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Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2021, 06:17:02 PM »

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All I can find that seem like reasonable or at least possible trades are:

Porzingis
Wall
Horford
Love

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2021, 06:20:00 PM »

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Buyout.  Blake Griffin set the precedent.

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2021, 06:43:17 PM »

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All I can find that seem like reasonable or at least possible trades are:

Porzingis
Wall
Horford
Love

I would make a swap for any of those.
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Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2021, 06:51:37 PM »

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Buyout.  Blake Griffin set the precedent.

That precedent has Blake Griffin keeping over $60 million and staying on the Pistons cap through next year.  If you want that, you’d be alone here.

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2021, 07:01:39 PM »

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Great news ! 

Send him on down the road .  He was all,but worn out when he got here …. 

He pulled a whopper on the Celtics  ,  good for Danny for trying to dump his sorry ugh.

Well ….I’m happy Danny tried to fix the crookery ….he tried to right his last blunder job






Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2021, 07:33:00 PM »

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Boy, the Kemba hate is strong. The guy has done nothing but work his ass off to be as good as he can be and has averaged 19/5/4 with slightly above average efficiency in his time here and people just want to buy him out/salary dump him/trade him for role players.

He is one of the most likeable athletes to come into Boston in years and everyone is dumping on him. I don't get it.

You want to package him and picks and youth for an upgrade, that I get. Just ditching him because....I don't know....he represents everything that went wrong this year in the minds of many, that I do not get.

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2021, 07:36:20 PM »

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Sources: Both the Boston Celtics and Kemba Walker want a breakup. The team tried trading him once in 2020, and it put a strain on the relationship since then.

https://twitter.com/farbod_e/status/1402674762170568707?s=21

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A source close to Walker said he was hurt by Boston's efforts to trade him, which created a rift in the Walker-Ainge relationship. Walker has a great relationship with his teammates and looked forward to being a veteran mentor to Tatum and Brown, but the same can't be said about Walker and the front office. He no longer feels wanted.

I saw that post too, but I think the whole ‘report’ is rubbish.

When a non-reputable journalist publishes an insider report without listing their source, it’s worthless information in my eyes.


TP

Certainly doesn't look like a credible report to me. Seems like a lot of this the last few days.

Well, it’s been what, 8hrs since this was first reported? Haven’t heard anything out of Kemba saying that it’s not true. All I see is more and more sites stating that both sides want to move on.
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Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2021, 08:05:18 PM »

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I remember last year when Kanter danced with joy and celebrated as the trade deadline passed and he was still a Celtic. That’s a guy who gets it. I mean how are GMs supposed to do their jobs when players resent being mentioned in trade rumors?

Perhaps this is one reasons why Danny stepped down. He’s just too old school to deal with players’ hurt egos. Today’s NBA has really become a players’ league I guess.

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2021, 08:18:09 PM »

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Boy, the Kemba hate is strong. The guy has done nothing but work his ass off to be as good as he can be and has averaged 19/5/4 with slightly above average efficiency in his time here and people just want to buy him out/salary dump him/trade him for role players.

He is one of the most likeable athletes to come into Boston in years and everyone is dumping on him. I don't get it.

You want to package him and picks and youth for an upgrade, that I get. Just ditching him because....I don't know....he represents everything that went wrong this year in the minds of many, that I do not get.

The fanbase is entitled and toxic. From the "Average Al" talk to that plagued Horford, to folks admonishing Hayward and Kemba due to injuries, to fans ready to throw two good young All-Stars in Tatum & Brown under the bus. No one is worthy anymore. There has always been this undeserved narrative that top players don't want to play in Boston, that's going to eventually be true and it won't be because of the franchise itself.
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C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2021, 09:05:07 PM »

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Boy, the Kemba hate is strong. The guy has done nothing but work his ass off to be as good as he can be and has averaged 19/5/4 with slightly above average efficiency in his time here and people just want to buy him out/salary dump him/trade him for role players.

He is one of the most likeable athletes to come into Boston in years and everyone is dumping on him. I don't get it.

You want to package him and picks and youth for an upgrade, that I get. Just ditching him because....I don't know....he represents everything that went wrong this year in the minds of many, that I do not get.

People don’t have hate for Kemba as a person. He’s just not a good fit and the C’s are essentially paying a Lou Williams type player $36M a year. Time to move on from that.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2021, 09:25:17 PM »

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Kemba for Love.

Sign me up.

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2021, 09:27:38 PM »

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I really appreciate the people who have come out in defense of Kemba. He’s not broken. He’s a guy with knee issues who’s nearly a 20 ppg scorer and who started the all star game in 2020. He’s a good teammate who has virtually no ego. You don’t dump players like that unless it clearly makes your team better. Otherwise you wait a year, see if he’s able to get that knee healthy, and if not you’ve got an expiring contract that’s much easier to move.

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2021, 09:28:02 PM »

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Boy, the Kemba hate is strong. The guy has done nothing but work his ass off to be as good as he can be and has averaged 19/5/4 with slightly above average efficiency in his time here and people just want to buy him out/salary dump him/trade him for role players.

He is one of the most likeable athletes to come into Boston in years and everyone is dumping on him. I don't get it.

You want to package him and picks and youth for an upgrade, that I get. Just ditching him because....I don't know....he represents everything that went wrong this year in the minds of many, that I do not get.

The fanbase is entitled and toxic. From the "Average Al" talk to that plagued Horford, to folks admonishing Hayward and Kemba due to injuries, to fans ready to throw two good young All-Stars in Tatum & Brown under the bus. No one is worthy anymore. There has always been this undeserved narrative that top players don't want to play in Boston, that's going to eventually be true and it won't be because of the franchise itself.

Yeah, it's kinda interesting cuz we Celts fans have a rep around the league for this too.

We might've just had the worst year ever, injury-wise, for a starting 5. After being hailed as potential contenders. Yet all that gets thrown out the window because we flared out against possibly one of the best teams ever.

There's just no winning, regardless. We demand loyalty, but we treat our players worse than we'd treat dogs.

Part of it because we're on the sidelines and it doesn't really matter what we say here. But also because we don't know half the stories that are going on behind the scenes, whilst pretending we do. Every shred of info gets blown out of proportions and taken as a sign of X or Y. And regardless which of the two happens (X or Y) you'll see someone saying "I told you so!!!" because the signs were there :]

I think partly, it's the way we sometimes discuss stuff that bothers me. Very dismissive and presenting things as facts. Even when they're either hearsay, or hindsight and thus irrelevant to said previous discussions.

Then there's the way we speak of them as resources and numbers, often ignoring the human aspect. Ignoring chemistry (and building it). Ignoring that if you trade [player x], that might upset the whole team.

Like that "rebuilding around Tatum" thread. I didn't read it, but if you fire everyone and keep Tatum ... imagine working somewhere for a while and the boss sacks everyone except you. I've quit jobs when only 1 or 2 friends were fired. If you'd do that to everyone, I'm GONE.

Anyway, not sure where I'm going with this post.

I guess, in short, I wish we'd be a little more balanced and empathic occasionally.

Or don't, see if I care :') lol
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Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2021, 09:39:19 PM »

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Boy, the Kemba hate is strong. The guy has done nothing but work his ass off to be as good as he can be and has averaged 19/5/4 with slightly above average efficiency in his time here and people just want to buy him out/salary dump him/trade him for role players.

He is one of the most likeable athletes to come into Boston in years and everyone is dumping on him. I don't get it.

You want to package him and picks and youth for an upgrade, that I get. Just ditching him because....I don't know....he represents everything that went wrong this year in the minds of many, that I do not get.

The fanbase is entitled and toxic. From the "Average Al" talk to that plagued Horford, to folks admonishing Hayward and Kemba due to injuries, to fans ready to throw two good young All-Stars in Tatum & Brown under the bus. No one is worthy anymore. There has always been this undeserved narrative that top players don't want to play in Boston, that's going to eventually be true and it won't be because of the franchise itself.

It's legitimately souring me on this board. It started with IT, who felt like he deserved a bigger contract. Then, Average Al, who a lot of people now pine for. Then, Hayward, who was accused of being a wimp and dogging it. Now Kemba.

Think of this. Toronto "load managed" Kawhi and won a title. Was it really Kemba that wanted to skip the second game of back-to-backs? Why is he blamed for being "injury prone" when it was the team holding him back? Or. I think someone here suggested that the team was being over-cautious because of the IT injuries.

Nah, that's no fun. I need someone to BLAME!

Re: Sources: Cs/Kemba want a breakup
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2021, 09:44:25 PM »

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Boy, the Kemba hate is strong. The guy has done nothing but work his ass off to be as good as he can be and has averaged 19/5/4 with slightly above average efficiency in his time here and people just want to buy him out/salary dump him/trade him for role players.

He is one of the most likeable athletes to come into Boston in years and everyone is dumping on him. I don't get it.

You want to package him and picks and youth for an upgrade, that I get. Just ditching him because....I don't know....he represents everything that went wrong this year in the minds of many, that I do not get.

The fanbase is entitled and toxic. From the "Average Al" talk to that plagued Horford, to folks admonishing Hayward and Kemba due to injuries, to fans ready to throw two good young All-Stars in Tatum & Brown under the bus. No one is worthy anymore. There has always been this undeserved narrative that top players don't want to play in Boston, that's going to eventually be true and it won't be because of the franchise itself.

Yeah, it's kinda interesting cuz we Celts fans have a rep around the league for this too.

We might've just had the worst year ever, injury-wise, for a starting 5. After being hailed as potential contenders. Yet all that gets thrown out the window because we flared out against possibly one of the best teams ever.

There's just no winning, regardless. We demand loyalty, but we treat our players worse than we'd treat dogs.

Part of it because we're on the sidelines and it doesn't really matter what we say here. But also because we don't know half the stories that are going on behind the scenes, whilst pretending we do. Every shred of info gets blown out of proportions and taken as a sign of X or Y. And regardless which of the two happens (X or Y) you'll see someone saying "I told you so!!!" because the signs were there :]

I think partly, it's the way we sometimes discuss stuff that bothers me. Very dismissive and presenting things as facts. Even when they're either hindsight, or hearsay.

Then there's the way we speak of them as resources and numbers, often ignoring the human aspect. Ignoring chemistry (and building it). Ignoring that if you trade [player x], that might upset the whole team.

Like that "rebuilding around Tatum" thread. I didn't read it, but if you fire everyone and keep Tatum ... imagine working somewhere for a while and the boss sacks everyone except you. I've quit jobs when only 1 or 2 friends were fired. If you'd do that to everyone, I'm GONE.

Anyway, not sure where I'm going with this post.

I guess, in short, I wish we'd be a little more balanced and empathic occasionally.

Or don't, see if I care :') lol

Boston isn't for everyone, and when the Red Sox realized that they started looking for more mentally strong guys that embraced the type of city Boston is rather than recoil from it. I think you'd have better luck changing the players than trying to change the fans at this point, because it has to do with the area and just how much people care about sports in this town. The town has also been spoiled by success and going deep in the playoffs is almost expected every year.