Merged: GreenlyGreeny Trade Ideas

[arctic 3.0]

Back in the early days of this blog the sidebar was full of wacky trade ideas. Gradually these threads were replaced with (somewhat) more nuanced conversations.

When the OP started filling up the sidebar i thought the mods solution was great. Dedicated thread, people can choose to read or ignore.

After this last proposal though, I think maybe the thread wasn’t such a good idea… gave the kid too much rope.

[Csfan1984]

Back in the early days of this blog the sidebar was full of wacky trade ideas. Gradually these threads were replaced with (somewhat) more nuanced conversations.

When the OP started filling up the sidebar i thought the mods solution was great. Dedicated thread, people can choose to read or ignore.

After this last proposal though, I think maybe the thread wasn’t such a good idea… gave the kid too much rope.

Needs to spend some time in GM mode on NBA2k to get the trades fever out his system lol

[gouki88]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

[nickagneta]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Also thought the TPE couldn't be used like that. I thought a player had to hit into it, but I may be mistaken.

[RJ87]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Also thought the TPE couldn't be used like that. I thought a player had to hit into it, but I may be mistaken.

You are correct, we can't use the TPE like that. We have to be able to fully absorb the player's salary into it.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Answer: We are not. The 76ers and Trailblazers can make that deal without us if they both wanted to. If that does happen, I think it would be wise of us to buy Simmons at his lowest. If Udoka and Co. could get him to shoot 70% at the line, even 60-65% given his penchant for and-one opportunities when he drives to the basket, we would have a big three all under age 25 with Simmons as our point forward.

If Simmons could just learn to shoot from the line and no longer be afraid to drive to the basket, and be positioned as a point forward, he could become every bit as dominant in this era as Shaq was in the early 2000s. That potential reward is totally worth two first-round picks, Smart and Fournier.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Also thought the TPE couldn't be used like that. I thought a player had to hit into it, but I may be mistaken.

You are correct, we can't use the TPE like that. We have to be able to fully absorb the player's salary into it.

NBA Trade Machine says the numbers work. Maybe we should share our source with them so they can rectify things?

My understanding is that the partial TPE could be used that way. If not, make our outgoing Smart, Fournier and the two first-rounders.

[gouki88]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Answer: We are not. The 76ers and Trailblazers can make that deal without us if they both wanted to. If that does happen, I think it would be wise of us to buy Simmons at his lowest. If Udoka and Co. could get him to shoot 70% at the line, even 60-65% given his penchant for and-one opportunities when he drives to the basket, we would have a big three with Simmons as our point forward. If Simmons could just learn to shoot from the line, not be afraid to drive, and be a point forward, he could be every bit as dominant in this era as Shaq was in the early 2000s. That potential reward is totally worth two first-round picks and Marcus Smart.

Yeah, they can, but in this scenario we are enabling it.

Also, you realise how long people have been talking about Simmons like that? No coach has been able to get through to him, and as far as I'm aware Ime is not the sports psychologist needed to get Simmons to the level you're talking about.

It's pretty absurd that we're talking about somehow making an NBA player "not afraid to drive"... that is insane! If they're afraid to drive they have more pressing concerns than coaching.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Answer: We are not. The 76ers and Trailblazers can make that deal without us if they both wanted to. If that does happen, I think it would be wise of us to buy Simmons at his lowest. If Udoka and Co. could get him to shoot 70% at the line, even 60-65% given his penchant for and-one opportunities when he drives to the basket, we would have a big three with Simmons as our point forward. If Simmons could just learn to shoot from the line, not be afraid to drive, and be a point forward, he could be every bit as dominant in this era as Shaq was in the early 2000s. That potential reward is totally worth two first-round picks and Marcus Smart.

Yeah, they can, but in this scenario we are enabling it.

Also, you realise how long people have been talking about Simmons like that? No coach has been able to get through to him, and as far as I'm aware Ime is not the sports psychologist needed to get Simmons to the level you're talking about.

It's pretty absurd that we're talking about somehow making an NBA player "not afraid to drive"... that is insane! If they're afraid to drive they have more pressing concerns than coaching.

Brad will ensure we get him the best sports psychologist on the planet. Plus, pay enormous bucks to a couple retired players who always shot great from the line and their sole goal is to coach and work at practice on Simmons’ throwing. He may actually put in the work after being humiliated by being dumped on Portland and then bought low by the 76ers biggest rival.

[gouki88]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Answer: We are not. The 76ers and Trailblazers can make that deal without us if they both wanted to. If that does happen, I think it would be wise of us to buy Simmons at his lowest. If Udoka and Co. could get him to shoot 70% at the line, even 60-65% given his penchant for and-one opportunities when he drives to the basket, we would have a big three with Simmons as our point forward. If Simmons could just learn to shoot from the line, not be afraid to drive, and be a point forward, he could be every bit as dominant in this era as Shaq was in the early 2000s. That potential reward is totally worth two first-round picks and Marcus Smart.

Yeah, they can, but in this scenario we are enabling it.

Also, you realise how long people have been talking about Simmons like that? No coach has been able to get through to him, and as far as I'm aware Ime is not the sports psychologist needed to get Simmons to the level you're talking about.

It's pretty absurd that we're talking about somehow making an NBA player "not afraid to drive"... that is insane! If they're afraid to drive they have more pressing concerns than coaching.

Brad will ensure we get him the best sports psychologist on the planet. Plus, pay enormous bucks to a couple retired players who always shot great from the line and their sole goal is to coach and work at practice on Simmons’ throwing. He may actually put in the work after being humiliated by being dumped on Portland and then bought low by the 76ers biggest rival.

You're making a big assumption that has no backing - that Simmons will do the work

[GreenlyGreeny]

Back in the early days of this blog the sidebar was full of wacky trade ideas. Gradually these threads were replaced with (somewhat) more nuanced conversations.

When the OP started filling up the sidebar i thought the mods solution was great. Dedicated thread, people can choose to read or ignore.

After this last proposal though, I think maybe the thread wasn’t such a good idea… gave the kid too much rope.

Just passionate and trying to think outside-the-box. I was the first to bring up Kemba for Horford back in the Fall 🤷‍♂️

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Answer: We are not. The 76ers and Trailblazers can make that deal without us if they both wanted to. If that does happen, I think it would be wise of us to buy Simmons at his lowest. If Udoka and Co. could get him to shoot 70% at the line, even 60-65% given his penchant for and-one opportunities when he drives to the basket, we would have a big three with Simmons as our point forward. If Simmons could just learn to shoot from the line, not be afraid to drive, and be a point forward, he could be every bit as dominant in this era as Shaq was in the early 2000s. That potential reward is totally worth two first-round picks and Marcus Smart.

Yeah, they can, but in this scenario we are enabling it.

Also, you realise how long people have been talking about Simmons like that? No coach has been able to get through to him, and as far as I'm aware Ime is not the sports psychologist needed to get Simmons to the level you're talking about.

It's pretty absurd that we're talking about somehow making an NBA player "not afraid to drive"... that is insane! If they're afraid to drive they have more pressing concerns than coaching.

Brad will ensure we get him the best sports psychologist on the planet. Plus, pay enormous bucks to a couple retired players who always shot great from the line and their sole goal is to coach and work at practice on Simmons’ throwing. He may actually put in the work after being humiliated by being dumped on Portland and then bought low by the 76ers biggest rival.

You're making a big assumption that has no backing - that Simmons will do the work

Agree, but one usually needs to take risks to reap rewards. Worst-case scenario, he does not put in the work and after a couple seasons we ship him west for a pick or use him in a S&T for one of the members of the elite 2023 free agent class. Best-case scenario, we create a dynasty led by Jayson, Jaylen and Simmons. The latter, even if it is only 5-10% likely, is extremely attractive; dynasties is what this franchise is all about, not making it to the ECF.

[gouki88]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.

Why on earth are we enabling a Joel Embiid & Damian Lillard duo in our division??

Answer: We are not. The 76ers and Trailblazers can make that deal without us if they both wanted to. If that does happen, I think it would be wise of us to buy Simmons at his lowest. If Udoka and Co. could get him to shoot 70% at the line, even 60-65% given his penchant for and-one opportunities when he drives to the basket, we would have a big three with Simmons as our point forward. If Simmons could just learn to shoot from the line, not be afraid to drive, and be a point forward, he could be every bit as dominant in this era as Shaq was in the early 2000s. That potential reward is totally worth two first-round picks and Marcus Smart.

Yeah, they can, but in this scenario we are enabling it.

Also, you realise how long people have been talking about Simmons like that? No coach has been able to get through to him, and as far as I'm aware Ime is not the sports psychologist needed to get Simmons to the level you're talking about.

It's pretty absurd that we're talking about somehow making an NBA player "not afraid to drive"... that is insane! If they're afraid to drive they have more pressing concerns than coaching.

Brad will ensure we get him the best sports psychologist on the planet. Plus, pay enormous bucks to a couple retired players who always shot great from the line and their sole goal is to coach and work at practice on Simmons’ throwing. He may actually put in the work after being humiliated by being dumped on Portland and then bought low by the 76ers biggest rival.

You're making a big assumption that has no backing - that Simmons will do the work

Agree, but one usually needs to take risks to reap rewards. Worst-case scenario, he does not put in the work and after a couple seasons we ship him west for a pick or use him in a S&T for one of the members of the elite 2023 free agent class. Best-case scenario, we create a dynasty led by Jayson, Jaylen and Simmons. The latter, even if it is only 5-10% likely, is extremely attractive; dynasties is what this franchise is all about, not making it to the ECF.

I would rather use this off-season to target those free agency periods than punt on Simmons in the meantime. Short term high money deal for Fournier so he expires when we can stretch Horford.

Aim for Jokic or Embiid

[GreenlyGreeny]

Think about it this way: Shaq was dominant even if his best season at the line was only 62% with a career average of 53%. Simmons just has to drive and exclusively shoot from the paint as a point forward to become as dominant as Shaq in this new era. His career average is already 56%. Shaq improved from sub-50 to 62% in his prime, so there’s evidence someone can move their FT percentage up 12-15% later in their career. Plus, whenever you face elite bigs you just keep going down low with Simmons early on until those elite bigs are in foul trouble. They crowd the paint, dish out to one of the Jays with your elite passer point forward. It could become a match-up nightmare for the rest of the NBA, frankly.

[gouki88]

Think about it this way: Shaq was dominant even if his best season at the line was only 62% with a career average of 53%. Simmons just has to drive and exclusively shoot from the paint as a point forward to become as dominant as Shaq in this new era. His career average is already 56%. Shaq improved from sub-50 to 62% in his prime, so there’s evidence someone can move their FT percentage up 12-15% later in their career. Plus, whenever you face elite bigs you just keep going down low with Simmons early on until those elite bigs are in foul trouble.

There's no comparison between Shaq and Simmons, just like there's no comparison between Giannis and Simmons. Both of those two are much more damaging athletes, and Giannis is a much superior shooter.

I really do not know why you're trying to get excited about Simmons when he's been nothing but a colossal disappointment his entire career.