Report: Schroder Signs With Celts

[Ogaju]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

Well taller in and of itself makes him not Kemba Walker.  He also doesn't smile.

lol TP, NG.

[gouki88]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

Schroder is not really like Kemba at all on defence. He was a strong positive on defence in OKC, stands at 6'3 and has a 6'7 wingspan. He's more explosive athletically, worse at shooting (and scoring in general) and they're similar level passers.

Was Kemba actually a bad fit? Our offence was humming before he got hurt. He was just never available. He also cost almost $30 million more than Schroder will

[hpantazo]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

Schroder is not really like Kemba at all on defence. He was a strong positive on defence in OKC, stands at 6'3 and has a 6'7 wingspan. He's more explosive athletically, worse at shooting (and scoring in general) and they're similar level passers.

Was Kemba actually a bad fit? Our offence was humming before he got hurt. He was just never available. He also cost almost $30 million more than Schroder will

Yeah, also, Kemba's once healthy knees are not walking through that door. Not here or NY or anywhere else.

[jpotter33]

Great pickup, especially at that price. We’ve somewhat salvaged an otherwise subpar offseason in what is essentially a gap year for us. At least we have an argument that we’re borderline contenders now, with a legit chance of being a serious contender if Tatum and Brown take another step, the young guys continue their development (which summer league seems to be suggesting), and the pieces fit decently well.

The starting backcourt competition is going to be really interesting. With Nesmith lighting up summer league with his shooting in addition to his play at the end of the year, I think he has a legit chance to start at the 2. All four of Marcus, Schroeder, Nesmith, and Richardson have a chance to start. I could be talked into any of that grouping, but I’d prefer Smart and Richardson if his shooting is where it used to be, Nesmith if not purely for the floor spacing. Let Schroeder take more of a primary focus offensively off the bench.

Seems like Ime agrees about Smart, too. I think Ime will be able to help Smart stay more in his role and be a quality facilitator.

https://twitter.com/ASherrodblakely/status/1425249071321653248

[Kiorrik]

Actually still can't believe we got him for 3 peanuts and some belly button lint.

This mean we're actually a place people want to play for now?

What's up with next year? Can we extend/resign him if he fits in perfectly?

Or is he on a redeem-tour this year?

If so, that's fine too. We could do with some people with chips on their shoulder.

[radiohead]

I'm thrilled with this.

Now go get Markannen and compete, dang it.

Let’s do it!

[radiohead]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1425231270804660224

Someone needs to tell him to change his picture here. He’s wearing Hondo’s number!

[Atzar]

Grabbing a viable starter/sixth man for $6M is a heist.  Great signing, especially given our cap situation. 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The price point makes this signing a A+. This is great. Good player for that price is a steal.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Speaking of young underperforming PFs what is happening with Markkanen. Can we low-ball our way into a rotation ready stretch 4?

There is this from Bleacher Report:

[Fischer] Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947075-inside-chicago-bulls-85-million-demar-derozan-deal-and-markkanen-freeze-out

Not sure I want Markkanen at $15M/yr, but interesting that the Cs were mentioned. Also, at the end of the article (and since this is a Schroder thread), there was this...whatever it means:

The Celtics are exploring trade opportunities for point guard Kris Dunn and forward Bruno Fernando before concluding conversations with free agent Dennis Schroder.

I’m skeptical of that report.  We’d presumably need to trade Smart.

I guess we can go crazy and sign both Schroder and Markannen.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter
Markannen / (Tatum) / Parker
Tatum / Nesmith
Brown / Richardson / Romeo
Schroder/ Pritchard

Upside?

It may be difficult, but I think there's wiggle room on to trading without sending Smart. One key would be to wait about 20 more days so that Dunn/Bruno can be traded in an aggregated trade. The second key may be for Chicago to have enough cap space to not go over the cap with what we send them (not sure if their trades are finalized or when they'll be, so that can play into things). The third key would be for the Celtics to be considered "non-tax" team after the trade.

Depending on the length, and assuming $15M per (and not less rounded up or more rounded down), starting salary could be anywhere between $13,392,857 and  $13,888,889.

The question then is how much salary can we send (probably about $9.5M give or take) to still be considered a non-tax team, so that contract fits within the salary plus $5,000,000 and at the same time not be too much that Chicago can't absorb it.

For example, sending Dunn, Williams, and Carlsen and declining the Parker option could be a possibility. Maybe... not entirely certain if this is possible, but I think it could be.

A third team involved could help things.

[JBcat]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

We are very fortunate to get Schroder for this price whether that’s due to Brad being savvy or just a little lucky with the fallout in LA.  Losing out on Fournier having his bird rights and seeing what he ultimately signed for with the Knicks did merit some criticism IMO.  We could actually have both if we are willing to go deep in the tax.  This is a good rebound back in free agency though.

For Fournier. For Evan Fournier. Deep into the luxury tax. For Evan Fournier.

Yeh I'ma hard pass on that one chief.

Well chief, you are looking at it the wrong way IMO. As others have pointed out including the well respected Roy here on this site, having Fournier’s tradeable contract gives you another asset to use in a big trade later down the line for a star player.  This whole trying to create cap space or sign and trade route for a star next offseason a lot of things can go wrong.

So chief, it’s not about the prize of Fournier who in his own right is a very good player, it’s losing the asset where it seemed we didn’t have to go much further to match the Knicks. That is what made a lot of people including Roy as I pointed out upset.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The price point makes this signing a A+. This is great. Good player for that price is a steal.

[Kuberski33]

With all the overpays out there in free agency, this, on paper, is very shrewd business by Brad. The only way it won't be is if Schroder focuses only on playing for his next deal at the expense of moving the ball.

[Celtics2021]

Speaking of young underperforming PFs what is happening with Markkanen. Can we low-ball our way into a rotation ready stretch 4?

There is this from Bleacher Report:

[Fischer] Dallas, New Orleans, Boston, and Minnesota have all shown interest in signing Markkanen to deals worth around $15 million in average annual value, sources said, but the Bulls are seeking a first-round pick in exchange for helping facilitate the transaction.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947075-inside-chicago-bulls-85-million-demar-derozan-deal-and-markkanen-freeze-out

Not sure I want Markkanen at $15M/yr, but interesting that the Cs were mentioned. Also, at the end of the article (and since this is a Schroder thread), there was this...whatever it means:

The Celtics are exploring trade opportunities for point guard Kris Dunn and forward Bruno Fernando before concluding conversations with free agent Dennis Schroder.

I’m skeptical of that report.  We’d presumably need to trade Smart.

I guess we can go crazy and sign both Schroder and Markannen.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter
Markannen / (Tatum) / Parker
Tatum / Nesmith
Brown / Richardson / Romeo
Schroder/ Pritchard

Upside?

It may be difficult, but I think there's wiggle room on to trading without sending Smart. One key would be to wait about 20 more days so that Dunn/Bruno can be traded in an aggregated trade. The second key may be for Chicago to have enough cap space to not go over the cap with what we send them (not sure if their trades are finalized or when they'll be, so that can play into things). The third key would be for the Celtics to be considered "non-tax" team after the trade.

Depending on the length, and assuming $15M per (and not less rounded up or more rounded down), starting salary could be anywhere between $13,392,857 and  $13,888,889.

The question then is how much salary can we send (probably about $9.5M give or take) to still be considered a non-tax team, so that contract fits within the salary plus $5,000,000 and at the same time not be too much that Chicago can't absorb it.

For example, sending Dunn, Williams, and Carlsen and declining the Parker option could be a possibility. Maybe... not entirely certain if this is possible, but I think it could be.

Celtics could trade Richardson and Dunn for Markkanen today for his reported $15 mil/year if Chicago wanted to take those two back.  Richardson is enough for Markkanen’s salary, so there’s no need for aggregation math.  Dunn just makes the hard cap dollars work.

I still prefer avoiding the hard cap for the 10% chance Beal becomes available at the deadline.

[Kiorrik]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

We are very fortunate to get Schroder for this price whether that’s due to Brad being savvy or just a little lucky with the fallout in LA.  Losing out on Fournier having his bird rights and seeing what he ultimately signed for with the Knicks did merit some criticism IMO.  We could actually have both if we are willing to go deep in the tax.  This is a good rebound back in free agency though.

For Fournier. For Evan Fournier. Deep into the luxury tax. For Evan Fournier.

Yeh I'ma hard pass on that one chief.

Well chief, you are looking at it the wrong way IMO. As others have pointed out including the well respected Roy here on this site, having Fournier’s tradeable contract gives you another asset to use in a big trade later down the line for a star player.  This whole trying to create cap space or sign and trade route for a star next offseason a lot of things can go wrong.

So chief, it’s not about the prize of Fournier who in his own right is a very good player, it’s losing the asset where it seemed we didn’t have to go much further to match the Knicks. That is what made a lot of people including Roy as I pointed out upset.

Fair call. I need to stop cherry picking what I'm reading :] Clearly don't have the full picture!

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