Celtics (32-28) at Hornets (29-30) Game #61 4/25/21

[nickagneta]

For all the complaints about Stevens, you know what he didn't do?

He didn't shoot 38% from the field.
He didn't missed close to 20 shots at the rim.
He didn't decide to go iso all game
He didn't turn the ball over 13 times.
He didn't decide not to get back in transition.
He didn't allow Charlotte to shoot wide open threes all game.
He didn't play some of the most pathetic half court defense all year in this game.

At some point, it's on the players, not the coach. This game was all on the players. They were the ones that decided not to show up and stink up the joint.

This is such a bad argument lol The only thing you're really saying is a descriptive statement that he's not actually a player - that's it. But that's a very naive and narrow conception of how coaching affects the game, and by this kind of logic there's no role whatsoever for coaching in the NBA.

Sure, if players are just missing shots, that's unfortunate but it doesn't necessarily involve coaching. Turnovers? Same kind of argument can be made. But you know how coaching does relate to  poor play, either wholly or at least in part?

(a) Not coming out prepared to start the game - coaching staff not having guys ready to start the game
(b) Not playing motivated or with hustle throughout the game - poor in-game management of players by coaching staff
(c) Consistently missing defensive assignments/not communicating defensively/implementing a poor overall defensive help strategy - coaching staff futility in defensive gameplan management and preparation and instilling defensive discipline and accountability
(d) Team consistently relies too heavily on jumpshots and isolation offense - coaching staff futility in offensive gameplan management and preparation and instilling offensive discipline and accountability
(e) Inconsistent rotation/regular freezing or benching of the hot player/poor TO calling - poor in-game management by coaching staff
(f) Stars with awful body language and motivation throughout the game - poor leadership and accountability instituted by coaching staff

Brad and the coaching staff are not wholly responsible for the team's problems, but acting like they have minimal impact on the team's poor play today and this season and aren't a major driving factor of the poor play is asinine.

What's asinine is coming into every game and predetermining that everything that goes wrong is on the coach. What's asinine is blaming the coach for every turnover, every run the opponents make, every time a player gives a bad effort, every time a player does something he shouldn't. What's asinine is thinking that the players win every game and the coach loses every game.

It's been a tough season. For both the players, the coach and the GM. This season has been a breakdown from Ainge all the way to Tacko.

Brad has had some awful games coaching this year. His inability to get these guys to show up on matinee games is pathetic. But this game...this game....this was on the players.

[liam]

Maybe the Celtics are on strike,  want better benefits or something ?

This game was a wire-to-wire blowout at least get Fournier more than 3 shots. The Celtics had 26 free throws in this game and could barely clear 100. Squandered this one.

[liam]

For all the complaints about Stevens, you know what he didn't do?

He didn't shoot 38% from the field.
He didn't missed close to 20 shots at the rim.
He didn't decide to go iso all game
He didn't turn the ball over 13 times.
He didn't decide not to get back in transition.
He didn't allow Charlotte to shoot wide open threes all game.
He didn't play some of the most pathetic half court defense all year in this game.

At some point, it's on the players, not the coach. This game was all on the players. They were the ones that decided not to show up and stink up the joint.

This is such a bad argument lol The only thing you're really saying is a descriptive statement that he's not actually a player - that's it. But that's a very naive and narrow conception of how coaching affects the game, and by this kind of logic there's no role whatsoever for coaching in the NBA.

Sure, if players are just missing shots, that's unfortunate but it doesn't necessarily involve coaching. Turnovers? Same kind of argument can be made. But you know how coaching does relate to  poor play, either wholly or at least in part?

(a) Not coming out prepared to start the game - coaching staff not having guys ready to start the game
(b) Not playing motivated or with hustle throughout the game - poor in-game management of players by coaching staff
(c) Consistently missing defensive assignments/not communicating defensively/implementing a poor overall defensive help strategy - coaching staff futility in defensive gameplan management and preparation and instilling defensive discipline and accountability
(d) Team consistently relies too heavily on jumpshots and isolation offense - coaching staff futility in offensive gameplan management and preparation and instilling offensive discipline and accountability
(e) Inconsistent rotation/regular freezing or benching of the hot player/poor TO calling - poor in-game management by coaching staff
(f) Stars with awful body language and motivation throughout the game - poor leadership and accountability instituted by coaching staff

Brad and the coaching staff are not wholly responsible for the team's problems, but acting like they have minimal impact on the team's poor play today and this season and aren't a major driving factor of the poor play is asinine.

What's asinine is coming into every game and predetermining that everything that goes wrong is on the coach. What's asinine is blaming the coach for every turnover, every run the opponents make, every time a player gives a bad effort, every time a player does something he shouldn't. What's asinine is thinking that the players win every game and the coach loses every game.

It's been a tough season. For both the players, the coach and the GM. This season has been a breakdown from Ainge all the way to Tacko.

Brad has had some awful games coaching this year. His inability to get these guys to show up on matinee games is pathetic. But this game...this game....this was on the players.

Players come out flat and disinterested and they still play the same amount of minutes. Why can't it ever be the coach's fault? He decides who plays. If the guys he plays aren't playing hard it's his job not to play them. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO GET?

[hwangjini_1]

For all the complaints about Stevens, you know what he didn't do?

He didn't shoot 38% from the field.
He didn't missed close to 20 shots at the rim.
He didn't decide to go iso all game
He didn't turn the ball over 13 times.
He didn't decide not to get back in transition.
He didn't allow Charlotte to shoot wide open threes all game.
He didn't play some of the most pathetic half court defense all year in this game.

At some point, it's on the players, not the coach. This game was all on the players. They were the ones that decided not to show up and stink up the joint.

What exactly is the coach’s job?

It's not to play the game.

Not play guys who play hard and bench guys that are phoning it in or get a tech to fire up his team or rem a guy out for horrid lazy play. See Pop! Coaching is an active participation job! Not sit and hope guys do something.

Sure. Yeah. Let's bench Tatum, Brown, Kemba and Smart because a lineup of Pritchard, Besmith, Langford, Parker and Kornet are going to win sooooooooo many games. 

It may be the spark and change of pace you need during a game.

ha ha ha...if CBS ran this line up out during real game time this place would demand his head....again....as usual. 

Not if they produce and take the other team out of their flow.

pretty big if isnt it? you seem to take it for granted that that line up would produce, when nothing else seems to support your argument.

[Silas]

Maybe the Celtics are on strike,  want better benefits or something ?

This game was a wire-to-wire blowout at least get Fournier more than 3 shots. The Celtics had 26 free throws in this game and could barely clear 100. Squandered this one.

Payton, 3 shots, Aaron, 3 shots, Jabari, 3 shots, and like you said Fournier with only 3 shots.  Doesn't make sense when your main guys aren't doing their thing.

[liam]

For all the complaints about Stevens, you know what he didn't do?

He didn't shoot 38% from the field.
He didn't missed close to 20 shots at the rim.
He didn't decide to go iso all game
He didn't turn the ball over 13 times.
He didn't decide not to get back in transition.
He didn't allow Charlotte to shoot wide open threes all game.
He didn't play some of the most pathetic half court defense all year in this game.

At some point, it's on the players, not the coach. This game was all on the players. They were the ones that decided not to show up and stink up the joint.

What exactly is the coach’s job?

It's not to play the game.

Not play guys who play hard and bench guys that are phoning it in or get a tech to fire up his team or rem a guy out for horrid lazy play. See Pop! Coaching is an active participation job! Not sit and hope guys do something.

Sure. Yeah. Let's bench Tatum, Brown, Kemba and Smart because a lineup of Pritchard, Besmith, Langford, Parker and Kornet are going to win sooooooooo many games. 

It may be the spark and change of pace you need during a game.

ha ha ha...if CBS ran this line up out during real game time this place would demand his head....again....as usual. 

Not if they produce and take the other team out of their flow.

pretty big if isnt it? you seem to take it for granted that that line up would produce, when nothing else seems to support your argument.

I just want the team to play hard. Not win every game. Sometimes they win sometimes they lose but they should always play hard.

[Chief]

Grant Williams had a good game but wasn't what we needed from a center in this game. We needed to control the paint and he was just too undersized to do that. I was so glad to get some size on this roster but if Brad won't play it, then it doesn't matter. I wonder if Danny trades Theis if he thought Brad would with a smaller center.

Grant Williams at center is just stupid defensively.

[SHAQATTACK]

Maybe the Celtics are on strike,  want better benefits or something ?

This game was a wire-to-wire blowout at least get Fournier more than 3 shots. The Celtics had 26 free throws in this game and could barely clear 100. Squandered this one.

I confess,   I fell sleep and missed 98% of the game ,  obviously some things went wrong for our side.

[liam]

Grant Williams had a good game but wasn't what we needed from a center in this game. We needed to control the paint and he was just too undersized to do that. I was so glad to get some size on this roster but if Brad won't play it, then it doesn't matter. I wonder if Danny trades Theis if he thought Brad would with a smaller center.

Grant Williams at center is just stupid defensively.

Agreed. Maybe they will draft a shorter center next year who can get some time. Maybe a 6'1" center.

[liam]

Maybe the Celtics are on strike,  want better benefits or something ?

This game was a wire-to-wire blowout at least get Fournier more than 3 shots. The Celtics had 26 free throws in this game and could barely clear 100. Squandered this one.

I confess,   I fell sleep and missed 98% of the game ,  obviously some things went wrong for our side.

Celtics were also sleeping. Marcus had his fantastic 4-5 minutes but other than that a complete surrender. The Celtics should've sewn little white flags on their uniforms for this one.

[hwangjini_1]

Maybe the Celtics are on strike,  want better benefits or something ?

This game was a wire-to-wire blowout at least get Fournier more than 3 shots. The Celtics had 26 free throws in this game and could barely clear 100. Squandered this one.

Payton, 3 shots, Aaron, 3 shots, Jabari, 3 shots, and like you said Fournier with only 3 shots.  Doesn't make sense when your main guys aren't doing their thing.

i dont think it was the celtics' offense that was putrid. while it wasnt great, the real problem was (1) lazy defense, especially around the 3 point line.

(2) turn overs, an ongoing problem.

(3) charlotte played really well.

[nickagneta]

For all the complaints about Stevens, you know what he didn't do?

He didn't shoot 38% from the field.
He didn't missed close to 20 shots at the rim.
He didn't decide to go iso all game
He didn't turn the ball over 13 times.
He didn't decide not to get back in transition.
He didn't allow Charlotte to shoot wide open threes all game.
He didn't play some of the most pathetic half court defense all year in this game.

At some point, it's on the players, not the coach. This game was all on the players. They were the ones that decided not to show up and stink up the joint.

This is such a bad argument lol The only thing you're really saying is a descriptive statement that he's not actually a player - that's it. But that's a very naive and narrow conception of how coaching affects the game, and by this kind of logic there's no role whatsoever for coaching in the NBA.

Sure, if players are just missing shots, that's unfortunate but it doesn't necessarily involve coaching. Turnovers? Same kind of argument can be made. But you know how coaching does relate to  poor play, either wholly or at least in part?

(a) Not coming out prepared to start the game - coaching staff not having guys ready to start the game
(b) Not playing motivated or with hustle throughout the game - poor in-game management of players by coaching staff
(c) Consistently missing defensive assignments/not communicating defensively/implementing a poor overall defensive help strategy - coaching staff futility in defensive gameplan management and preparation and instilling defensive discipline and accountability
(d) Team consistently relies too heavily on jumpshots and isolation offense - coaching staff futility in offensive gameplan management and preparation and instilling offensive discipline and accountability
(e) Inconsistent rotation/regular freezing or benching of the hot player/poor TO calling - poor in-game management by coaching staff
(f) Stars with awful body language and motivation throughout the game - poor leadership and accountability instituted by coaching staff

Brad and the coaching staff are not wholly responsible for the team's problems, but acting like they have minimal impact on the team's poor play today and this season and aren't a major driving factor of the poor play is asinine.

What's asinine is coming into every game and predetermining that everything that goes wrong is on the coach. What's asinine is blaming the coach for every turnover, every run the opponents make, every time a player gives a bad effort, every time a player does something he shouldn't. What's asinine is thinking that the players win every game and the coach loses every game.

It's been a tough season. For both the players, the coach and the GM. This season has been a breakdown from Ainge all the way to Tacko.

Brad has had some awful games coaching this year. His inability to get these guys to show up on matinee games is pathetic. But this game...this game....this was on the players.

Players come out flat and disinterested and they still play the same amount of minutes. Why can't it ever be the coach's fault? He decides who plays. If the guys he plays aren't playing hard it's his job not to play them. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO GET?

So if he benched the starters and played the bench you really think this team wins the game? You really think more time for Pritchard, Nesmith, Langford, Parker, Kornet, Semi, Waters and Tacko and less for the starters is going to win you more games?

How quickly do his players run to Ainge to b!tch about the coach when they are sitting watching the bench players lose games while his stars are sitting? How quickly do those stars start asking to be traded because the bench guys are getting time over them?

This isn't high school basketball.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[liam]

Maybe the Celtics are on strike,  want better benefits or something ?

This game was a wire-to-wire blowout at least get Fournier more than 3 shots. The Celtics had 26 free throws in this game and could barely clear 100. Squandered this one.

Payton, 3 shots, Aaron, 3 shots, Jabari, 3 shots, and like you said Fournier with only 3 shots.  Doesn't make sense when your main guys aren't doing their thing.

i dont think it was the celtics' offense that was putrid. while it wasnt great, the real problem was (1) lazy defense, especially around the 3 point line.

(2) turn overs, an ongoing problem.

(3) charlotte played really well.

Don't forget about all the easy layups. The Hornets shot 50% from the field.

[jambr380]

Grant Williams had a good game but wasn't what we needed from a center in this game. We needed to control the paint and he was just too undersized to do that. I was so glad to get some size on this roster but if Brad won't play it, then it doesn't matter. I wonder if Danny trades Theis if he thought Brad would with a smaller center.

I have no idea why you are so enamored with Luke Kornet. The guy is barely an NBA player, and it was a terrible idea to trade Theis for him when we didn't need to in order to stay below the tax. We lost Rob, and now we are stuck with Grant playing major center minutes since Kornet is literally that bad. If all you want is size, then at least throw Tacko out there.

Besides, I would say CHA's red hot 3-pt shooting had a lot more to do with this loss than the interior defense. And against this particular team, Theis would have more than held his own down low. They were starting PJ Washington at C (and he was torching us).

[hwangjini_1]

Maybe the Celtics are on strike,  want better benefits or something ?

This game was a wire-to-wire blowout at least get Fournier more than 3 shots. The Celtics had 26 free throws in this game and could barely clear 100. Squandered this one.

Payton, 3 shots, Aaron, 3 shots, Jabari, 3 shots, and like you said Fournier with only 3 shots.  Doesn't make sense when your main guys aren't doing their thing.

i dont think it was the celtics' offense that was putrid. while it wasnt great, the real problem was (1) lazy defense, especially around the 3 point line.

(2) turn overs, an ongoing problem.

(3) charlotte played really well.

Don't forget about all the easy layups. The Hornets shot 50% from the field.

true, sad but true. the whole team sucked for much of the time.