Tatum calls out Dame

[CBS_Take a Report]

LOL. We're as bad as the media spinning a comment and believing it like Tatum said he wants the C's to trade Brown for Dame.  That's what the title should have said because that's what it would take.  The C's need to add around the J's not replace one with a different player.  Getting Dame over Brown doesn't move the needle enough to be a contender it just makes us the Blazers of the East.

Yes Tatum called out Dame but he also called our Kryme.  No news here folks.

As for his answer about All NBA.  He's right.  Why should a hurt Lebron make it because the media loves him.  He'd have made All NBA if he only played 10 games.  (Probably not but making a point here)  Tatum deserved to be on one just like Mitchell did as well.

Wow everyone is so sensitive. The post and comment was tongue and cheek. And if anything has proven to be true it’s that where there is smoke there is fire. In a league where teams are being built by the players I thought this comment was noteworthy to discuss.

For the record, I would trade Jaylen for Dame without blinking an eye. I love what Jaylen is and his cost control and his youth but to me he is the one who exhibits a me first approach and his style of basketball is very start/stop. I find it hard for this team to get in a rut gym with his slow style of play. He just looks robotic at times.

[Tr1boy]

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[Big333223]

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

[gift]

There still generally exists a trajectory for the careers of nba stars. Tatum is entering the "put up numbers" stage now that he is looking toward his mid-twenties with a few years under his belt and the team handed over to him. Championship contention typically comes later for most players. We all want it to happen sooner and it's Udoka's task now to figure out how to reconcile those motivations. But I'm not upset that a young player focuses on what young players focus on.

[action781]

“I know I should have made it with the season I had,” Tatum said. “I mean, $33 million on the line, obviously, that would make anyone feel some type of way.

“And I wasn’t necessarily upset about losing the money. I think I just felt like the way I was playing, everything I did, I thought it should have been a no-brainer. I think I was just more frustrated with that.”

Tatum noted that the media votes on All-NBA, but the criteria isn’t entirely clear.

“Is there a certain amount of games you need to play? Should you be in playoff contention?” Tatum said. “There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position. I think there should be something like that in place because I think if you just allow people to just vote … and there’s nothing set in place, like, ‘you gotta play this many games’, whatever it may be. I think that would help it out a lot.”

“I know nobody’s going to necessarily feel bad for me and [Jazz guard] Donovan [Mitchell] because we still get paid a lot of money,” Tatum said. “But I just felt like I deserved to make it.”

I hate the entitled attitude he's showing in these quotes.

[RJ87]

I see him being authentic and real. He just “lost” $32m from a suspect voting process. He even made the comment loook I make insane amounts of money...

I don't see an issue with his comments either. I keep trying to nitpick it the way other posters are but all I take from it is "I wish there was a more established criteria and not opinion based, but I'm not mad about the money. No one is crying over me or Donovan losing money," and I genuinely don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

People keep mentioning Jaylen. Can Jayson breath without needing to include Jaylen? It's starting to take on a weird little brother dynamic where their parents are forcing him to take him everywhere he goes.

And I don't think Tatum needs to look to Randle. Jayson has been apart of more winning seasons and playoff basketball in his 4 year career than Randle has in 7 years.

[Tr1boy]

“I know I should have made it with the season I had,” Tatum said. “I mean, $33 million on the line, obviously, that would make anyone feel some type of way.

“And I wasn’t necessarily upset about losing the money. I think I just felt like the way I was playing, everything I did, I thought it should have been a no-brainer. I think I was just more frustrated with that.”

Tatum noted that the media votes on All-NBA, but the criteria isn’t entirely clear.

“Is there a certain amount of games you need to play? Should you be in playoff contention?” Tatum said. “There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position. I think there should be something like that in place because I think if you just allow people to just vote … and there’s nothing set in place, like, ‘you gotta play this many games’, whatever it may be. I think that would help it out a lot.”

“I know nobody’s going to necessarily feel bad for me and [Jazz guard] Donovan [Mitchell] because we still get paid a lot of money,” Tatum said. “But I just felt like I deserved to make it.”

I hate the entitled attitude he's showing in these quotes.

I blame Kyrie

Worst trade ever. 

I wish Tatum wouldnt talk/associate with him

[BudweiserCeltic]

“I know I should have made it with the season I had,” Tatum said. “I mean, $33 million on the line, obviously, that would make anyone feel some type of way.

“And I wasn’t necessarily upset about losing the money. I think I just felt like the way I was playing, everything I did, I thought it should have been a no-brainer. I think I was just more frustrated with that.”

Tatum noted that the media votes on All-NBA, but the criteria isn’t entirely clear.

“Is there a certain amount of games you need to play? Should you be in playoff contention?” Tatum said. “There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position. I think there should be something like that in place because I think if you just allow people to just vote … and there’s nothing set in place, like, ‘you gotta play this many games’, whatever it may be. I think that would help it out a lot.”

“I know nobody’s going to necessarily feel bad for me and [Jazz guard] Donovan [Mitchell] because we still get paid a lot of money,” Tatum said. “But I just felt like I deserved to make it.”

I hate the entitled attitude he's showing in these quotes.

And many here would want Dame here, you know, the one that made an issue of not being selected to the All-Star team years ago...

You put in the work, think you did enough to reach something and you get snub for it... that's not entitlement, that's frustration of your work not being recognized and rewarded. I'd take that any day of the week over being complacent.

And yeah, $33 million, even if he downplays it, that's a crap ton of money he lost arbitrarily.

[RJ87]

“I know I should have made it with the season I had,” Tatum said. “I mean, $33 million on the line, obviously, that would make anyone feel some type of way.

“And I wasn’t necessarily upset about losing the money. I think I just felt like the way I was playing, everything I did, I thought it should have been a no-brainer. I think I was just more frustrated with that.”

Tatum noted that the media votes on All-NBA, but the criteria isn’t entirely clear.

“Is there a certain amount of games you need to play? Should you be in playoff contention?” Tatum said. “There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position. I think there should be something like that in place because I think if you just allow people to just vote … and there’s nothing set in place, like, ‘you gotta play this many games’, whatever it may be. I think that would help it out a lot.”

“I know nobody’s going to necessarily feel bad for me and [Jazz guard] Donovan [Mitchell] because we still get paid a lot of money,” Tatum said. “But I just felt like I deserved to make it.”

I hate the entitled attitude he's showing in these quotes.

And many here would want Dame here, you know, the one that made an issue of not being selected to the All-Star team years ago...

You put in the work, think you did enough to reach something and you get snub for it... that's not entitlement, that's frustration of your work not being recognized and rewarded. I'd take that any day of the weak over being complacent.

And yeah, $33 million, even if he downplays it, that's a crap ton of money he lost arbitrarily.

TP.

It's interesting, though. Because if he'd given another type of response or said he didn't care, that would just be fodder for the "Jayson is too passive" crowd. I don't know if there was a response he could have given there that would make people happy, because posters always seem ready to attack him at any turn.

[action781]

“I know I should have made it with the season I had,” Tatum said. “I mean, $33 million on the line, obviously, that would make anyone feel some type of way.

“And I wasn’t necessarily upset about losing the money. I think I just felt like the way I was playing, everything I did, I thought it should have been a no-brainer. I think I was just more frustrated with that.”

Tatum noted that the media votes on All-NBA, but the criteria isn’t entirely clear.

“Is there a certain amount of games you need to play? Should you be in playoff contention?” Tatum said. “There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position. I think there should be something like that in place because I think if you just allow people to just vote … and there’s nothing set in place, like, ‘you gotta play this many games’, whatever it may be. I think that would help it out a lot.”

“I know nobody’s going to necessarily feel bad for me and [Jazz guard] Donovan [Mitchell] because we still get paid a lot of money,” Tatum said. “But I just felt like I deserved to make it.”

I hate the entitled attitude he's showing in these quotes.

And many here would want Dame here, you know, the one that made an issue of not being selected to the All-Star team years ago...

You put in the work, think you did enough to reach something and you get snub for it... that's not entitlement, that's frustration of your work not being recognized and rewarded. I'd take that any day of the weak over being complacent.

And yeah, $33 million, even if he downplays it, that's a crap ton of money he lost arbitrarily.

Yeah, I'm not asking him to be complacent.  I'm asking him to say "Hey, they people who got voted in had great seasons.  If I want to make an all-nba team, I've got to work hard and raise the level of my game to make sure I get in."

Still focusing on the wrong thing IMO (accolades over team success), but you can't control the questions being asked to you.  What I'm showing is that you can be not entitled and also not complacent.

[Celtics2021]

I see a player b!tching because he didn't make the All-NBA team. I see a player looking at his individual stats and is angry they weren't good enough to net an award. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.

As for Dame. The question asked him was who would you choose to take a last minute shot. He named two guys....Lillard and Kyrie. Does that mean there's fire about Kyrie coming back too?

If that's what you took away from what you read, you a) should read it again, and b) should listen to the interview itself.  He was equally upset that Donovan Mitchell didn't get recognition, and echoed a lot of the complaints we see generally, that the voting standards are arbitrary.  Should a player have to play a certain number of games?  Be in the postseason?  Win a certain number of games?  When it's a plaque on the wall it's one thing, but the NBA is inviting controversy by pegging a 20% raise to a player's contract to a single vote with no standards.

[Rondo9]

So what? Jayson can’t be angry that he lost 33 million dollars through a convoluted voting system? Besides he was also upset guys Mitchell missed out on their payday as well.

[gouki88]

“There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position...."

Good luck getting those assist numbers up, Ime.

Is 6th in the league for small forwards not high enough?

Nope.  Positional comparison is less important.  Guys who have as much usage as Tatum obviously are going to get some assists along the way.  Yet among the top 15 players in terms of usage percentage (min 2000 minutes), Tatum ranked next to last (tied with Booker) in assists per game.  The only guy worse was Jordan Clark.  Brown, who finished just outside top 15 in usage, obviously needs to pass more too.  This is broadly acknowledged by analysts, not saying anything particularly controversial here.

Not sure that this statistical analysis really flies.

Tatum makes more passes per game than many other superstars, such as Giannis, Kevin Durant, Paul George, Bradley Beal and Donovan Mitchell, to name a few. His adjusted assist numbers (total sum of assists, free throw assists, and secondary assists) was superior to wings known for their passing like Hayward and his potential assist numbers were stronger than a number of other All-Stars.

Not seeing what your point is. Tatum is a scorer, and his passing has improved significantly every year over the last 3. What's to be concerned over?

[bdm860]

For all the criticism the media gets about just trying to get clicks/views or falsely generating controversy, the media always seems to do a terrible job with these kinds of questions.

Interviewer:  "Do you think you deserved to make All-NBA? 
Tatum: "Yes"
Interviewer:  "Okay, who made the team over you that you think you were more deserving than?"

Such a simple followup question that would instantly generate a lot of views/conversation/drama.  As long as the interviewer didn't let him wimp out with the answer. 

Tatum:  "Oh I don't know, I just feel like with the season I had, I deserved to make it."
Interviewer: "It doesn't work that way.  There's only 6 spots for forwards available.  So if you think you deserved to make it, that means you felt somebody ahead of you didn't deserve it.  Who was that player or player(s)?

Such a fail every time they don't drill down on that question more.

[Big333223]

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

People keep mentioning Jaylen. Can Jayson breath without needing to include Jaylen? It's starting to take on a weird little brother dynamic where their parents are forcing him to take him everywhere he goes.

And I don't think Tatum needs to look to Randle. Jayson has been apart of more winning seasons and playoff basketball in his 4 year career than Randle has in 7 years.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I don't fault Tatum for not bringing up Jaylen, just that it would've been nice to shout out his teammate there.

And when I say look to Randle, I more mean: Look at what got Randle on the All NBA 2nd Team. The Knicks won more games. Tatum is talking about wanting some kind of criteria, the criteria includes numbers, obviously, but if Tatum's team had won more games I think there's no question he would've made All NBA. I hope that's the lesson he takes away from this: If you want people to notice how good you are your team has to win.