Merged: GreenlyGreeny Trade Ideas

[GreenlyGreeny]

I’ll try to keep it to one idea every 2-4 weeks. I cannot help being passionate and 99% certain we cannot improve without moving Brown.

Rumor has it that Zion wants out. If that’s definitely true, you make a Harden-esque trade for him by including Brown and picks. Whatever it takes. If we are able to pair Tatum with Zion and a supporting cast of good defenders, it’s hard to see how we would not win it all.

[gouki88]

I’ll try to keep it to one idea every 2-4 weeks. I cannot help being passionate and 99% certain we cannot improve without moving Brown.

Rumor has it that Zion wants out. If that’s definitely true, you make a Harden-esque trade for him by including Brown and picks. Whatever it takes. If we are able to pair Tatum with Zion and a supporting cast of good defenders, it’s hard to see how we would not win it all.

Why would we have to give up that much? You realise the Harden package involved absolutely nothing close to Brown, right?

[ausbacker]

I’ll try to keep it to one idea every 2-4 weeks. I cannot help being passionate and 99% certain we cannot improve without moving Brown.

Rumor has it that Zion wants out. If that’s definitely true, you make a Harden-esque trade for him by including Brown and picks. Whatever it takes. If we are able to pair Tatum with Zion and a supporting cast of good defenders, it’s hard to see how we would not win it all.

Basketball doesn't strike me as the #1 priority for Zion and his entourage which means they'll want Los Angeles or New York for the big market opportunities and honestly, they're welcome to him. He's a fine young talent but the hype seems somewhat extreme and question marks over his body's long-term ability will persist.

[tazzmaniac]

I’ll try to keep it to one idea every 2-4 weeks. I cannot help being passionate and 99% certain we cannot improve without moving Brown.

Rumor has it that Zion wants out. If that’s definitely true, you make a Harden-esque trade for him by including Brown and picks. Whatever it takes. If we are able to pair Tatum with Zion and a supporting cast of good defenders, it’s hard to see how we would not win it all.

Why would we have to give up that much? You realise the Harden package involved absolutely nothing close to Brown, right?

Zion is worth more than Harden.  You're not going to get him for Brown straight up.  Not that I think there is any chance that NOP trades him.   

[gouki88]

I’ll try to keep it to one idea every 2-4 weeks. I cannot help being passionate and 99% certain we cannot improve without moving Brown.

Rumor has it that Zion wants out. If that’s definitely true, you make a Harden-esque trade for him by including Brown and picks. Whatever it takes. If we are able to pair Tatum with Zion and a supporting cast of good defenders, it’s hard to see how we would not win it all.

Why would we have to give up that much? You realise the Harden package involved absolutely nothing close to Brown, right?

Zion is worth more than Harden.  You're not going to get him for Brown straight up.  Not that I think there is any chance that NOP trades him.

I’m not sure that there’s much of a difference. Harden is a perennial MVP candidate and Zion might one day be that, injuries permitting.

The whole premise is flawed

[GreenlyGreeny]

How about this idea:

BOS In: CJ McCollum
BOS Out: Fournier, TT, Robert Williams, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Note: Or 2022/2024 1sts instead if the timing of the Kemba trade permits those instead of 2023/2025.

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
McCollum/Langford
J. Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/M. Brown/Kornet

Basically rolling with a Big 3 of Tatum, Brown and McCollum, with Horford and Smart (a must re-sign) as the expensive supporting defensive columns. Lot of promising youth in Moses, Nesmith, Langford and Pritchard. That said, perhaps we would need to secure an MLE PG, someone like TJ McConnell.

Note: If a Fournier S&T is not feasible for whatever reason, substitute Smart for Fournier as a re-signing (we would definitely need a MLE PG in that scenario, though, as it does not appear obvious that Pritchard is ready to be our starter, and clearly Madar/Edwards are third string PGs at this stage).
Is this roster good enough to win it all, though?

[Csfan1984]

How about this idea:

BOS In: CJ McCollum
BOS Out: Fournier, TT, Robert Williams, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Note: Or 2022/2024 1sts instead if the timing of the Kemba trade permits those instead of 2023/2025.

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
McCollum/Langford
J. Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/M. Brown/Kornet

Basically rolling with a Big 3 of Tatum, Brown and McCollum, with Horford and Smart (a must re-sign) as the expensive supporting defensive columns. Lot of promising youth in Moses, Nesmith, Langford and Pritchard. That said, perhaps we would need to secure an MLE PG, someone like TJ McConnell.

Note: If a Fournier S&T is not feasible for whatever reason, substitute Smart for Fournier as a re-signing (we would definitely need a MLE PG in that scenario, though, as it does not appear obvious that Pritchard is ready to be our starter, and clearly Madar/Edwards are third string PGs at this stage).
Is this roster good enough to win it all, though?

Call me crazy but I got TL and Fournier>McCollum that's without picks and TT thrown in. So pass.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

How about this idea:

BOS In: CJ McCollum
BOS Out: Fournier, TT, Robert Williams, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Note: Or 2022/2024 1sts instead if the timing of the Kemba trade permits those instead of 2023/2025.

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
McCollum/Langford
J. Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/M. Brown/Kornet

Basically rolling with a Big 3 of Tatum, Brown and McCollum, with Horford and Smart (a must re-sign) as the expensive supporting defensive columns. Lot of promising youth in Moses, Nesmith, Langford and Pritchard. That said, perhaps we would need to secure an MLE PG, someone like TJ McConnell.

Note: If a Fournier S&T is not feasible for whatever reason, substitute Smart for Fournier as a re-signing (we would definitely need a MLE PG in that scenario, though, as it does not appear obvious that Pritchard is ready to be our starter, and clearly Madar/Edwards are third string PGs at this stage).
Is this roster good enough to win it all, though?

Call me crazy but I got TL and Fournier>McCollum that's without picks and TT thrown in. So pass.

I don't necessarily agree, but I'm not sure what McCollum gains us? He doesn't make his teammates better, and from GMBS comments that matters a lot to this team-building.

And why would the Blazers do that, unless they think Williams is really, really special? Who is going to score on that team other than Lillard? The Blazers get worse. The Celtics get worse. Classic lose-lose-lose.

[Csfan1984]

How about this idea:

BOS In: CJ McCollum
BOS Out: Fournier, TT, Robert Williams, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Note: Or 2022/2024 1sts instead if the timing of the Kemba trade permits those instead of 2023/2025.

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
McCollum/Langford
J. Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/M. Brown/Kornet

Basically rolling with a Big 3 of Tatum, Brown and McCollum, with Horford and Smart (a must re-sign) as the expensive supporting defensive columns. Lot of promising youth in Moses, Nesmith, Langford and Pritchard. That said, perhaps we would need to secure an MLE PG, someone like TJ McConnell.

Note: If a Fournier S&T is not feasible for whatever reason, substitute Smart for Fournier as a re-signing (we would definitely need a MLE PG in that scenario, though, as it does not appear obvious that Pritchard is ready to be our starter, and clearly Madar/Edwards are third string PGs at this stage).
Is this roster good enough to win it all, though?

Call me crazy but I got TL and Fournier>McCollum that's without picks and TT thrown in. So pass.

I don't necessarily agree, but I'm not sure what McCollum gains us? He doesn't make his teammates better, and from GMBS comments that matters a lot to this team-building.

That's why I like TL and Fournier more. They have better defense and play off the ball. Much better fits with the Jays. McCollum is a scorer who is also streaky. He would be good on a team lacking a offense, but you need very good defense next to him. He is a better shooting Kemba but less ball handling skills so maybe a team like Pelicans could use him.

[gouki88]

How about this idea:

BOS In: CJ McCollum
BOS Out: Fournier, TT, Robert Williams, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Note: Or 2022/2024 1sts instead if the timing of the Kemba trade permits those instead of 2023/2025.

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
McCollum/Langford
J. Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/M. Brown/Kornet

Basically rolling with a Big 3 of Tatum, Brown and McCollum, with Horford and Smart (a must re-sign) as the expensive supporting defensive columns. Lot of promising youth in Moses, Nesmith, Langford and Pritchard. That said, perhaps we would need to secure an MLE PG, someone like TJ McConnell.

Note: If a Fournier S&T is not feasible for whatever reason, substitute Smart for Fournier as a re-signing (we would definitely need a MLE PG in that scenario, though, as it does not appear obvious that Pritchard is ready to be our starter, and clearly Madar/Edwards are third string PGs at this stage).
Is this roster good enough to win it all, though?

Call me crazy but I got TL and Fournier>McCollum that's without picks and TT thrown in. So pass.

I don't necessarily agree, but I'm not sure what McCollum gains us? He doesn't make his teammates better, and from GMBS comments that matters a lot to this team-building.

That's why I like TL and Fournier more. They have better defense and play off the ball. Much better fits with the Jays. McCollum is a scorer who is also streaky. He would be good on a team lacking a offense, but you need very good defense next to him. He is a better shooting Kemba but less ball handling skills so maybe a team like Pelicans could use him.

McCollum needs to be the lead guard to be most effective, as we've seen with how elite he is without Lillard, but I don't think that would be his role here

[Moranis]

How about this idea:

BOS In: CJ McCollum
BOS Out: Fournier, TT, Robert Williams, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Note: Or 2022/2024 1sts instead if the timing of the Kemba trade permits those instead of 2023/2025.

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
McCollum/Langford
J. Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/M. Brown/Kornet

Basically rolling with a Big 3 of Tatum, Brown and McCollum, with Horford and Smart (a must re-sign) as the expensive supporting defensive columns. Lot of promising youth in Moses, Nesmith, Langford and Pritchard. That said, perhaps we would need to secure an MLE PG, someone like TJ McConnell.

Note: If a Fournier S&T is not feasible for whatever reason, substitute Smart for Fournier as a re-signing (we would definitely need a MLE PG in that scenario, though, as it does not appear obvious that Pritchard is ready to be our starter, and clearly Madar/Edwards are third string PGs at this stage).
Is this roster good enough to win it all, though?

Call me crazy but I got TL and Fournier>McCollum that's without picks and TT thrown in. So pass.

I don't necessarily agree, but I'm not sure what McCollum gains us? He doesn't make his teammates better, and from GMBS comments that matters a lot to this team-building.

That's why I like TL and Fournier more. They have better defense and play off the ball. Much better fits with the Jays. McCollum is a scorer who is also streaky. He would be good on a team lacking a offense, but you need very good defense next to him. He is a better shooting Kemba but less ball handling skills so maybe a team like Pelicans could use him.

McCollum needs to be the lead guard to be most effective, as we've seen with how elite he is without Lillard, but I don't think that would be his role here

The last 5 seasons McCollum has essentially averaged 22/4/4 shooting 39.4% from 3, 49.4% from 2, and 83.0% from 1 on 18.5 attempts a game.  I think he'd be just fine here in that 2nd/3rd scorer role especially if he was taking shots from guys like Smart. 

Fournier doesn't make sense in the trade package though as it would be difficult to work a sign and trade for him (the Blazers would be fairly close to the apron depending on the amount), plus add all of the other components of the trade.  So I think it would have to be Smart instead of Fournier.  I'd still do it, but the team is a bit more offensive based (assuming Fournier also comes back). 

[GreenlyGreeny]

If not McCollum, let’s say Dame tells Portland he wants out (and McCollum is willing to stay and be their new PG). Would you go for this trade and who can beat it (add 2027 1st and/or swaps if necessary):

BOS In: Dame Lillard
BOS Out: Jaylen Brown, Robert Williams, Tristan Thompson, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Only ups our payroll by $1.1 million and gives us a championship-caliber duo while getting Jaylen closer to home on a good franchise that he can lead as The Man (and Dame is only 30, and I’d bet on him having the longevity of Chris Paul, if not John Stockton):

Lillard/Pritchard/Edwards
Smart/Langford
Fournier/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/Grant Williams
Horford/Moses

Still not a fan of the depth, so would want to see us add some cheap veterans, at the very least a 5/4 and a 3/2 (and move GWill, Edwards and our 2021 2nd for a solid role-player at 4/5). Would be open to a sign-and-trade of Fournier if it got us a starting PF, so we can move Tatum back to the 3 where he belongs.

Stay fiscally conservative, and we could potentially head into the 2023 off-season (loaded with superstars headlined by Jokic) with only Dame, Tatum and Moses (and Nesmith/Pritchard if they continue to develop) on the roster, so enough cap room to create a Big 3. Can you imagine Jokic, Tatum and Lillard as a big three? Every ring-chasing vet would sign-up for those runs. Thoughts?

[GreenlyGreeny]

Bring back the band idea (if Stevens really is committed to a core of Tatum, Brown and Smart):

Trade 1: TT, Grant Williams, Edwards, TPE, 2021 2nd and 2023 2nd for Rozier, with an immediate extension signed by Rozier

Trade 2: Fournier sign-and-trade for Hayward

Veteran minimum signing: IT
Coming out of retirement at age 32: Evan Turner

Rozier/Pritchard/IT
Smart/Langford
Brown/Nesmith/Turner
Tatum/Hayward/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

Add a MLE at 2/1 for added depth. Stash Madar for one more season. Extend Smart. Give the team 2021-2022 and 2022-2023 to win it all. If they can’t, move everyone we need to move in the 2023 off-season to add a marquee free agent alongside Tatum and Brown.

This may be the best move of all if Tatum and Brown continue to develop…

[Big333223]

BOS In: Dame Lillard
BOS Out: Jaylen Brown, Robert Williams, Tristan Thompson, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

Am I crazy if I'd rather have Brown and Williams than Dame?

Dame is obviously the better player but the NBA is lousy with pg's. It's harder to find two-way wings and elite big men. Brown is a two-way wing and an all star and 6 years younger.

Timelord's health is a huge concern (and a legit reason to want to move on from him) but when he's healthy, he's an elite rebounder, passer, rim protector, and finisher on offense. He's still only 23 and has shown he's a worker. I'd rather roll the dice with him.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another idea if the Trailblazers want a ton of picks and/or Dame wants to join Embiid:

BOS In: Simmons
BOS Out: Smart, Thompson, Remaining TPE, 2023 1st, 2025 1st

PHI In: Lillard
PHI Out: Simmons, Maxey, 2022 1st, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st

POR In: Maxey, Smart, Thompson, PHI 2022 1st, BOS 2023 1st, PHI 2024 1st, BOS 2025 1st, PHI 2026 1st, 1st round swaps with PHI in 2023 and 2025

Ups our salaries by $9.4 million. This is seizing the opportunity to buy very low on an elite defender/rebounder who needs to stop being treated as a guard, so our lineup with Simmons as our point forward and essentially two 2’s as our backcourt:

Fournier/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Moses

The key: Forcing Simmons to endlessly practice shooting from the line until he’s consistently 70% in live games. With that type of FT shooting percentage, Simmons could become as dominant in this small ball era as Shaq was in the league 20 years ago.