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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #135 on: June 01, 2021, 08:52:57 PM »

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Hunter Dickinson is in the draft. Anyone have a good take on him? 7'2" really big.
Dollar shop Luka Garza for my mind. Similar strengths and weaknesses, only advantage is length and youth (but is less skilled)

He seems to have some skill around the hoop and has an outside shot that he didn't seem to shoot a lot in college. Just 20. Seems to have good hands. He looks like a project, which we don't need. There is going to be a big in that second round.
There are a bunch of bigs in the 2nd round I'd take a flier on.

Garza, Sharpe, Bassey, Queta, Hukporti, Sylla, Dianko Badji, Todd, Petrusev. All worth consideration, but for the most part all projects

One of those will be a good player but which one?  ;D
Probably the one not drafted by us :P

If we don't grab a big in the second round I hope we nab Marcus Garrett. I've heard some scuttlebutt about Smart being traded this summer because of his future contract situation and him being our best trade chip. Garrett would be our replacement.
I like Jaden Springer as a potential first rounder if we aggressively move Smart or Kemba. He's an elite point of attack defender, good shooting stroke (high efficiency but low attempts) and is pretty darn athletic. Probably a secondary playmaker at best, but that's alright I reckon

I like Springer even if Kemba and Smart are back. As a 19 year old rookie he would probably be best served playing behind and practicing against Smart. Long term I like his fit playing off of Tatum, Brown, and Pritchard. He would give the Cs a nice point of attack defender capable of switching in a similar manner to Smart.

I’ll also mention again his potential to grow given that his dad is 6’9 and oldest brothers are 6’7. Easily could see him as a 6’5 215lb combo guard
I like him in general too, just using all my willpower to try and wish Franz Wagner or Josh Giddey into our lap

This might be a bit of a hot take but I’m taking Springer over Giddy
Interesting! I haven't watched enough of Springer but have been inundated with Giddey content as I'm in Australia, so I would have to do more of a deep-dive on Springer to comment
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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #136 on: June 04, 2021, 10:29:14 PM »

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Hunter Dickinson is in the draft. Anyone have a good take on him? 7'2" really big.
Dollar shop Luka Garza for my mind. Similar strengths and weaknesses, only advantage is length and youth (but is less skilled)

He seems to have some skill around the hoop and has an outside shot that he didn't seem to shoot a lot in college. Just 20. Seems to have good hands. He looks like a project, which we don't need. There is going to be a big in that second round.
There are a bunch of bigs in the 2nd round I'd take a flier on.

Garza, Sharpe, Bassey, Queta, Hukporti, Sylla, Dianko Badji, Todd, Petrusev. All worth consideration, but for the most part all projects

One of those will be a good player but which one?  ;D
Probably the one not drafted by us :P

If we don't grab a big in the second round I hope we nab Marcus Garrett. I've heard some scuttlebutt about Smart being traded this summer because of his future contract situation and him being our best trade chip. Garrett would be our replacement.
I like Jaden Springer as a potential first rounder if we aggressively move Smart or Kemba. He's an elite point of attack defender, good shooting stroke (high efficiency but low attempts) and is pretty darn athletic. Probably a secondary playmaker at best, but that's alright I reckon

I like Springer even if Kemba and Smart are back. As a 19 year old rookie he would probably be best served playing behind and practicing against Smart. Long term I like his fit playing off of Tatum, Brown, and Pritchard. He would give the Cs a nice point of attack defender capable of switching in a similar manner to Smart.

I’ll also mention again his potential to grow given that his dad is 6’9 and oldest brothers are 6’7. Easily could see him as a 6’5 215lb combo guard
I like him in general too, just using all my willpower to try and wish Franz Wagner or Josh Giddey into our lap

This might be a bit of a hot take but I’m taking Springer over Giddy
Interesting! I haven't watched enough of Springer but have been inundated with Giddey content as I'm in Australia, so I would have to do more of a deep-dive on Springer to comment

I wanted shooting but I kinda love this Josh Giddey kid. He can dominate with that passing. The Celtics really need passing. I'm trying to talk myself out of this kid but the more I watch the more I like.

Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #137 on: June 11, 2021, 10:09:16 AM »

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my updated big board 6-11

tiers are still really fluid

picks 34-62 I am still really up in the air. A few of those guys will move up a tie while others may get bumped out of my top 60

For the Celtics I am growing increasing pessimistic about the players in the #16 range. With the teams potentially being forced into some cap saving measures Im not sure BS is going to want to go with a young project like Springer, Jackson, Brown or Williams and I dont love value at #16 of drafting some of the more veteran college players like Krisper or Mitchel. The Celtics reaching for Murphy wouldn't surprise me. However I am finding a lot of the projected mid second round guys to be interesting. Looking at Tankathons mock at #45 the Cs could draft H Jones, Q Grimes, I Todd, C Bassey,AJ Lawson or Robinson-Earl all players who I see as having clear rotation level talent.   

   
1   Cunningham
   
2   Mobley
3   Suggs
4   Green
5   Kuminga
   
6   Barnes
7   J Johnson
8   F Wagner
9   J Springer
10   Giddey
   
11   K Johnson
12   M Moody
13   Sengun
14   I Jackson
   
16   Kisper
17   Garuba
15   G Brown
18   D Mitchell
19   J Christopher
20   Bouknight
21   Z Williams
22   K Jones
23   Murphy III
   
24   Boston
25   I Todd
26   T Mann
27   J Butler
28   C Thomas
29   M Bagely
30   Q Grimes
31   H Jones
32   Cooper
33   McBride
   
34   Juzang
35   Duarte
36   Prkacin
37   Dosunmu
38   Abmas
39   J Ayayi
40   Robinson-Earl
41   Queta
42   Huff
43   M Hurt
44   Bassey
45   D Johnson
46   Nix
47   Shannon Jr
48   Sharpe
49   Mamukelashvili
50   AJ Lawson
51   A Henry
52   S Lewis
53   M Mayer
54   Santos
55   Petrusev
56   Duke
57   Hukporti
58   Begarun
59   EJ Onu
60   Jokubaitis
61   Pons
62   Sam Hauser

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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #138 on: June 11, 2021, 11:41:42 AM »

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my updated big board 6-11

tiers are still really fluid

picks 34-62 I am still really up in the air. A few of those guys will move up a tie while others may get bumped out of my top 60

For the Celtics I am growing increasing pessimistic about the players in the #16 range. With the teams potentially being forced into some cap saving measures Im not sure BS is going to want to go with a young project like Springer, Jackson, Brown or Williams and I dont love value at #16 of drafting some of the more veteran college players like Krisper or Mitchel. The Celtics reaching for Murphy wouldn't surprise me. However I am finding a lot of the projected mid second round guys to be interesting. Looking at Tankathons mock at #45 the Cs could draft H Jones, Q Grimes, I Todd, C Bassey,AJ Lawson or Robinson-Earl all players who I see as having clear rotation level talent.   

   
1   Cunningham
   
2   Mobley
3   Suggs
4   Green
5   Kuminga
   
6   Barnes
7   J Johnson
8   F Wagner
9   J Springer
10   Giddey
   
11   K Johnson
12   M Moody
13   Sengun
14   I Jackson
   
16   Kisper
17   Garuba
15   G Brown
18   D Mitchell
19   J Christopher
20   Bouknight
21   Z Williams
22   K Jones
23   Murphy III
   
24   Boston
25   I Todd
26   T Mann
27   J Butler
28   C Thomas
29   M Bagely
30   Q Grimes
31   H Jones
32   Cooper
33   McBride
   
34   Juzang
35   Duarte
36   Prkacin
37   Dosunmu
38   Abmas
39   J Ayayi
40   Robinson-Earl
41   Queta
42   Huff
43   M Hurt
44   Bassey
45   D Johnson
46   Nix
47   Shannon Jr
48   Sharpe
49   Mamukelashvili
50   AJ Lawson
51   A Henry
52   S Lewis
53   M Mayer
54   Santos
55   Petrusev
56   Duke
57   Hukporti
58   Begarun
59   EJ Onu
60   Jokubaitis
61   Pons
62   Sam Hauser

This draft seems to have great depth in quality swing forwards (can play 3 or 4 position) who have playmaking ability.  This is our biggest need IMO.  Most of the guys in your tier 3 fall into the category. If we can't trade up to grab one of them, we should take a good look at Prkacin, who I think we get drafted late first round.  I really like him.

Mitchell at 18?? Grab him at 16!!
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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #139 on: June 11, 2021, 02:18:37 PM »

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my updated big board 6-11

tiers are still really fluid

picks 34-62 I am still really up in the air. A few of those guys will move up a tie while others may get bumped out of my top 60

For the Celtics I am growing increasing pessimistic about the players in the #16 range. With the teams potentially being forced into some cap saving measures Im not sure BS is going to want to go with a young project like Springer, Jackson, Brown or Williams and I dont love value at #16 of drafting some of the more veteran college players like Krisper or Mitchel. The Celtics reaching for Murphy wouldn't surprise me. However I am finding a lot of the projected mid second round guys to be interesting. Looking at Tankathons mock at #45 the Cs could draft H Jones, Q Grimes, I Todd, C Bassey,AJ Lawson or Robinson-Earl all players who I see as having clear rotation level talent.   

   
1   Cunningham
   
2   Mobley
3   Suggs
4   Green
5   Kuminga
   
6   Barnes
7   J Johnson
8   F Wagner
9   J Springer
10   Giddey
   
11   K Johnson
12   M Moody
13   Sengun
14   I Jackson
   
16   Kisper
17   Garuba
15   G Brown
18   D Mitchell
19   J Christopher
20   Bouknight
21   Z Williams
22   K Jones
23   Murphy III
   
24   Boston
25   I Todd
26   T Mann
27   J Butler
28   C Thomas
29   M Bagely
30   Q Grimes
31   H Jones
32   Cooper
33   McBride
   
34   Juzang
35   Duarte
36   Prkacin
37   Dosunmu
38   Abmas
39   J Ayayi
40   Robinson-Earl
41   Queta
42   Huff
43   M Hurt
44   Bassey
45   D Johnson
46   Nix
47   Shannon Jr
48   Sharpe
49   Mamukelashvili
50   AJ Lawson
51   A Henry
52   S Lewis
53   M Mayer
54   Santos
55   Petrusev
56   Duke
57   Hukporti
58   Begarun
59   EJ Onu
60   Jokubaitis
61   Pons
62   Sam Hauser

This draft seems to have great depth in quality swing forwards (can play 3 or 4 position) who have playmaking ability.  This is our biggest need IMO.  Most of the guys in your tier 3 fall into the category. If we can't trade up to grab one of them, we should take a good look at Prkacin, who I think we get drafted late first round.  I really like him.

Mitchell at 18?? Grab him at 16!!

I agree that Barnes, Johnson and Wagner would all be great roster fits with the Cs. I doubt the Cs will be able to move up for one of them. I have still have to research the Euros and dont know anything really about Prkacin. Giddy, Sengun and Garuba are the only foreign players I have really dove into.

As for Mitchell, major media seems to be indicating that he will be a top 10 pick so even is he slides #16 isn't likely. I have mixed feelings on Mitchell. He clearly is going to be a high level point of attack nba defender with a strong-frame and elite first step. However he will also be almost 23 on draft day and I worry that his 3pt% was more of a one season anomaly and not a true representation of his outside shot. His lack of FT at the college level also worries me. As a basic draft philosophy I prefer to only draft a PG in the first round if he has clear elite starter potential. Mitchel I predict will be a very good role player but at 6'1/6'2 without elite length he will be limited in who he defends and if looking for a PG I would go with Springer who will fill a similar role but is younger and bigger.     
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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #140 on: June 11, 2021, 02:30:51 PM »

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I see Ayo Dosunmu as much higher and a really good fit for us, but some boards see him lower.

Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #141 on: June 11, 2021, 07:12:04 PM »

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I see Ayo Dosunmu as much higher and a really good fit for us, but some boards see him lower.
Personality-wise he gives me Kyrie Irving vibes. In not a good way
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #142 on: June 11, 2021, 08:46:11 PM »

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I see Ayo Dosunmu as much higher and a really good fit for us, but some boards see him lower.

This draft has a really interesting group of decent sized combo guards who could logically find their way onto the Celtics. Springer, Mann, Dosunmu, Ayayi, and D Johnson all have SG size and some ability to play the point. Aside from Smart the Cs really lack this type of player. We may see more PG in Langfords future but either way a guard with size should provide more roster value towards the end of the bench then smaller guards like Edwards or Waters.

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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #143 on: June 12, 2021, 11:50:46 AM »

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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #144 on: June 12, 2021, 12:01:21 PM »

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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #145 on: June 12, 2021, 01:09:05 PM »

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He does look a bit like Luka at 18, and I guess his dad was a solid BB player too. We aren’t getting Cunningham, so Roko could be a good backup plan if we don’t move the pick for a vet. I still think Zaire Williams is a good prospect at 16.

Both of these guys need time to develop, so if the pick isn’t moved for a vet, some other assets will have to be.

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Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #146 on: June 12, 2021, 01:18:51 PM »

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I see Ayo Dosunmu as much higher and a really good fit for us, but some boards see him lower.
Personality-wise he gives me Kyrie Irving vibes. In not a good way

Can you cite something? I'm curious.

I do think we tend to underestimate just how much pressure and responsibility is taken on, and let's face it. The average person would struggle with the NBA spotlight. Its a set of skills too, and its pretty hard to judge where some of these 18/19 year olds are at with dealing with it. You could argue some of this is just as important as any basketball skills they have.

Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #147 on: June 12, 2021, 03:16:07 PM »

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Adam Spinella Draft analysis - 1 hr ago
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A little Luka lite...

Thanks Tr1boy, TP.  I really like his comfort handling the ball, looking up at all times.  He seems very comfortable finishing with his left and right hand.  He is the youngest player in the draft, doesn't turn 19 until the end of November. He is actually listed as 6'9" not 6'8" in most cites, and 7' wingspan. 

Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #148 on: June 12, 2021, 05:24:28 PM »

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Thanks Tr1boy, TP.  I really like his comfort handling the ball, looking up at all times.  He seems very comfortable finishing with his left and right hand.  He is the youngest player in the draft, doesn't turn 19 until the end of November. He is actually listed as 6'9" not 6'8" in most cites, and 7' wingspan.

I like his potential a lot. I think he's an NBA player.

Re: 2021 Draft
« Reply #149 on: June 12, 2021, 05:41:56 PM »

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Thanks Tr1boy, TP.  I really like his comfort handling the ball, looking up at all times.  He seems very comfortable finishing with his left and right hand.  He is the youngest player in the draft, doesn't turn 19 until the end of November. He is actually listed as 6'9" not 6'8" in most cites, and 7' wingspan.

I like his potential a lot. I think he's an NBA player.

I think this draft has a lot more starting-level players than last year. Last year I thought it was full of bench role players after the top ten or so. Brad should probably trade the pick in a trade for a solid vet but there is a lot of good talent. I guess that makes the pick all the more valuble if GMs around the league see the draft in the same way.