Does adding Josh Richardson signal the end of Marcus Smart in Boston?

[flybono]

Both packing their bags would be refreshing

[droopdog7]

Nm

[LilRip]

A lot of people seem to think Smart is gone.  Why is that?

Edit: Do we not like Smart anymore, for some reason?

I think Smart’s gone next year. I’m no cap expert so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like Brad is playing for FA 2022 and to do so, we can’t resign Smart next year. Obviously, we can’t sign Fournier to a long term deal this offseason either.

[Celtics2021]

A lot of people seem to think Smart is gone.  Why is that?

Edit: Do we not like Smart anymore, for some reason?

I think Smart’s gone next year. I’m no cap expert so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like Brad is playing for FA 2022 and to do so, we can’t resign Smart next year. Obviously, we can’t sign Fournier to a long term deal this offseason either.

I think people are reading too much into the fact that the Celtics just acquired some expiring contracts.  After the draft, Stevens talked about getting veterans who played with an edge.  Josh Richardson is such a player.  Yes, he’s on an expiring deal, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was acquired because he was on such a contract.  He was acquired because he fit a role and fit into the Hayward trade exception and didn’t cost more to acquire than the Celtics wanted to pay.

I think the Fournier hesitancy is due to the amount he’s seeking rather than the years.  I think they’d give him $15M/year for multiple years.

[PAOBoston]

A lot of people seem to think Smart is gone.  Why is that?

Edit: Do we not like Smart anymore, for some reason?

I think Smart’s gone next year. I’m no cap expert so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like Brad is playing for FA 2022 and to do so, we can’t resign Smart next year. Obviously, we can’t sign Fournier to a long term deal this offseason either.

I think people are reading too much into the fact that the Celtics just acquired some expiring contracts.  After the draft, Stevens talked about getting veterans who played with an edge.  Josh Richardson is such a player.  Yes, he’s on an expiring deal, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was acquired because he was on such a contract.  He was acquired because he fit a role and fit into the Hayward trade exception and didn’t cost more to acquire than the Celtics wanted to pay.

I think the Fournier hesitancy is due to the amount he’s seeking rather than the years.  I think they’d give him $15M/year for multiple years.

Yeah sure they would for $15 mil per. But that was never realistic. They traded for him fully knowing he was going to to cost $18-20 mil per. They even said they traded for him with the intention of keeping him long let term. They basically wasted multiple 2 round picks and a massive chunk of the Hayward TPE of they are not going to re-sign him. It’s bad news for the team and sends a terrible message to fans. The exodus of talent the last few years due to financial constraints is terrifying (Rozier, Morris, Horford, Hayward, now Fournier). The Cs are going in reverse.

[Celtics2021]

A lot of people seem to think Smart is gone.  Why is that?

Edit: Do we not like Smart anymore, for some reason?

I think Smart’s gone next year. I’m no cap expert so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like Brad is playing for FA 2022 and to do so, we can’t resign Smart next year. Obviously, we can’t sign Fournier to a long term deal this offseason either.

I think people are reading too much into the fact that the Celtics just acquired some expiring contracts.  After the draft, Stevens talked about getting veterans who played with an edge.  Josh Richardson is such a player.  Yes, he’s on an expiring deal, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was acquired because he was on such a contract.  He was acquired because he fit a role and fit into the Hayward trade exception and didn’t cost more to acquire than the Celtics wanted to pay.

I think the Fournier hesitancy is due to the amount he’s seeking rather than the years.  I think they’d give him $15M/year for multiple years.

Yeah sure they would for $15 mil per. But that was never realistic. They traded for him fully knowing he was going to to cost $18-20 mil per. They even said they traded for him with the intention of keeping him long let term. They basically wasted multiple 2 round picks and a massive chunk of the Hayward TPE of they are not going to re-sign him. It’s bad news for the team and sends a terrible message to fans. The exodus of talent the last few years due to financial constraints is terrifying (Rozier, Morris, Horford, Hayward, now Fournier). The Cs are going in reverse.

It remains to be seen if the market for Fournier is $20 million a year like he hopes it is.

[colincb]

I've read any number of things saying NBA insiders didn't think Fournier would not get as much money as he was making on his old contract.

As far as the money and the TPE go, you don't worry about sunk costs. IOW, if you don't think he's worth 4/80, you don't pay it just because you used the TPE. He certainly didn't earn it with his play here, and if you're looking to play for a contender, you don't play for James Dolan.

[PAOBoston]

A lot of people seem to think Smart is gone.  Why is that?

Edit: Do we not like Smart anymore, for some reason?

I think Smart’s gone next year. I’m no cap expert so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like Brad is playing for FA 2022 and to do so, we can’t resign Smart next year. Obviously, we can’t sign Fournier to a long term deal this offseason either.

I think people are reading too much into the fact that the Celtics just acquired some expiring contracts.  After the draft, Stevens talked about getting veterans who played with an edge.  Josh Richardson is such a player.  Yes, he’s on an expiring deal, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was acquired because he was on such a contract.  He was acquired because he fit a role and fit into the Hayward trade exception and didn’t cost more to acquire than the Celtics wanted to pay.

I think the Fournier hesitancy is due to the amount he’s seeking rather than the years.  I think they’d give him $15M/year for multiple years.

Yeah sure they would for $15 mil per. But that was never realistic. They traded for him fully knowing he was going to to cost $18-20 mil per. They even said they traded for him with the intention of keeping him long let term. They basically wasted multiple 2 round picks and a massive chunk of the Hayward TPE of they are not going to re-sign him. It’s bad news for the team and sends a terrible message to fans. The exodus of talent the last few years due to financial constraints is terrifying (Rozier, Morris, Horford, Hayward, now Fournier). The Cs are going in reverse.

It remains to be seen if the market for Fournier is $20 million a year like he hopes it is.

Considering FA starts tomorrow night, at this point, they have a pretty good sense of what it is going to cost, hence the Richardson deal.

[Ed Monix]

I know most people would say no but I would love a Smart + picks to Pistons for Killian Hayes.

Hayes is on a rookie scale contract, he's the playmaker we need, he can start off the bench behind Dunn and or Prichard, where he doesn't have pressure on him like Detroit.

For the Pistons, Smart would be great next to Cade Cunningham and Smart has always seemed to me like a Detroit guy, hard nosed blue collar defensive player.

[86MaxwellSmart]

at this point, do a S&T to get Fournier to whatever team and get another TPE if possible.

[Ed Monix]

Apparently Fournier agent wants a minimum of 80 million over 4 years, he's not worth that. Perhaps it's his play for France in the Olympics but I believe his original price gauged by experts was 17-18 million.

Fournier is about to turn 29 in October, with the money he'd want you are in the Jaylen Brown range. For reference here are players that would be earning less:


- Randle        19.8 Million
- LaVine         19.5
- Bogdanovic  18.5 (Utah)
- Sabonis       18.5
- Bogdanovic  18.0 (Atlanta)
- Rozier          17.9
- Turner         17.5
- LeVert         17.5
- Isaac           17.4

at this point, do a S&T to get Fournier to whatever team and get another TPE if possible.

The teams interested in Fournier all have enough cap space to sign him as a free agent.

[Moranis]

ESPN said that they thought a multi-year contract for Fournier should start at 14-16 million.  So that is probably somewhere around 65-70 million over 4 years (with annual bumps). 

[PAOBoston]

ESPN said that they thought a multi-year contract for Fournier should start at 14-16 million.  So that is probably somewhere around 65-70 million over 4 years (with annual bumps).

At this point, if he’s asking for 80 mil, it’s likely he has a team already willing to give it to him ( the Knicks).

[RodyTur10]

A lot of people seem to think Smart is gone.  Why is that?

Edit: Do we not like Smart anymore, for some reason?

I think Smart’s gone next year. I’m no cap expert so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like Brad is playing for FA 2022 and to do so, we can’t resign Smart next year. Obviously, we can’t sign Fournier to a long term deal this offseason either.

I think people are reading too much into the fact that the Celtics just acquired some expiring contracts.  After the draft, Stevens talked about getting veterans who played with an edge.  Josh Richardson is such a player.  Yes, he’s on an expiring deal, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was acquired because he was on such a contract.  He was acquired because he fit a role and fit into the Hayward trade exception and didn’t cost more to acquire than the Celtics wanted to pay.

I think the Fournier hesitancy is due to the amount he’s seeking rather than the years.  I think they’d give him $15M/year for multiple years.

Yeah sure they would for $15 mil per. But that was never realistic. They traded for him fully knowing he was going to to cost $18-20 mil per. They even said they traded for him with the intention of keeping him long let term. They basically wasted multiple 2 round picks and a massive chunk of the Hayward TPE of they are not going to re-sign him. It’s bad news for the team and sends a terrible message to fans. The exodus of talent the last few years due to financial constraints is terrifying (Rozier, Morris, Horford, Hayward, now Fournier). The Cs are going in reverse.

Don't forget Kanter and Theis.
While Walker and Thompson also have partly been traded for financial purposes.

[Bostonborn62]

 Re: Does adding Josh Richardson signal the end of Marcus Smart in Boston?

I hope so.