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Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2021, 03:47:44 PM »

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Take this for what you will:

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1420769475725459466https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1420769475725459466

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https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1420766989056843790
If only our rookie GM hadn't jumped the gun with the Kemba trade. It seems like the Sixers might settle for picks unless Beal or Lillard becomes available. Kemba + Smart + multiple picks might have put us in the conversation. Never understood why Brad didn't wait till draft night. I miss Danny already.

That said, we can still do it. Smart + Fournier (signed and traded) + multiple firsts for Simmons. Couldn't care less about the picks. A big 3 of Tatum, Brown and Simmons would transform the C's into a legit contending team for years to come. I really believe the C's would be the perfect situation for Simmons.

It's a very real possibility that Stevens doesn't like Simmons, which seems to be the consensus around the league given the lack of offers the Sixers are able to receive for him.
It's not just Simmons. Most deals happen on draft night/at the deadline for a reason. Teams are unwilling to lower their asking price prior to the draft night unless they are desperate to make a trade. It's when they run out of time on draft night that they finally compromise regarding their asking price. To put it another way, trade negotiations are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the game. The C's backed down way too early and they got fleeced. Hate to say it, but our rookie GM made a rookie mistake.

The thing you haven't explained is why OKC would have more pressure on draft night? They are the ones offering to take the pressure off the teams that need to do something. They've sold off cap space multiple times. They weren't shopping around Horford, anxious to make a deal right away. They are years away from needing to do anything.

Horford and OKC had a tidy contract that allowed other teams to reduce their max mistakes for a fee.

OKC's leverage would have gone up on draft night, not down.
They wouldn't, but this is irrelevant. They didn't have pressure at the time of the trade either. We were the ones that forced the trade. OKC took Horford in a salary dump and they somehow got a mid first for him! Worst case scenario, I bet they'd still take our offer on draft night. Why wouldn't they? It's amazing value on their part. I mean, they didn't even want him on their team last season. They shut him down 28 games prior to the end of the season.

(Don't get me wrong, I like Horford's game.)

Having trouble following you. You spend several posts explaining that Stevens was a rookie for making an early deal because the C's leverage would improve at draft night. So now you are saying it wouldn't have improved.

You are over exaggerating the price. Brown had a tangible value too. I don't claim it equals a #16, but he is worth a late 1st.

The reason to do it early is found in your general argument. You were half right. Teams want to get deals done on draft night. Its just that OKC wasn't one of them. OKC is lurking around looking to take advantage of those teams, and Horford has a perfect contract, and enough left in the tank to be an ideal guy to swap for a bad max or near max contract.

So, tonight, some other teams may have wanted to do a deal for Horford too.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2021, 03:50:27 PM »

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Apparently the Celtics are one of a few teams looking at a possible Ricky Rubio trade

“Boston is reportedly one of three teams (Lakers, Clippers) that are doing their ‘trade due diligence’ on Timberwolves point guard Ricky Rubio according to a report from Darren Wolfson of KSTP Sports.”

Rubio is currently in the final year of a three-year contract and will earn $17.8 million next season. The 30-year-old started 51 games at point guard last year for Minnesota and has posted 11 points, 7.6 assists, and 4.2 rebounds per game over his ten NBA seasons.
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Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2021, 03:50:52 PM »

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Take this for what you will:

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1420769475725459466https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1420769475725459466

It says the page doesn't exist.

Broken link..... Here's a new one:

https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1420766989056843790
If only our rookie GM hadn't jumped the gun with the Kemba trade. It seems like the Sixers might settle for picks unless Beal or Lillard becomes available. Kemba + Smart + multiple picks might have put us in the conversation. Never understood why Brad didn't wait till draft night. I miss Danny already.

That said, we can still do it. Smart + Fournier (signed and traded) + multiple firsts for Simmons. Couldn't care less about the picks. A big 3 of Tatum, Brown and Simmons would transform the C's into a legit contending team for years to come. I really believe the C's would be the perfect situation for Simmons.

It's a very real possibility that Stevens doesn't like Simmons, which seems to be the consensus around the league given the lack of offers the Sixers are able to receive for him.
It's not just Simmons. Most deals happen on draft night/at the deadline for a reason. Teams are unwilling to lower their asking price prior to the draft night unless they are desperate to make a trade. It's when they run out of time on draft night that they finally compromise regarding their asking price. To put it another way, trade negotiations are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the game. The C's backed down way too early and they got fleeced. Hate to say it, but our rookie GM made a rookie mistake.

The thing you haven't explained is why OKC would have more pressure on draft night? They are the ones offering to take the pressure off the teams that need to do something. They've sold off cap space multiple times. They weren't shopping around Horford, anxious to make a deal right away. They are years away from needing to do anything.

Horford and OKC had a tidy contract that allowed other teams to reduce their max mistakes for a fee.

OKC's leverage would have gone up on draft night, not down.
They wouldn't, but this is irrelevant. They didn't have pressure at the time of the trade either. We were the ones that forced the trade. OKC took Horford in a salary dump and they somehow got a mid first for him! Worst case scenario, I bet they'd still take our offer on draft night. Why wouldn't they? It's amazing value on their part. I mean, they didn't even want him on their team last season. They shut him down 28 games prior to the end of the season.

(Don't get me wrong, I like Horford's game.)

I believe we made the trade early so we could trade future draft picks more easily.
It actually made it harder for us to trade future picks. Prior to the Kemba deal, we could have traded our 2022 pick whenever we wanted to. Since we made that deal, we technically have to wait until after the draft to trade it. No big deal by any means, but it certainly didn't make things easier for us.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2021, 03:54:38 PM »

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Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2021, 04:11:38 PM »

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Take this for what you will:

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1420769475725459466https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1420769475725459466

It says the page doesn't exist.

Broken link..... Here's a new one:

https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1420766989056843790
If only our rookie GM hadn't jumped the gun with the Kemba trade. It seems like the Sixers might settle for picks unless Beal or Lillard becomes available. Kemba + Smart + multiple picks might have put us in the conversation. Never understood why Brad didn't wait till draft night. I miss Danny already.

That said, we can still do it. Smart + Fournier (signed and traded) + multiple firsts for Simmons. Couldn't care less about the picks. A big 3 of Tatum, Brown and Simmons would transform the C's into a legit contending team for years to come. I really believe the C's would be the perfect situation for Simmons.

It's a very real possibility that Stevens doesn't like Simmons, which seems to be the consensus around the league given the lack of offers the Sixers are able to receive for him.
It's not just Simmons. Most deals happen on draft night/at the deadline for a reason. Teams are unwilling to lower their asking price prior to the draft night unless they are desperate to make a trade. It's when they run out of time on draft night that they finally compromise regarding their asking price. To put it another way, trade negotiations are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the game. The C's backed down way too early and they got fleeced. Hate to say it, but our rookie GM made a rookie mistake.

The thing you haven't explained is why OKC would have more pressure on draft night? They are the ones offering to take the pressure off the teams that need to do something. They've sold off cap space multiple times. They weren't shopping around Horford, anxious to make a deal right away. They are years away from needing to do anything.

Horford and OKC had a tidy contract that allowed other teams to reduce their max mistakes for a fee.

OKC's leverage would have gone up on draft night, not down.
They wouldn't, but this is irrelevant. They didn't have pressure at the time of the trade either. We were the ones that forced the trade. OKC took Horford in a salary dump and they somehow got a mid first for him! Worst case scenario, I bet they'd still take our offer on draft night. Why wouldn't they? It's amazing value on their part. I mean, they didn't even want him on their team last season. They shut him down 28 games prior to the end of the season.

(Don't get me wrong, I like Horford's game.)

Having trouble following you. You spend several posts explaining that Stevens was a rookie for making an early deal because the C's leverage would improve at draft night. So now you are saying it wouldn't have improved.

You are over exaggerating the price. Brown had a tangible value too. I don't claim it equals a #16, but he is worth a late 1st.

The reason to do it early is found in your general argument. You were half right. Teams want to get deals done on draft night. Its just that OKC wasn't one of them. OKC is lurking around looking to take advantage of those teams, and Horford has a perfect contract, and enough left in the tank to be an ideal guy to swap for a bad max or near max contract.

So, tonight, some other teams may have wanted to do a deal for Horford too.
Read your post mate. Your question was: ''The thing you haven't explained is why OKC would have more pressure on draft night?''

Again, they (=OKC) wouldn't have more pressure, but this is irrelevant for the reasons I mentioned in the previous post.

Anyway, we are off topic. Let's just say we agree to disagree. I respect the fact that you may have a different opinion.
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Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2021, 04:25:03 PM »

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Apparently the Celtics are one of a few teams looking at a possible Ricky Rubio trade

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/7/29/22600050/rumor-boston-celtics-doing-due-diligence-on-ricky-rubio-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-brad-stevens-nba

I'm not even sure how that's possible without including Smart's salary.  That's not happening for Rubio.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #96 on: July 29, 2021, 04:25:49 PM »

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Apparently the Celtics are one of a few teams looking at a possible Ricky Rubio trade

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/7/29/22600050/rumor-boston-celtics-doing-due-diligence-on-ricky-rubio-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-brad-stevens-nba

I'm not even sure how that's possible without including Smart's salary.  That's not happening for Rubio.

Sign and trade of Fournier?

I would rather have Fournier though.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #97 on: July 29, 2021, 04:28:32 PM »

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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2021, 04:37:11 PM »

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Apparently the Celtics are one of a few teams looking at a possible Ricky Rubio trade

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/7/29/22600050/rumor-boston-celtics-doing-due-diligence-on-ricky-rubio-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-brad-stevens-nba

I'm not even sure how that's possible without including Smart's salary.  That's not happening for Rubio.

Sign and trade of Fournier?

I would rather have Fournier though.
It makes sense only if our plan A is to go after Beal in the 2022 free agency. I mean, Rubio's contract expires in 2022. I'd expect us to get a pick though too.

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« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2021, 04:44:41 PM »

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Rubio and Smart together makes no sense. Smart would have to be traded.  Don't know how you make up the gap.  Thompson plus Smart is too much salary?

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« Reply #100 on: July 29, 2021, 05:27:03 PM »

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Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #101 on: July 29, 2021, 05:32:39 PM »

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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1420855153410854925

Westbrook to L.A?

If this is true, a Beal deal has to come sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #102 on: July 29, 2021, 05:36:45 PM »

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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1420855153410854925

Westbrook to L.A?
ESPN reporting that a Lakers-Kings trade for Buddy Hield seems imminent now that Harrell has opted into his $9.7 million last year of his contract. Hield for Harrell and Kuzma.

Don't see any way the Lakers can make both trades and bring in Hield and Westbrook. They don"t have the assets

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #103 on: July 29, 2021, 05:40:26 PM »

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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1420855153410854925

Westbrook to L.A?
ESPN reporting that a Lakers-Kings trade for Buddy Hield seems imminent now that Harrell has opted into his $9.7 million last year of his contract. Hield for Harrell and Kuzma.

Don't see any way the Lakers can make both trades and bring in Hield and Westbrook. They don"t have the assets

Exactly. The only other shoe that could fall would be if the Wizards were willing to take Schroeder in a sign-and-trade, and offer him a lot of money. Even that has much, many complications.

Re: NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021
« Reply #104 on: July 29, 2021, 05:40:41 PM »

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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1420855153410854925

Westbrook to L.A?
ESPN reporting that a Lakers-Kings trade for Buddy Hield seems imminent now that Harrell has opted into his $9.7 million last year of his contract. Hield for Harrell and Kuzma.

Don't see any way the Lakers can make both trades and bring in Hield and Westbrook. They don"t have the assets

Westbrook seems insane for the Lakers, but it does create a mess for Washington too, so it would be unlikely to try keeping Beal.

If the Sacramento deal goes through, I'd have to think Barnes would be available.

Could be a wild night.