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Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2021, 09:05:48 PM »

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Last bit of the Hayward exception perhaps?  Surprising!
He seems redundant to our roster to my untrained eye. You think another move is coming?

I think Fournier won’t be sticking around.
That sounds likely. Richardson is a more mobile 2 than Fournier, which allows Brown to play SF (which I am a fan of).

Could still well be another move, but a 5 of Smart-Richardson-Brown-Tatum-Horford is pretty dang good on defence

Start two guards who are below average shooters? I dunno.

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2021, 09:07:06 PM »

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With the Celtics now above the tax line and only a few million below the apron, a sign-and-trade is highly unlikely.  There’s just not the flexibility without moving a large salary.

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2021, 09:09:06 PM »

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With the Celtics now above the tax line and only a few million below the apron, a sign-and-trade is highly unlikely.  There’s just not the flexibility without moving a large salary.

Most likely outcome would seem to be they use the 6 million taxpayer exception and call it a day, or close too it. Rumors that Dunn could be moved again as well.

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2021, 09:12:29 PM »

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With the Celtics now above the tax line and only a few million below the apron, a sign-and-trade is highly unlikely.  There’s just not the flexibility without moving a large salary.

Most likely outcome would seem to be they use the 6 million taxpayer exception and call it a day, or close too it. Rumors that Dunn could be moved again as well.

I see them trying to find someone to move Carsen and Fernando to in order to get back under the tax line, signing Yam to a minimum deal, and keeping a roster spot open for a buyout later in the year.

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2021, 09:12:51 PM »

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The trade is a brilliant bit of salary cap maneuvering by the Celtics. Boston had roughly $11 million left on the trade exception it generated when it dealt Gordon Hayward to Charlotte last offseason. Richardson's $11.6 million salary for next season would not have fit into that exception. However, as the league year has not yet flipped, Boston can trade for him at his $10.8 million 2020-21 salary and therefore fit him into the exception. According to ESPN's Bobby Marks, that is how the Celtics are completing this trade.

The Celtics made another trade earlier Friday to clear room underneath the tax line for this one. They swapped Tristan Thompson for Kris Dunn, and in acquiring Richardson, they've essentially jumped back up to the tax line while replacing free agent Evan Fournier. That might seem insignificant now, but it has enormous ramifications for next offseason. Richardson's contract is expiring. Fournier will surely command a multi-year deal this offseason. Now Boston has a number of veterans on expiring deals, and with Richardson seemingly filling Fournier's spot in the rotation, they are in position to create a significant amount of cap space.

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2021, 09:14:13 PM »

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Love this. Always been a big fan of Richardson. I'm hoping to see him start alongside Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Timelord/Horford, with Dunn, Nesmith, FA, Parker, and Timelord/Horford off the bench. That's a super-switchy, elite-level defensive team with offensive potential, too. Would like to see another sharp-shooting guard/wing added, but I like the makeup of this team much more than last year's team.

Would've rather tried to get Nance with that TPE, but it seems clear that Brad is doing what he can to have a clean slate for next summer for us to be big players for free agency (e.g. Beal, Kawhi, etc.).

Have to say - I'm loving GM Brad. His clear focus on defense, versatility, and character/grinders to team building is refreshing after last season's team.

How much is the Thompson TPE?

$9.2. This transaction would be using the remaining Hayward TPE however, which would expire soon. They can keep the TT TPE for another year.

Can you fit Nance into that 9.2?

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2021, 09:14:22 PM »

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Last bit of the Hayward exception perhaps?  Surprising!
He seems redundant to our roster to my untrained eye. You think another move is coming?

I think Fournier won’t be sticking around.
That sounds likely. Richardson is a more mobile 2 than Fournier, which allows Brown to play SF (which I am a fan of).

Could still well be another move, but a 5 of Smart-Richardson-Brown-Tatum-Horford is pretty dang good on defence

Start two guards who are below average shooters? I dunno.
Richardson is average, definitely not below average. He just suffered alongside Luka. Quite confident he’ll be a ~36% shooter from deep here. Alongside Tatum and Brown, who are both close to 40% from deep, and Horford, that’s not overly concerning. Richardson also gives us much needed driving
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Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2021, 09:15:48 PM »

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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-acquiring-josh-richardson-from-mavericks-after-wing-opts-into-final-year-of-his-deal-per-report/

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The trade is a brilliant bit of salary cap maneuvering by the
Celtics. Boston had roughly $11 million left on the trade exception it generated when it dealt Gordon Hayward to Charlotte last offseason. Richardson's $11.6 million salary for next season would not have fit into that exception. However, as the league year has not yet flipped, Boston can trade for him at his $10.8 million 2020-21 salary and therefore fit him into the exception. According to ESPN's Bobby Marks, that is how the Celtics are completing this trade.

The Celtics made another trade earlier Friday to clear room underneath the tax line for this one. They swapped Tristan Thompson for Kris Dunn, and in acquiring Richardson, they've essentially jumped back up to the tax line while replacing free agent Evan Fournier. That might seem insignificant now, but it has enormous ramifications for next offseason. Richardson's contract is expiring. Fournier will surely command a multi-year deal this offseason. Now Boston has a number of veterans on expiring deals, and with Richardson seemingly filling Fournier's spot in the rotation, they are in position to create a significant amount of cap space.

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Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2021, 09:19:41 PM »

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Last bit of the Hayward exception perhaps?  Surprising!
He seems redundant to our roster to my untrained eye. You think another move is coming?

I think Fournier won’t be sticking around.
That sounds likely. Richardson is a more mobile 2 than Fournier, which allows Brown to play SF (which I am a fan of).

Could still well be another move, but a 5 of Smart-Richardson-Brown-Tatum-Horford is pretty dang good on defence

Start two guards who are below average shooters? I dunno.
Richardson is average, definitely not below average. He just suffered alongside Luka. Quite confident he’ll be a ~36% shooter from deep here. Alongside Tatum and Brown, who are both close to 40% from deep, and Horford, that’s not overly concerning. Richardson also gives us much needed driving

is a .428 career FG % average?  his last four years from 3p have been slowly going in the wrong direction .378 / .357 / .341 / .330.

For comparison, Richardson's 3p shooting % from last year (0.330) is exactly what Smart shot for the year from 3p as well.  Is Smart average?

I don't know that we can call that average.  Josh is a below average shooter, but he is a decent scorer and a decent to good defender.

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2021, 09:20:19 PM »

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With the Celtics now above the tax line and only a few million below the apron, a sign-and-trade is highly unlikely.  There’s just not the flexibility without moving a large salary.

Most likely outcome would seem to be they use the 6 million taxpayer exception and call it a day, or close too it. Rumors that Dunn could be moved again as well.

One reasonable scenario I could think of for a S&T for Lonzo would be something based around Smart. If NOLA was able to land Lowry, I could see them being potentially interested in a S&T with Lonzo based around Smart and Romeo/G Williams for around $80M/4 years. That'd be a really interesting lineup for them in Lowry, Smart, Ingram, Zion, and Hayes. They probably compete for homecourt advantage in the playoffs and potentially take a series or two barring health concerns.

For us, it'd kill two birds with one stone - figure out the Smart situation and get our long-term PG that seemingly fits well with the Jays and is on their timeline. Though, the question is whether that move is better than just keeping the space for the possibility of a Beal, Kawhi, etc. next summer.
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Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2021, 09:21:20 PM »

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Outside of Jaylen & Tatum, is the rest of the roster the worst offensive group in the league?

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2021, 09:21:37 PM »

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The trade is a brilliant bit of salary cap maneuvering by the Celtics. Boston had roughly $11 million left on the trade exception it generated when it dealt Gordon Hayward to Charlotte last offseason. Richardson's $11.6 million salary for next season would not have fit into that exception. However, as the league year has not yet flipped, Boston can trade for him at his $10.8 million 2020-21 salary and therefore fit him into the exception. According to ESPN's Bobby Marks, that is how the Celtics are completing this trade.

The Celtics made another trade earlier Friday to clear room underneath the tax line for this one. They swapped Tristan Thompson for Kris Dunn, and in acquiring Richardson, they've essentially jumped back up to the tax line while replacing free agent Evan Fournier. That might seem insignificant now, but it has enormous ramifications for next offseason. Richardson's contract is expiring. Fournier will surely command a multi-year deal this offseason. Now Boston has a number of veterans on expiring deals, and with Richardson seemingly filling Fournier's spot in the rotation, they are in position to create a significant amount of cap space.

Exactly. The Celtics are positioning themselves to add a 3rd star, either through trade or free agency.

Just look at the names who might be free agents in a year’s time:

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/the-nbas-2022-freeagent-class-could-be-the-best-ever

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2021, 09:22:29 PM »

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Outside of Jaylen & Tatum, is the rest of the roster the worst offensive group in the league?

Depends if Al has a good year shooting the 3 ball.  Smart and Josh Richardson are not a good recipe to space the floor for the J's though.

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« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2021, 09:24:56 PM »

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Wouldn't be surprised if Smart's next.

Re: Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson
« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2021, 09:26:15 PM »

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Outside of Jaylen & Tatum, is the rest of the roster the worst offensive group in the league?
As of right now? Pretty dang close. Bench is pretty putrid too. Curious to see what PBS does.