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Re: If Brown is Next, How About Brown for Picks and Love?
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2021, 05:07:13 PM »

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BOS Out: Jaylen Brown
BOS In: Kevin Love, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st

Why: After the contracts for Love and Horford expire in the 2023 off-season, we’ll have cap space to offer a max to Jokic, who would raise his profile joining the Celtics such that endorsements would offset not choosing the supermax. Plus, he improves his chances of a title/dynasty with Tatum and Co. In addition, we get four unprotected firsts in the distant future to rebuild our youth with (given McCollum’s and Lillard’s ages, there’s a good chance the last two of these picks could be top five picks).

CLE Out: Kevin Love, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st
CLE In: CJ McCollum

Why: They want to dump Love, which is going to require a first, and they want a great second option which they would get in McCollum. We would be banking on the Cavs stinking in 2024 and 2026 whereas they would be betting the opposite.

POR Out: CJ McCollum, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st
POR In: Jaylen Brown

Why: They need to do something to give Lillard a shot at a title, and McCollum’s contract is definitely seen as a net negative. Plus, Brown is a younger guy they can continue to build around even once Lillard declines in 3-4 years.

Thoughts? Our roster would look like this (frankly think Love and Horford are adequate replacements for Brown this season, maybe next) and we’d now have quite the arsenal of first-round picks the next half decade:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar
Fournier/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Love/Parker
Horford/Moses

Guys on the trading block (and if a superstar becomes available, we have the draft picks to get them): TT, Timelord, GWill, Edwards

2022 BOS 1st
2023 BOS 1st
2023 POR 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 CLE 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 POR 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 CLE 1st

This is not a good idea.  If you are going to trade Brown to rebuild you might as well trade Tatum as well.  Move Smart.  Don't resign fournier and pray to the basketball gods that we can find our next Tatum and Brown.  Or we can just keep Tatum and Brown and try to find complimentary vets to build around them.

This is not a rebuild: Fournier, Horford and Love give us just as much as we got out of Brown and Fournier this season. This move provides another facilitator, and most importantly a ton of cap space to pursue Jokic and others in the near-future. Tatum gets to move back to the three and Fournier actually resigns knowing he’s a starter. Plus, we now have the ammo that will be needed if a superstar becomes disgruntled and available (can definitely see a scenario where we move Love and some of these picks for KAT, while still having room for Jokic in 2023).

And there are obvious signs Brown and Tatum do not play well together as a duo. Furthermore, whispers are beginning that Walker and Brown were the ringleaders of the locker room issues with Stevens. In light of that, think we should all prepare for Jaylen’s departure.

Re: If Brown is Next, How About Brown for Picks and Love?
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2021, 05:28:41 PM »

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“frankly think Love and Horford are adequate replacements for Brown this season, maybe next,…”

Ah. No. Not even close.

Also, this trade makes no sense for Boston.

Re: If Brown is Next, How About Brown for Picks and Love?
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2021, 05:31:27 PM »

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If we are trading Brown we better be getting some one like Beal,KAT,Lillard, in return. Dude is a 20+ ppg scorer shots over 40% from deep and is our second best defender next to Smart. He was clearly missed in the playoffs. Love is not great anymore, at least not for the money he's being payed.

I'd even get trading Brown for Collins and moving Tatum to the SF spot were he can use his length better, and it puts Brown in his home town. But were getting a pick too.

I don't see out side of Beal(cause its Tatums friend) or KAT that they would trade Brown, I think the plan is to build around them and bring in an other star. Which is a Big reason for the Kemba trade so they can do that next year for some one like Beal whos available next summer.

Re: If Brown is Next, How About Brown for Picks and Love?
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2021, 05:31:55 PM »

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“frankly think Love and Horford are adequate replacements for Brown this season, maybe next,…”

Ah. No. Not even close.

Also, this trade makes no sense for Boston.

How does four first-round picks for Brown, and eating the end of Love’s contract (he’s still only 32), not make sense? We are the prime team to land a max free agent in 2023, a loaded free agency class, with this move. A move like this may be the only way to possibly land Jokic in two years. If Jokic (who may be the best player in the league now) joins Tatum and a serviceable supporting  cast, we’re favorites for the title.

Re: If Brown is Next, How About Brown for Picks and Love?
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2021, 05:35:33 PM »

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 As Matumbo would say, Not today!!

Re: If Brown is Next, How About Brown for Picks and Love?
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2021, 05:35:53 PM »

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BOS Out: Jaylen Brown
BOS In: Kevin Love, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st

Why: After the contracts for Love and Horford expire in the 2023 off-season, we’ll have cap space to offer a max to Jokic, who would raise his profile joining the Celtics such that endorsements would offset not choosing the supermax. Plus, he improves his chances of a title/dynasty with Tatum and Co. The 2023 off-season is slated to be loaded with stars, so there’s still Plan B, Plan C, etc. In addition, we get four unprotected firsts in the distant future to rebuild our youth with (given McCollum’s and Lillard’s ages, there’s a good chance the last two of these picks could become top five picks if Cleveland and Portland botch their next moves). Love, just like Horford, is a high-character guy who can facilitate, which is something we’ve sorely missed. In addition, we can finally get Tatum back to the three where he belongs.

CLE Out: Kevin Love, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st
CLE In: CJ McCollum

Why: They want to dump Love, which is going to require a first, and they want a great second option which they would get in McCollum. We would be banking on the Cavs stinking in 2024 and 2026 whereas they would be betting the opposite.

POR Out: CJ McCollum, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st
POR In: Jaylen Brown

Why: They need to do something to give Lillard a shot at a title, and McCollum’s contract is definitely seen as a net negative. Plus, Brown is a younger guy they can continue to build around even once Lillard declines in 3-4 years.

Thoughts? Our roster would look like this (frankly think Love and Horford are adequate replacements for Brown this season, maybe next, and they definitely facilitate better than him…Assuming we re-sign Fournier, of course):

Smart/Pritchard/Madar
Fournier/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Love/Parker
Horford/Moses

Guys on the trading block (and if a superstar becomes available this year or next, we now have the draft picks to get them): TT, Timelord, GWill, Edwards

We would now have quite the arsenal of first-round picks the next half decade:

2022 BOS 1st
2023 BOS 1st
2023 POR 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 CLE 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 POR 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 CLE 1st
Why indeed.

Re: If Brown is Next, How About Brown for Picks and Love?
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2021, 05:46:26 PM »

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I have nothing positive to say about this suggestion.

Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2021, 06:41:06 PM »

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If the team lucky enough to draft Evan Mobley with the first or second overall pick was willing to give us his rights straight-up for Jaylen Brown, would you do the deal?

If you have a knee-jerk reaction of “no way!” before learning about this generational talent, check out these:

https://youtu.be/tJsXnw_NEss

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YbHIPNF1aeA

This guy could be the guy we need to pair with Tatum.
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Re: Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2021, 06:43:54 PM »

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No. 

Why trade Brown for a rookie that may reach his level unless.we are hoping to get Tatum to demand a trade?


Can your next Brown trade at least dream of a multiple time all nba teamer? 

Re: Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2021, 06:44:21 PM »

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If the team lucky enough to draft Evan Mobley with the first or second overall pick was willing to give us his rights straight-up for Jaylen Brown, would you do the deal?

If you have a knee-jerk reaction of “no way!” before learning about this generational talent, check out this:

https://youtu.be/tJsXnw_NEss

This guy could be the guy we need to pair with Tatum.

This is not remotely going to happen. Money does fit, etc...

Re: Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2021, 06:46:13 PM »

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I don’t think I would trade Brown for Mobley and another top-five pick.

Why do we have one or two “generational talent”s every draft?  Lol @ Kareem and Russell comparisons.  I’m dumber for having watched the first 30 seconds of that video.


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Re: Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2021, 06:50:52 PM »

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No. 

Why trade Brown for a rookie that may reach his level unless.we are hoping to get Tatum to demand a trade?


Can your next Brown trade at least dream of a multiple time all nba teamer?

The answer is simple: Brown is good with a shot at being great; Mobley is good with a shot at being an all-time great. It’s like choosing between Glen Rice and Shaq in 1992: Glen was coming off his third season with 22 PPG and Shaq showed the promise of being a generational talent.

Obviously everybody knows what the right pick would be.

Re: Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2021, 06:53:47 PM »

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Yes…Mobley is a Trojan, Brown is a Bear.  Trojans>Bears.

Re: Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2021, 06:57:15 PM »

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What is the fascination with trading a sure thing for a lottery ticket, who is more than likely going to be an inferior player... I wouldn’t  trade Jaylen Brown for any player in the draft. He’s a 24 year old,
Two way all star wing player, which is the most important position in the NBA.
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Re: Jaylen Brown for Evan Mobley?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2021, 06:59:04 PM »

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No. 

Why trade Brown for a rookie that may reach his level unless.we are hoping to get Tatum to demand a trade?


Can your next Brown trade at least dream of a multiple time all nba teamer?

The answer is simple: Brown is good with a shot at being great; Mobley is good with a shot at being an all-time great. It’s like choosing between Glen Rice and Shaq in 1992: Glen was coming off his third season with 22 PPG and Shaq showed the promise of being a generational talent.

Obviously everybody knows what the right pick would be.

And yet, “Shaq” in this case isn’t dominant enough to get picked first, in a sport that favors big over small.


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER——— AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!@ 34 minutes