Woj Bomb: Kemba, 1st Rounder, & '25 2nd Rounder to OKC for Horford, Brown, 2nd

[kraidstar]

This Brown kid has some great per-36 stats. 14.5 pts / 15 reb / 1.2 stl / 1.8 blk. His ft% improved to 63% too, which is nice because he gets 5 fta per 36.

His assists per 36 are just .4 though, which is unbelievably bad. That is a red flag imo. Hopefully the coaching staff can help there.

There will be a major adjustment playing on a team with expectations to win

[MattyIce]

I like Horford. I don't like the trade.

Most deals happen on draft night/at the deadline for a reason. Teams are unwilling to lower their asking price prior to the draft night unless they are desperate to make a trade. It's when they run out of time on draft night that they finally compromise regarding their asking price. To put it another way, trade negotiations are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the game. The C's backed down first and they got fleeced. Our rookie GM made a rookie mistake. I miss Danny already.

Welcome Al, but I am with you for most... Not sure that a NY, Pels or Mavs wouldn't crack and give something better for Walker. But not agree for the Ainge missing on this. Our 16* pick lost to get rid of Walker is another illustration of his bad choices lately.
Now we have also to find a way to get rid of Thompson (as Horford and Brown are good 2 and 3 options at C) and we are in a need mindset in the market

Where's the better deal? I don't see it. Al has $27million owed this year, and $26.5 Million which is only 50% guaranteed next season. He's going to contribute. People want to take the one Philly season and pronounce Al washed. To get Moses Brown too is just a cherry on top.

We're about 1.5 month away from draft night. Anything can happen till then. What if the Clips lose to the Jazz and they become desperate (especially since Kawhi has a player option)? What if the Sixers lose to the Hawks and they decide to shake things up? What if the Knicks strike out in free agency and they get interested in Kemba?

Imo, this is an overpay on our part. In a vacuum, Kemba is the best player in the deal. Sure, he's ovepaid, but the same goes for Horford. Really don't think we should have included #16. First round picks are valuable assets.

Agreed the 16th pick is a bad inclusion. Hopefully this is a framework Danny had laid out and not something Brad put together from scratch or else he needs to go.

this deal has been talked about between ainge and presti for months

[Goldstar88]

awful trade

Lol. Yeah, should have just traded him straight up for Luka.   

[Goldstar88]

stunned.  just absolutely stunned.

have to check into Brown to see what he is as a player but thought we'd do better than shipping out Kemba and a first and a second for another overpaid player that's coming to the end of his career and a prospect.  Really appreciated Al when he was here but he's not what he once was.    agree with many here that another shoe is likely to drop regarding either TT or TL having to be moved.

And neither is Kemba. I think many are exaggerating his decline. His numbers this season were very similar to what he did while on the C’s. Many players, in sports in general are now playing longer than ever before. CP3 and Tucker still going strong in the playoffs at 35/36.

[Phantom255x]

This to me feels like a win-win trade for both sides. Like, OKC is the clear winners and it's a fantastic move for them, but considering the circumstances I think Boston made out really well too, especially getting Moses Brown in the package too.

Count me in as another guy just sick of us having and probably using a mid-first rounder lol. Moses Brown might be a better pickup than whoever we drafted there anyways.

I do wonder what the plan will be at PG now. Obviously we've got the whole offseason to figure that out.

[Celtics2021]

For what it’s worth, Horford had a higher real-plus-minus than any Celtic big (including Theis) last year.  Also a higher RAPTOR.  There’s evidence he’s not cooked. Probably does need his minutes managed tho.

[Goldstar88]

I like Horford. I don't like the trade.

Most deals happen on draft night/at the deadline for a reason. Teams are unwilling to lower their asking price prior to the draft night unless they are desperate to make a trade. It's when they run out of time on draft night that they finally compromise regarding their asking price. To put it another way, trade negotiations are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the game. The C's backed down way too early and they got fleeced. Our rookie GM made a rookie mistake. I miss Danny already.

That desperate team was the C’s. Not like they are going to have many options in terms of moving him. Kemba was a negative asset. If I’m Brad, no way I pass up that trade. Moses Brown looks promising Too.

[Goldstar88]

Well that is interesting.

I actually like Moses Brown, makes giving up the 1st a little more palatable.

So current roster

PG - Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Smart, Langford
SF - Brown, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - R. Williams, Horford, Thompson, Brown

Unsigned F.A. - Fournier, Ojeleye, Kornet

Way too many centers and gaping hole at PG.

Pritchard is not ready to start. This would be the ideal starting lineup: Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Timelord
Bench: Pritchard, Fournier, Moses, Nesmith, New bench players

[jambr380]

So it is my understanding that [unless we make/win the Finals], Al's contract is only going to be $14.5M for 22-23. However, due to the potential of his deal, his outgoing salary for matching purposes would still need to count for $26M. Is this correct?

Not overly in love with the deal. I was higher on Kemba than most, but this signals to me that the Cs knew something is more wrong with Kemba's knee than they've let on. The $23M cap savings in 22-23 is a big deal and Moses is an actual decent prospect signed for 3 years (convincing myself he's worth the #16).

It should also give us some flexibility in re-signing Smart, Fournier, and TL. Or trading Smart/TT for a 3rd star. Glad to have Al back in town, but I'll miss Kemba. We are going to need somebody with speed who can break down the defense, even if it is just a no-defense bench player (Ish Smith type). Our backcourt is in a precarious position right now, but I'd imagine at least one more trade is happening with TT or TL.

[Phantom255x]

I like Horford. I don't like the trade.

Most deals happen on draft night/at the deadline for a reason. Teams are unwilling to lower their asking price prior to the draft night unless they are desperate to make a trade. It's when they run out of time on draft night that they finally compromise regarding their asking price. To put it another way, trade negotiations are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the game. The C's backed down way too early and they got fleeced. Our rookie GM made a rookie mistake. I miss Danny already.

That desperate team was the C’s. Not like they are going to have many options in terms of moving him. Kemba was a negative asset. If I’m Brad, no way I pass up that trade. Moses Brown looks promising Too.

Yeah I'm a little surprised at the negative reactions.

Like no offense, but have some people here been living under a rock? 

It's not like teams are just lining up willing to trade for Kemba and his contract lol. To get rid of Kemba you'd have to attach 1-2 pick(s) and/or a young player to sweeten it. Hence the C's gave up #16 and another future pick.

The fact that they got Moses Brown back too is nice. He's a solid center prospect and still young/raw. Horford is a good combination of experience and team-first ability. But also, he has just 2 years left in his contract and the final year is only partially guaranteed. Kemba has 3 years left at 34-36M AAV.

The alternate would have been just keeping Kemba but I'm sure that'd cause this blog to burn down LOL

[spikelovetheCelts]

Glad to see Stevens did not over value the #16 pick. He’s had enough of the Celtics accumulating mediocre young prospects on the bench who leave the coach with nobody who can complement his young stars enough to compete

Your young stars come from picks! Danny Tried to get KD, AD  and PG they did not want to come to Boston. Danny did bad last year but he had a great run.

[CF033]

It's pretty simple IMO. Kemba wanted out and this is the absolute best we could do. I see this as a completely 50/50 swap.

Kemba's knees are done, I doubt he ever plays anything close to a full NBA season again which sucks. No way any NBA team was going to cough up anything of high value for him. IMO even Porzingis would've been very lopsided in our favor and I've always found Porzingis to be an overrated player.

He's a great person and locker room guy but his time here was done. I wish him the best on OKC.

As for the 16th pick I see Moses Brown vs 16th pick as a wash. The 16th pick could be a lot better than him, could be a lot worse. You just never know.

[Goldstar88]

Ha -- 10 assists to 43 turnovers for Moses Brown. Nice AST:TO ratio there.

I know nothing of the man but that is a pretty clear indicator he can't do anything other than catch and finish on offense (low skill guy). Also a very bad sign of long term potential. Reliant on becoming a high end defensive player to avoid being a replacement level big man (easy to get / replace) - just an active body.

The 7’2” center isn’t good at passing. [dang] it!  What was Brad thinking.

[mef730]

Now we just need a point guard

I hear Ben Simmons may be available.

Mike

[Ogaju]

Moses Brown...you cannot coach height..he has a motor..can he stay healthy..you could get some Bynum type production out of him.