The Kemba trade. What does it Say about Brad?

[td450]

The only thing it says is that the priorities he stated are real. His organizing principle is to do what he can to maximize the abilities of Tatum and Brown. Kemba was a failure at that. Al was quite good at it. And the money helps too, especially once the second shoe drops and we move out Tristan Thompson.

[slamtheking]

nothing other than he doesn't feel constrained to wait until draft day to pull the trigger on a deal.

some people will twist the deal into justifying how they feel about Danny which is what I think you're trying to do.

 Well then you would be wrong.  It's completely natural to have disagreements with draft picks. Free agents choices that your superior makes.

 Brad was not happy with the roster construction.  He knew we needed more size. Getting a 6'10 center and a 7'2" Center for a 5'11" player tells me he thinks we need more size.

Danny was trying to trade Kemba as well, so...

Danny was always trying to make trades, but rarely made them. IMO he never would have made this trade and given away the draft pick. Danny's strength was identifying the best talent at the very top of the draft. He never missed. I'm hoping that Brad's goal is to bring in that third star that will make us a real contender. Why shouldn't someone like Beal want to come here, play with his close friend, and compete for a title?

 Agreed. Danny Ainge ruined the celtics trade possibilities by his propensity to rip.off other teams and generally wouldn't fairly negotiate.

so basically, what I said.  you have an axe to grind with Danny and phrased your topic to maximize empathic posts.

I have no issue debating Danny's performance and would agree that he mismanaged the draft assets he acquired beginning with the Yabu/Zizic draft and stash year but prior to that I think he did pretty well.  I just find this thread to be barely disguised attempt to bathe in a pool of Danny-hate by making unsupported assumptions that Brad thinks Danny mismanaged the team and he's now going to undo what Danny built because that suits your personal narrative. 

[Ogaju]

It says he can discern what is patently obvious, and does not appear to indulge in fantasy.

[Ogaju]

nothing other than he doesn't feel constrained to wait until draft day to pull the trigger on a deal.

some people will twist the deal into justifying how they feel about Danny which is what I think you're trying to do.

 Well then you would be wrong.  It's completely natural to have disagreements with draft picks. Free agents choices that your superior makes.

 Brad was not happy with the roster construction.  He knew we needed more size. Getting a 6'10 center and a 7'2" Center for a 5'11" player tells me he thinks we need more size.

By more size do you mean BIGS/

[Ogaju]

nothing other than he doesn't feel constrained to wait until draft day to pull the trigger on a deal.

some people will twist the deal into justifying how they feel about Danny which is what I think you're trying to do.

 Well then you would be wrong.  It's completely natural to have disagreements with draft picks. Free agents choices that your superior makes.

 Brad was not happy with the roster construction.  He knew we needed more size. Getting a 6'10 center and a 7'2" Center for a 5'11" player tells me he thinks we need more size.

Danny was trying to trade Kemba as well, so...

for what? That is the question!!

[Ogaju]

It’s pretty clear that Kemba is going to get moved by OKC at some point.  I think the return OKC gets could tell us something about Brad’s ability as a GM at this stage.

No it won’t. You cannot compare trades like that. There are all types of intangibles, prior relationships, and future promises, that could fetch OKC a deal for Kemba that looks better than what the Celtics got.

[Goldstar88]

nothing other than he doesn't feel constrained to wait until draft day to pull the trigger on a deal.

some people will twist the deal into justifying how they feel about Danny which is what I think you're trying to do.

 Well then you would be wrong.  It's completely natural to have disagreements with draft picks. Free agents choices that your superior makes.

 Brad was not happy with the roster construction.  He knew we needed more size. Getting a 6'10 center and a 7'2" Center for a 5'11" player tells me he thinks we need more size.

Danny was trying to trade Kemba as well, so...

for what? That is the question!!

Jrue Holiday

[Roy H.]

I think it says:

1.  Brad is comfortable with Marcus running the offense;

2.  He wanted a reliable stretch center;

3.  He prefers a more defensively-oriented team;

4.  He didn’t trust Kemba for a “prove it” season;

5.  He covets payroll flexibility;

6.  He doesn’t think immediate help will be there at #16

As for contrasts with Danny…. Too early to say.  Discussions predate Brad taking over.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think it says:

1.  Brad is comfortable with Marcus running the offense;

2.  He wanted a reliable stretch center;

3.  He prefers a more defensively-oriented team;

4.  He didn’t trust Kemba for a “prove it” season;

5.  He covets payroll flexibility;

6.  He doesn’t think immediate help will be there at #16

As for contrasts with Danny…. Too early to say.  Discussions predate Brad taking over.

Very insightful…..proceed to head of class. 

[Ogaju]

nothing other than he doesn't feel constrained to wait until draft day to pull the trigger on a deal.

some people will twist the deal into justifying how they feel about Danny which is what I think you're trying to do.

 Well then you would be wrong.  It's completely natural to have disagreements with draft picks. Free agents choices that your superior makes.

 Brad was not happy with the roster construction.  He knew we needed more size. Getting a 6'10 center and a 7'2" Center for a 5'11" player tells me he thinks we need more size.

Danny was trying to trade Kemba as well, so...

for what? That is the question!!

Jrue Holiday

That would not have solved the Celtics BIGS problem.

[BudweiserCeltic]

nothing other than he doesn't feel constrained to wait until draft day to pull the trigger on a deal.

some people will twist the deal into justifying how they feel about Danny which is what I think you're trying to do.

 Well then you would be wrong.  It's completely natural to have disagreements with draft picks. Free agents choices that your superior makes.

 Brad was not happy with the roster construction.  He knew we needed more size. Getting a 6'10 center and a 7'2" Center for a 5'11" player tells me he thinks we need more size.

Danny was trying to trade Kemba as well, so...

for what? That is the question!!

Jrue Holiday

There were reports if not mistaken of LaMarcus too... which is interesting considering he retired not long after being bought out, so curious of what the consequences would've been.

[CptZoogs]

It’s pretty clear that Kemba is going to get moved by OKC at some point.  I think the return OKC gets could tell us something about Brad’s ability as a GM at this stage.

No it won’t. You cannot compare trades like that. There are all types of intangibles, prior relationships, and future promises, that could fetch OKC a deal for Kemba that looks better than what the Celtics got.

I’m sorry, are those intangibles not part of the equation when evaluating a GM?

[Ogaju]

It’s pretty clear that Kemba is going to get moved by OKC at some point.  I think the return OKC gets could tell us something about Brad’s ability as a GM at this stage.

No it won’t. You cannot compare trades like that. There are all types of intangibles, prior relationships, and future promises, that could fetch OKC a deal for Kemba that looks better than what the Celtics got.

I’m sorry, are those intangibles not part of the equation when evaluating a GM?

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, those factors are impossible to quantify making comparisons insubstantial.

[bogg]

It’s pretty clear that Kemba is going to get moved by OKC at some point.  I think the return OKC gets could tell us something about Brad’s ability as a GM at this stage.

No it won’t. You cannot compare trades like that. There are all types of intangibles, prior relationships, and future promises, that could fetch OKC a deal for Kemba that looks better than what the Celtics got.

I’m sorry, are those intangibles not part of the equation when evaluating a GM?

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, those factors are impossible to quantify making comparisons insubstantial.

Eh, it's totally fair to compare GMs, and their performance, across the league. What I will say is that people are going to need to keep in mind that OKC is free to take on however much salary they need to in order to get additional picks, while Boston's primary goal was cutting salary to retain Fournier and maybe sign another veteran or two.

It does feel like Kemba's going to be flipped with a young swingman or two for a similarly big contract that has an additional year on it plus a pick or two. Certain people are going to cherry-pick the "Brad gave up a pick to unload Kemba and Presti got a pick for Kemba! Awful!" argument when all it really tells you is that a halfway decent first, or two future firsts, is the going rate to get off of $20-30+ million in salary.

[Goldstar88]

nothing other than he doesn't feel constrained to wait until draft day to pull the trigger on a deal.

some people will twist the deal into justifying how they feel about Danny which is what I think you're trying to do.

 Well then you would be wrong.  It's completely natural to have disagreements with draft picks. Free agents choices that your superior makes.

 Brad was not happy with the roster construction.  He knew we needed more size. Getting a 6'10 center and a 7'2" Center for a 5'11" player tells me he thinks we need more size.

Danny was trying to trade Kemba as well, so...

for what? That is the question!!

Jrue Holiday

That would not have solved the Celtics BIGS problem.

Would have solved the Kemba problem, though.