For example, sending Dunn, Williams, and Carlsen and declining the Parker option could be a possibility. Maybe... not entirely certain if this is possible, but I think it could be.

Celtics could trade Richardson and Dunn for Markkanen today for his reported $15 mil/year if Chicago wanted to take those two back.  Richardson is enough for Markkanen’s salary, so there’s no need for aggregation math.  Dunn just makes the hard cap dollars work.

I still prefer avoiding the hard cap for the 10% chance Beal becomes available at the deadline.

By that point I'm not sure if we're sending too much salary with Richardson, so it may fail on the Bulls end. But certainly, that's something I also looked into. To that end, same thing would happen with Smart, so I think some other moves need to occur or other teams involved.

Don't know.

[JBcat]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

We are very fortunate to get Schroder for this price whether that’s due to Brad being savvy or just a little lucky with the fallout in LA.  Losing out on Fournier having his bird rights and seeing what he ultimately signed for with the Knicks did merit some criticism IMO.  We could actually have both if we are willing to go deep in the tax.  This is a good rebound back in free agency though.

For Fournier. For Evan Fournier. Deep into the luxury tax. For Evan Fournier.

Yeh I'ma hard pass on that one chief.

Well chief, you are looking at it the wrong way IMO. As others have pointed out including the well respected Roy here on this site, having Fournier’s tradeable contract gives you another asset to use in a big trade later down the line for a star player.  This whole trying to create cap space or sign and trade route for a star next offseason a lot of things can go wrong.

So chief, it’s not about the prize of Fournier who in his own right is a very good player, it’s losing the asset where it seemed we didn’t have to go much further to match the Knicks. That is what made a lot of people including Roy as I pointed out upset.

Fair call. I need to stop cherry picking what I'm reading :] Clearly don't have the full picture!

♥

No worries:)  We all want the same thing, another championship.

[Kiorrik]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

We are very fortunate to get Schroder for this price whether that’s due to Brad being savvy or just a little lucky with the fallout in LA.  Losing out on Fournier having his bird rights and seeing what he ultimately signed for with the Knicks did merit some criticism IMO.  We could actually have both if we are willing to go deep in the tax.  This is a good rebound back in free agency though.

For Fournier. For Evan Fournier. Deep into the luxury tax. For Evan Fournier.

Yeh I'ma hard pass on that one chief.

Well chief, you are looking at it the wrong way IMO. As others have pointed out including the well respected Roy here on this site, having Fournier’s tradeable contract gives you another asset to use in a big trade later down the line for a star player.  This whole trying to create cap space or sign and trade route for a star next offseason a lot of things can go wrong.

So chief, it’s not about the prize of Fournier who in his own right is a very good player, it’s losing the asset where it seemed we didn’t have to go much further to match the Knicks. That is what made a lot of people including Roy as I pointed out upset.

Fair call. I need to stop cherry picking what I'm reading :] Clearly don't have the full picture!

♥

No worries:)  We all want the same thing, another championship.

No I want 4.

[Celtics2021]

Speaking of young underperforming PFs what is happening with Markkanen. Can we low-ball our way into a rotation ready stretch 4?

There is this from Bleacher Report:

[Fischer] Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947075-inside-chicago-bulls-85-million-demar-derozan-deal-and-markkanen-freeze-out

Not sure I want Markkanen at $15M/yr, but interesting that the Cs were mentioned. Also, at the end of the article (and since this is a Schroder thread), there was this...whatever it means:

The Celtics are exploring trade opportunities for point guard Kris Dunn and forward Bruno Fernando before concluding conversations with free agent Dennis Schroder.

I’m skeptical of that report.  We’d presumably need to trade Smart.

I guess we can go crazy and sign both Schroder and Markannen.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter
Markannen / (Tatum) / Parker
Tatum / Nesmith
Brown / Richardson / Romeo
Schroder/ Pritchard

Upside?

It may be difficult, but I think there's wiggle room on to trading without sending Smart. One key would be to wait about 20 more days so that Dunn/Bruno can be traded in an aggregated trade. The second key may be for Chicago to have enough cap space to not go over the cap with what we send them (not sure if their trades are finalized or when they'll be, so that can play into things). The third key would be for the Celtics to be considered "non-tax" team after the trade.

Depending on the length, and assuming $15M per (and not less rounded up or more rounded down), starting salary could be anywhere between $13,392,857 and  $13,888,889.

The question then is how much salary can we send (probably about $9.5M give or take) to still be considered a non-tax team, so that contract fits within the salary plus $5,000,000 and at the same time not be too much that Chicago can't absorb it.

For example, sending Dunn, Williams, and Carlsen and declining the Parker option could be a possibility. Maybe... not entirely certain if this is possible, but I think it could be.

Celtics could trade Richardson and Dunn for Markkanen today for his reported $15 mil/year if Chicago wanted to take those two back.  Richardson is enough for Markkanen’s salary, so there’s no need for aggregation math.  Dunn just makes the hard cap dollars work.

I still prefer avoiding the hard cap for the 10% chance Beal becomes available at the deadline.

By that point I'm not sure if we're sending too much salary with Richardson, so it may fail on the Bulls end. But certainly, that's something I also looked into. To that end, same thing would happen with Smart, so I think some other moves need to occur or other teams involved.

Don't know.

It’d work.  Markkanen can take back Richardson, and their trade exception from Theis works for Dunn.  Smart actually wouldn’t work unless the deal became more complicated.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I like Parker for his offensive spark off the bench.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Speaking of young underperforming PFs what is happening with Markkanen. Can we low-ball our way into a rotation ready stretch 4?

There is this from Bleacher Report:

[Fischer] Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947075-inside-chicago-bulls-85-million-demar-derozan-deal-and-markkanen-freeze-out

Not sure I want Markkanen at $15M/yr, but interesting that the Cs were mentioned. Also, at the end of the article (and since this is a Schroder thread), there was this...whatever it means:

The Celtics are exploring trade opportunities for point guard Kris Dunn and forward Bruno Fernando before concluding conversations with free agent Dennis Schroder.

I’m skeptical of that report.  We’d presumably need to trade Smart.

I guess we can go crazy and sign both Schroder and Markannen.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter
Markannen / (Tatum) / Parker
Tatum / Nesmith
Brown / Richardson / Romeo
Schroder/ Pritchard

Upside?

It may be difficult, but I think there's wiggle room on to trading without sending Smart. One key would be to wait about 20 more days so that Dunn/Bruno can be traded in an aggregated trade. The second key may be for Chicago to have enough cap space to not go over the cap with what we send them (not sure if their trades are finalized or when they'll be, so that can play into things). The third key would be for the Celtics to be considered "non-tax" team after the trade.

Depending on the length, and assuming $15M per (and not less rounded up or more rounded down), starting salary could be anywhere between $13,392,857 and  $13,888,889.

The question then is how much salary can we send (probably about $9.5M give or take) to still be considered a non-tax team, so that contract fits within the salary plus $5,000,000 and at the same time not be too much that Chicago can't absorb it.

For example, sending Dunn, Williams, and Carlsen and declining the Parker option could be a possibility. Maybe... not entirely certain if this is possible, but I think it could be.

Celtics could trade Richardson and Dunn for Markkanen today for his reported $15 mil/year if Chicago wanted to take those two back.  Richardson is enough for Markkanen’s salary, so there’s no need for aggregation math.  Dunn just makes the hard cap dollars work.

I still prefer avoiding the hard cap for the 10% chance Beal becomes available at the deadline.

By that point I'm not sure if we're sending too much salary with Richardson, so it may fail on the Bulls end. But certainly, that's something I also looked into. To that end, same thing would happen with Smart, so I think some other moves need to occur or other teams involved.

Don't know.

It’d work.  Markkanen can take back Richardson, and their trade exception from Theis works for Dunn.  Smart actually wouldn’t work unless the deal became more complicated.

That's cool then. Just been trying to figure out WHY the Bulls may need cap space or a TPE to make it happen (was using some trade checkers to get some sort of idea of what was possible, and that's one of the reasons it told me it would fail). Whatever, the point is we may have options.

[liam]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I like Parker for his offensive spark off the bench.

Over who?

[BudweiserCeltic]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I like Parker for his offensive spark off the bench.

I'm a fan of him in that role as well. Very concerned about injury history, but I have no problem with how he plays in his limited role as it is.

[Roy H.]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I like Parker for his offensive spark off the bench.

Over who?

Grant Williams and Bruno Fernando?

[Surferdad]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I like Parker for his offensive spark off the bench.

I like it and suggested it yesterday.  Look at the lack of depth at PF in the depth chart above.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I like Parker for his offensive spark off the bench.

Over who?

Grant Williams and Bruno Fernando?

Totally. Jabari does something very well (score); those two don't do anything very well.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I like Parker for his offensive spark off the bench.

I like it and suggested it yesterday.  Look at the lack of depth at PF in the depth chart above.

Plus, one of the team's biggest bench weaknesses last season was lack of scoring. Parker can certainly help in that department.

[tenn_smoothie]

Feel like Schroder can destroy our locker room and he's not worth the risk. We aren't going anywhere with or without him this season so why sign him when he could do more harm than good?

Also agreed - why sign this guy when he is only using this season to go for bigger money next summer.
That court time needs to go towards developing Pritchard, anyway.
Was this done simply to placate an angry fan base ?

Every move should be made with its potential impact on building a title contender, not a second round playoff team.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Feel like Schroder can destroy our locker room and he's not worth the risk. We aren't going anywhere with or without him this season so why sign him when honestly he could do more harm than good?

Also agreed - why sign this guy when he is only using this season to go for bigger money next summer.
That court time needs to go towards developing Pritchard, anyway.
Was this done simply to placate an angry fan base ?

Every move should be made with its potential impact on building a title contender, not a second round playoff team.

Or... you know... compete for another year, something the actual players may appreciate.

[Kiorrik]

Feel like Schroder can destroy our locker room and he's not worth the risk. We aren't going anywhere with or without him this season so why sign him when honestly he could do more harm than good?

Also agreed - why sign this guy when he is only using this season to go for bigger money next summer.
That court time needs to go towards developing Pritchard, anyway.
Was this done simply to placate an angry fan base ?

Every move should be made with its potential impact on building a title contender, not a second round playoff team.

Or... you know... compete for another year, something the actual players may appreciate.

Besides; https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1425235421118832645?s=20

Keith Smith;

Per a source: Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role. Celtics made it clear that Ime Udoka will evaluate roles and minutes. Also, this will be Udoka's decision only. The front office, led by Brad Stevens, will not get involved in PT decisions.

Dunno about you, but I read this as "I won't be causing issues".

You use a player that has something to prove to get some real good value for money. The year after, you see if he wants to resign or not.