Shams: Celtics acquire Josh Richardson for Moses Brown

[liam]

I don't see ball coming here.  These deals were about getting expiring contracts and keeping cap flexibility for next year.  The cs have better depth, defense and scoring to compete next year.  The did not add any long term salary but are better today vs how they ended the season.  Wasn't the ideal route but it worked.  I'd be shocked at a ball deal and IMO they are setting themselves up for Beal.  If they knew they didn't have a shot at Beal they would have no issue adding long term salary on pieces that fit with the js.  I would like to see a move clearing Edward's for yam but barring another deal it seems yam is stuck overseas for 1 more year.

Sorry, but how are they better offensively? The team literally has two good offensive players. Thts pretty much it right now.

I could listen to arguments as to how Horford, Richardson, improved young guys (PP, Nessie, Romeo), an adjusted Jabari Parker + whatever free agents or further trades we make is better for our offence than Kemba, Tristan Thompson and whoever we would have picked at 16 + those improved young guys. The ability to add more with our TPE and MLE could only enhance that.

I also think Kemba might be addition by subtraction. Replacing an injury-prone shoot-first guard with a high-post passing big who can shoot will open things up for us

Horford is 35. Richardson is coming off a sub par two years. Romeo is a nobody and has shown no signs of an actual offensive game. Parker is not good either. Over the last two years, Cs lost Hayward and Kemba and have not replaced them. And now they are likely losing Fournier. God forbid if anything happen to JB or JT or this team is literally a lottery team as it is comprised right now. Thankfully plenty of time to make more moves obviously but will be very curious to see what PBS does. Thinks there’s a lot more moves coming.

I agree. On paper, we'll be better defensively but it won't matter that we can hold a team to 90 points if we can't score 91.

I just don't see where we're getting consistent scoring outside of the Jays with this roster. We know Horford isn't a big scorer. Richardson has been declining for awhile, and you have to wonder if his last season in Miami was a fluke. Do we want Marcus feeling like he has to score? That rarely works in anyone's favor. Best case scenario is that Nesmith makes a jump, but that's not fair to put those expectations on him this early in his career. Can we get a decent MLE guy? We're going to have to.

These are averages from last year. With no improvement, we still score over a hundred.
Tatum- 26
Brown - 24
Smart - 13
Pritchard -7
TIMELORD -8
Nesmith -5
Parker-6
Romeo -3
M. Brown- 8
Horford - 14
Richardson 12
Dunn -1

total = 127. The top 8 score = 112

[Roy H.]

I don't see ball coming here.  These deals were about getting expiring contracts and keeping cap flexibility for next year.  The cs have better depth, defense and scoring to compete next year.  The did not add any long term salary but are better today vs how they ended the season.  Wasn't the ideal route but it worked.  I'd be shocked at a ball deal and IMO they are setting themselves up for Beal.  If they knew they didn't have a shot at Beal they would have no issue adding long term salary on pieces that fit with the js.  I would like to see a move clearing Edward's for yam but barring another deal it seems yam is stuck overseas for 1 more year.

Sorry, but how are they better offensively? The team literally has two good offensive players. Thts pretty much it right now.

I could listen to arguments as to how Horford, Richardson, improved young guys (PP, Nessie, Romeo), an adjusted Jabari Parker + whatever free agents or further trades we make is better for our offence than Kemba, Tristan Thompson and whoever we would have picked at 16 + those improved young guys. The ability to add more with our TPE and MLE could only enhance that.

I also think Kemba might be addition by subtraction. Replacing an injury-prone shoot-first guard with a high-post passing big who can shoot will open things up for us

Horford is 35. Richardson is coming off a sub par two years. Romeo is a nobody and has shown no signs of an actual offensive game. Parker is not good either. Over the last two years, Cs lost Hayward and Kemba and have not replaced them. And now they are likely losing Fournier. God forbid if anything happen to JB or JT or this team is literally a lottery team as it is comprised right now. Thankfully plenty of time to make more moves obviously but will be very curious to see what PBS does. Thinks there’s a lot more moves coming.

I agree. On paper, we'll be better defensively but it won't matter that we can hold a team to 90 points if we can't score 91.

I just don't see where we're getting consistent scoring outside of the Jays with this roster. We know Horford isn't a big scorer. Richardson has been declining for awhile, and you have to wonder if his last season in Miami was a fluke. Do we want Marcus feeling like he has to score? That rarely works in anyone's favor. Best case scenario is that Nesmith makes a jump, but that's not fair to put those expectations on him this early in his career. Can we get a decent MLE guy? We're going to have to.

These are averages from last year. With no improvement, we still score over a hundred.
Tatum- 26
Brown - 24
Smart - 13
Pritchard -7
TIMELORD -8
Nesmith -5
Parker-6
Romeo -3
M. Brown- 8
Horford - 14
Richardson 12
Dunn -11

total = 127. The top 8 score = 112

You know it doesn’t work this way, right?  How many minutes and how many shots are included there?

[liam]

If Smart, Richardson, and Horford can bring 40 points a night and Tatum and Brown 50 points a night you only need about 10-15 points off the bench to be a good scoring team.

[tstorey_97]

We are just going to throw waves of really good defenders at opposing team's best guards/forwards. Start the game with Smart on them. Rotate Josh Richardson on them. Scrap minutes given to Kris Dunn. All three of which are expirings looking to prove themselves for their next contract.

TP to defensewinschamps as Stevens gets roster out of "recovering from Ainge's attempts to build a super team" and starts to build a bunch of tough defenders around two already tough defenders (the J's).

Agree the team could use another frontcourt presence as Horford and Robert will miss a lot of minutes. The team is a little smallish, but bigger than last season.

Agree that Stevens is pushing a lot of buttons with a veritable fleet of expiring contracts.

I think they are going to wing it this year and make the 3rd superstar move next season.

I will say one thing with Richardson, Smart and Dunn (if they aren't traded)? These guys are going to wreck opposing back courts and the NBA is pretty heavy on back court play these days. I like this bunch in the playoffs....

[PAOBoston]

If Smart, Richardson, and Horford can bring 40 points a night and Tatum and Brown 50 points a night you only need about 10-15 points off the bench to be a good scoring team.

That sounds like a recipe for disaster tbh. Horford/Timelord are injury concerns. One injury to JT or JB would literally sink this team. There is no way they do not get another scorer (if Fournier is not retained). They really need one.

[Roy H.]

I’m curious what the other end of the deal is. We need to send some asset to Dallas, most likely a top 55 protected second rounder.

[colincb]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 18 minutes ago

A league source tells MassLive that Celtics are still ironing out details but will need to finalize Josh Richardson trade by Monday. Look for a protected pick or non-guaranteed salary heading back to Dallas.

[Roy H.]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 18 minutes ago

A league source tells MassLive that Celtics are still ironing out details but will need to finalize Josh Richardson trade by Monday. Look for a protected pick or non-guaranteed salary heading back to Dallas.

I don’t know if we have any non-guaranteed salaries at this point.  Does straight cash work?  And do we have any left to send?

[Celtics2021]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 18 minutes ago

A league source tells MassLive that Celtics are still ironing out details but will need to finalize Josh Richardson trade by Monday. Look for a protected pick or non-guaranteed salary heading back to Dallas.

I don’t know if we have any non-guaranteed salaries at this point.  Does straight cash work?  And do we have any left to send?

Jabari Parker is non-guaranteed.

[Roy H.]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 18 minutes ago

A league source tells MassLive that Celtics are still ironing out details but will need to finalize Josh Richardson trade by Monday. Look for a protected pick or non-guaranteed salary heading back to Dallas.

I don’t know if we have any non-guaranteed salaries at this point.  Does straight cash work?  And do we have any left to send?

Jabari Parker is non-guaranteed.

Ah, right.  I would prefer to hold on to him as he is one of the few guys on our team who can score. The top-55 protected pick makes a bit more sense.

I don’t want to trade Parker at least until we can find a legit back up four.  I’m still rooting for KO, assuming that Otto Porter is out of our price range.

[jambr380]

Judging by how happy DAL fans are, they should probably be sending us a pick. We should get a guaranteed 2nd while sending them a top 55 protected pick.

I realize this is probably not how it will work out, but we did them a major favor opening up a max salary spot.

[Rondo9]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1421517193343242240

It's Moses Brown.

[MattyIce]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1421517193343242240

It's Moses Brown.

wow , i hope this means we have an understanding of a robert williams extension

[Roy H.]

Wow.  That surprises me.  I didn’t think Dallas would get positive value from us since we saved them from a cap crunch.

[hpantazo]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1421517193343242240

It's Moses Brown.

wow , i hope this means we have an understanding of a robert williams extension

I don't think keeping Brown was ever in Stevens plans. We could be opening up a bit more cap room and/or roster spot for more moves.