Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension

[jpotter33]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.

True. Makes more sense to do it that way, too, as it means losing fewer pieces in the process, primarily Timelord who we’d have to cut if we go the free agency route to have the necessary room.

[Kuberski33]

Even if the C's think that deal will end up being tradeable its still risky. Even if you think his value is similar to Fournier who got 19 per a year over 3 and thus 17 over 4 for Smart is a "good deal" theres still the chance that changes over the next year. He could get hurt, he could suffer more defensive or shooting regression. Still I feel better that the rumors offer is 4/68 rather than the 4/77 some are reporting.

Smart always gets hurt.  And if he plays in a way that reduces his chances of getting hurt, he's not the same Smart.  His career has already peaked. It's going to be downhill from here.

[Tr1boy]

I have a feeling Marcus will pass on the offer. No reason other than he over estimates his value.

He will take it

I doubt he will get a better offer in the open market

[Neurotic Guy]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.

True. Makes more sense to do it that way, too, as it means losing fewer pieces in the process, primarily Timelord who we’d have to cut if we go the free agency route to have the necessary room.

This has to be a discussion Smart and his agent are having.  He signs with Boston and Brad Stevens determines where he plays.  My guess is that the freedom to determine his own destination is worth a fair amount to Smart.  Maybe worth the risk of passing up a bird in the hand.

[Jvalin]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.

Assuming the Wizards move on from Beal, I bet they'll go into full rebuild mode. Why would a tanking/rebuilding team want Smart? In any case, we wouldn't need Smart's salary to make the deal work. Here are the numbers:

Beal's max will start at $40,525,450 (=35% of the cap).

Horford's expiring ($26,500,000) + Romeo ($5,634,257) + BOS 2022 first (let's say #16 once again: $3,311,040) would be more than enough salary to net us Beal via a sign and trade. Fwiw, we'd have to wait 30 days till after we sign our rookie in order to finalize the trade.

[LilRip]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.

Assuming the Wizards move on from Beal, I bet they'll go into full rebuild mode. Why would a tanking/rebuilding team want Smart? In any case, we wouldn't need Smart's salary to make the deal work. Here are the numbers:

Beal's max will start at $40,525,450 (=35% of the cap).

Horford's expiring ($26,500,000) + Romeo ($5,634,257) + BOS 2022 first (let's say #16 once again: $3,311,040) would be more than enough salary to net us Beal via a sign and trade. Fwiw, we'd have to wait 30 days till after we sign our rookie in order to finalize the trade.

So you’re saying we can have a lineup of…
Smart-Beal-Brown-Tatum-Timelord backed up by a bench of Pritchard-Nesmith-Vet Min x2?

That looks like a championship-level starting lineup on paper!

[Jvalin]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.

Assuming the Wizards move on from Beal, I bet they'll go into full rebuild mode. Why would a tanking/rebuilding team want Smart? In any case, we wouldn't need Smart's salary to make the deal work. Here are the numbers:

Beal's max will start at $40,525,450 (=35% of the cap).

Horford's expiring ($26,500,000) + Romeo ($5,634,257) + BOS 2022 first (let's say #16 once again: $3,311,040) would be more than enough salary to net us Beal via a sign and trade. Fwiw, we'd have to wait 30 days till after we sign our rookie in order to finalize the trade.

So you’re saying we can have a lineup of…
Smart-Beal-Brown-Tatum-Timelord backed up by a bench of Pritchard-Nesmith-Vet Min x2?

That looks like a championship-level starting lineup on paper!

We've been assuming that our #1 goal is to sign Beal via cap space. In fact, I bet we'd rather acquire him via a sign and trade. Problem is, we'd become hard capped at the apron. Had we re-signed Fournier for $19.5 mil/year, it would have been way more difficult to finalize a sign and trade for Beal. We'd either have to force the Wiz to take Fournier, or we'd have to let both Smart and Timelord walk. Perhaps this is part of the reason why we were unwilling to match NY's offer. Again, if the Wiz move on from Beal, chances are they'll go into full rebuild mode. Don't see why a tanking/rebuilding team would be interested in Fournier.

[pearljammer10]

Why are we offering him that. Yuck.

[PAOBoston]

What a disaster of a deal lol. Hope we luck out and he declined that.

[Wretch]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.

True. Makes more sense to do it that way, too, as it means losing fewer pieces in the process, primarily Timelord who we’d have to cut if we go the free agency route to have the necessary room.

This has to be a discussion Smart and his agent are having.  He signs with Boston and Brad Stevens determines where he plays.  My guess is that the freedom to determine his own destination is worth a fair amount to Smart.  Maybe worth the risk of passing up a bird in the hand.

The problem with this logic is not signing effectively forces the Celtics to trade Smart now while he has trade value.  I could see a team like GS or the Mavericks wanting him since their best backcourt players aren't exactly known for their defense.

If Beal is the end game why not trade Smart for Wiseman or Kiminga to get a young high upside player on a rookie contract that WAS may want as part of a rebuild Instead of a player like Smart.

I'm not certain BOS wants to trade Smart as part of a Beal trade. I think they want to use Horford, Richardson and pieces for that.

[Birdman]

Sign and trade be good..sign Schroeder, then maybe a trade for Collins

[TDurden]

This is stupid, he can not shoot, can not pay your role players before acquiring your stars, if this happens I wish brand had gone to Indiana.

Yep.  You can draft a guard who plays good d, but can't drive or shoot every year in the late first round or early second.  The Celtic's have been paying a huge premium for one of the least rare skillsets in basketball since they drafted Smart.

[Alleyoopster]

Wish everyone would start getting realistic about Boston acquiring Beal. Washington is not going to trade him away. First, he'll be able to get the most money from them in a max contract. Secondly, they picked up a couple good players in their recent trade wiith LA; Kuzma, Harrell and 22nd pick Isaiah Jackson. (I don't have a clue how good Jackson will be.)


Add to this, they signed Carmelo Anthony, Kent Bazemore and Spencer Dinwittie (sign in trade from the Nets).

My feeling is Washington will be a lot better than most in this group think barring major injuries.

As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.   

[TheBig3]

As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

He's 27! He's not that old for a 4 year contract, not sure why you think he's injury prone?

[Roy H.]

Wish everyone would start getting realistic about Boston acquiring Beal. Washington is not going to trade him away. First, he'll be able to get the most money from them in a max contract. Secondly, they picked up a couple good players in their recent trade wiith LA; Kuzma, Harrell and 22nd pick Isaiah Jackson. (I don't have a clue how good Jackson will be.)


Add to this, they signed Carmelo Anthony, Kent Bazemore and Spencer Dinwittie (sign in trade from the Nets).

My feeling is Washington will be a lot better than most in this group think barring major injuries.

As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

I thought the Lakers signed Carmelo and Bazemore?