2021 Draft

[footey]

Hunter Dickinson is in the draft. Anyone have a good take on him? 7'2" really big.

Dollar shop Luka Garza for my mind. Similar strengths and weaknesses, only advantage is length and youth (but is less skilled)

He seems to have some skill around the hoop and has an outside shot that he didn't seem to shoot a lot in college. Just 20. Seems to have good hands. He looks like a project, which we don't need. There is going to be a big in that second round.

There are a bunch of bigs in the 2nd round I'd take a flier on.

Garza, Sharpe, Bassey, Queta, Hukporti, Sylla, Dianko Badji, Todd, Petrusev. All worth consideration, but for the most part all projects

One of those will be a good player but which one? 

Probably the one not drafted by us

If we don't grab a big in the second round I hope we nab Marcus Garrett. I've heard some scuttlebutt about Smart being traded this summer because of his future contract situation and him being our best trade chip. Garrett would be our replacement.

I like Jaden Springer as a potential first rounder if we aggressively move Smart or Kemba. He's an elite point of attack defender, good shooting stroke (high efficiency but low attempts) and is pretty darn athletic. Probably a secondary playmaker at best, but that's alright I reckon

I like Springer even if Kemba and Smart are back. As a 19 year old rookie he would probably be best served playing behind and practicing against Smart. Long term I like his fit playing off of Tatum, Brown, and Pritchard. He would give the Cs a nice point of attack defender capable of switching in a similar manner to Smart.

I’ll also mention again his potential to grow given that his dad is 6’9 and oldest brothers are 6’7. Easily could see him as a 6’5 215lb combo guard

I like him in general too, just using all my willpower to try and wish Franz Wagner or Josh Giddey into our lap

This might be a bit of a hot take but I’m taking Springer over Giddy

Interesting! I haven't watched enough of Springer but have been inundated with Giddey content as I'm in Australia, so I would have to do more of a deep-dive on Springer to comment

Springer very intriguing. Some mocks have him available at 16.  Nice secondary creator, kind of reminds me of a young Devin Booker; we could be so lucky. Very crafty inside.  My only qualm is that we are so stacked with guys at his size, at 6'4", but frankly that is a lousy reason not to take him at 16 if he's the guy.  I like how easily he seems to get in the paint, and is looking to make a play for others. 

[gouki88]

I see Ayo Dosunmu as much higher and a really good fit for us, but some boards see him lower.

Personality-wise he gives me Kyrie Irving vibes. In not a good way

Can you cite something? I'm curious.

I do think we tend to underestimate just how much pressure and responsibility is taken on, and let's face it. The average person would struggle with the NBA spotlight. Its a set of skills too, and its pretty hard to judge where some of these 18/19 year olds are at with dealing with it. You could argue some of this is just as important as any basketball skills they have.

I guess it's just a general thing. Seen him go on and on about how individual he is and he's the first of himself, then does things like this.
https://twitter.com/BarstoolILL/status/1371285687757111300

[liam]

I just stumbled on this kid Vrenz Bleijenbergh. He looks like a perfect modern NBA big. 6'10 but mobile, with a handle, passing shooting. Reminds me a little of Hayward. He could run the bench unit with high post passing or top of the key passing. He might go too high for our 2nd rounder.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEyl1tme55g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmA7doNqQE

[liam]

The Celtics are going to have some spots.

[gouki88]

I just stumbled on this kid Vrenz Bleijenbergh. He looks like a perfect modern NBA big. 6'10 but mobile, with a handle, passing shooting. Reminds me a little of Hayward. He could run the bench unit with high post passing or top of the key passing. He might go too high for our 2nd rounder.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEyl1tme55g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmA7doNqQE

I've briefly mentioned him as a stash candidate. He's not very young, but he's still quite raw and could be good with a couple of years of good coaching I think

[liam]

I just stumbled on this kid Vrenz Bleijenbergh. He looks like a perfect modern NBA big. 6'10 but mobile, with a handle, passing shooting. Reminds me a little of Hayward. He could run the bench unit with high post passing or top of the key passing. He might go too high for our 2nd rounder.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEyl1tme55g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmA7doNqQE

I've briefly mentioned him as a stash candidate. He's not very young, but he's still quite raw and could be good with a couple of years of good coaching I think

He needs work but a steal in the second round as a stash. There are going to be quite a few steals in the second round of this draft.

[Celtics4ever]

My son and I watched Quentin Grimes at the recommendation of this board and came away impressed.   I worry about his Athleticism in the NBA but everything else but passing is there.  Nice size, shooting, seems to be able to hit the shots with guys all over nice.  Very nice.

[liam]

Anyone with a good take on Hunter Dickinson? Draft Position? He's big but a bit lumbering. I can't find him on any draft boards. Bigs seem to have really lost value.

[Celtics2021]

Anyone with a good take on Hunter Dickinson? Draft Position? He's big but a bit lumbering. I can't find him on any draft boards. Bigs seem to have really lost value.

Hunter Dickinson is highly unlikely to remain in this draft.  He needs to improve his moves with his right hand and show that he can shoot from distance.  If teams force him right he was very prone to turnovers and poor shots.

Defensively he’s a lumbering big.  That’s not getting too fixed.  The offensive flaws need to be worked on before he’s draftable tho, probably in the 2nd round next year.

[liam]

Anyone with a good take on Hunter Dickinson? Draft Position? He's big but a bit lumbering. I can't find him on any draft boards. Bigs seem to have really lost value.

Hunter Dickinson is highly unlikely to remain in this draft.  He needs to improve his moves with his right hand and show that he can shoot from distance.  If teams force him right he was very prone to turnovers and poor shots.

Defensively he’s a lumbering big.  That’s not getting too fixed.  The offensive flaws need to be worked on before he’s draftable tho, probably in the 2nd round next year.

TP thanks

 

[hwangjini_1]

I just stumbled on this kid Vrenz Bleijenbergh. He looks like a perfect modern NBA big. 6'10 but mobile, with a handle, passing shooting. Reminds me a little of Hayward. He could run the bench unit with high post passing or top of the key passing. He might go too high for our 2nd rounder.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEyl1tme55g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmA7doNqQE

i agree that he is a great passer, sees the court very well and puts the pass in a good place for the shooter. he looks as if he could run an offense pretty well. plus, since this is only highlight videos he is a great 3 point shooter. 

but honestly, based on his stats he is not a great shooter. 33.5% from 3 point range and 67.5% FT. neither is terrible, but it doesnt bode well. but he does get his shot off quickly, which is good.

he moves well. but he is thin. at least for now, on defense he would be be better off as a wing player, not a big. not enough muscle to defend stronger players in the nba. is he quick enough to defend most wings in the nba? i dont know.

he is intriguing given his strengths.

[CFAN38]

my updated big board 6-11

tiers are still really fluid

picks 34-62 I am still really up in the air. A few of those guys will move up a tie while others may get bumped out of my top 60

For the Celtics I am growing increasing pessimistic about the players in the #16 range. With the teams potentially being forced into some cap saving measures Im not sure BS is going to want to go with a young project like Springer, Jackson, Brown or Williams and I dont love value at #16 of drafting some of the more veteran college players like Krisper or Mitchel. The Celtics reaching for Murphy wouldn't surprise me. However I am finding a lot of the projected mid second round guys to be interesting. Looking at Tankathons mock at #45 the Cs could draft H Jones, Q Grimes, I Todd, C Bassey,AJ Lawson or Robinson-Earl all players who I see as having clear rotation level talent.   

   
1   Cunningham
   
2   Mobley
3   Suggs
4   Green
5   Kuminga
   
6   Barnes
7   J Johnson
8   F Wagner
9   J Springer
10   Giddey
   
11   K Johnson
12   M Moody
13   Sengun
14   I Jackson
   
16   Kisper
17   Garuba
15   G Brown
18   D Mitchell
19   J Christopher
20   Bouknight
21   Z Williams
22   K Jones
23   Murphy III
   
24   Boston
25   I Todd
26   T Mann
27   J Butler
28   C Thomas
29   M Bagely
30   Q Grimes
31   H Jones
32   Cooper
33   McBride
   
34   Juzang
35   Duarte
36   Prkacin
37   Dosunmu
38   Abmas
39   J Ayayi
40   Robinson-Earl
41   Queta
42   Huff
43   M Hurt
44   Bassey
45   D Johnson
46   Nix
47   Shannon Jr
48   Sharpe
49   Mamukelashvili
50   AJ Lawson
51   A Henry
52   S Lewis
53   M Mayer
54   Santos
55   Petrusev
56   Duke
57   Hukporti
58   Begarun
59   EJ Onu
60   Jokubaitis
61   Pons
62   Sam Hauser

The NBA has released the list of combine participants. Below are the players that I do not have ranked above. Listed in alphabetical order.

RaiQuan Gray
Aaron Henry
JT Thor
Josh Primo
Ochai Agbaji
Julian Champagnie
Justin Champagnie
Kessler Edwards
Luka Garza
Nah'Shon Hyland
Isaiah Livers
Makur Makur
Isaiah Mobley
John Petty
Jason Preston
Austin Reaves
Jericho Sims
DJ Steward
Trendon Waterford
Joe Wisekamp
Mckinley Wright
Moses Wright
Marcus Zagarowski


A number of these players will likely return to school but I can also see others jumping into the first round.

JT Thor is a 19 year old 6'9/6'10 swing who could very well crack the top 30

Josh Primo I believe is the youngest domestic player in the draft and some experts have him cracking the top 30

R Gray is a really interesting big who at 6'8 260 moves very well laterally and some draft writers see him as a draymond lite type prospect. Chad Ford compares him to my 2020 favorite Xavier Tillman

Moses Wright is a player I hadn't looked into prior to this list. He is the ACC player of the year and if he measures out at his listed 6'9 230 looks like another really solid 2nd round pick who can make an NBA roster.

Preston received a lot of early tournament hype that seemed to die down

..bottom line this draft feel really and I suspect someone lands a steal in the second round. This could also be a great class for the Cs to restock their 2-way deals. I would be shocked to see Waters and Tacko return on 2-ways but there are a lot of players I'd like to see occupy those roster spots.   

[CFAN38]

my updated big board 6-11

tiers are still really fluid

picks 34-62 I am still really up in the air. A few of those guys will move up a tie while others may get bumped out of my top 60

For the Celtics I am growing increasing pessimistic about the players in the #16 range. With the teams potentially being forced into some cap saving measures Im not sure BS is going to want to go with a young project like Springer, Jackson, Brown or Williams and I dont love value at #16 of drafting some of the more veteran college players like Krisper or Mitchel. The Celtics reaching for Murphy wouldn't surprise me. However I am finding a lot of the projected mid second round guys to be interesting. Looking at Tankathons mock at #45 the Cs could draft H Jones, Q Grimes, I Todd, C Bassey,AJ Lawson or Robinson-Earl all players who I see as having clear rotation level talent.   

   
1   Cunningham
   
2   Mobley
3   Suggs
4   Green
5   Kuminga
   
6   Barnes
7   J Johnson
8   F Wagner
9   J Springer
10   Giddey
   
11   K Johnson
12   M Moody
13   Sengun
14   I Jackson
   
16   Kisper
17   Garuba
15   G Brown
18   D Mitchell
19   J Christopher
20   Bouknight
21   Z Williams
22   K Jones
23   Murphy III
   
24   Boston
25   I Todd
26   T Mann
27   J Butler
28   C Thomas
29   M Bagely
30   Q Grimes
31   H Jones
32   Cooper
33   McBride
   
34   Juzang
35   Duarte
36   Prkacin
37   Dosunmu
38   Abmas
39   J Ayayi
40   Robinson-Earl
41   Queta
42   Huff
43   M Hurt
44   Bassey
45   D Johnson
46   Nix
47   Shannon Jr
48   Sharpe
49   Mamukelashvili
50   AJ Lawson
51   A Henry
52   S Lewis
53   M Mayer
54   Santos
55   Petrusev
56   Duke
57   Hukporti
58   Begarun
59   EJ Onu
60   Jokubaitis
61   Pons
62   Sam Hauser

The NBA has released the list of combine participants. Below are the players that I do not have ranked above. Listed in alphabetical order.

RaiQuan Gray
Aaron Henry
JT Thor
Josh Primo
Ochai Agbaji
Julian Champagnie
Justin Champagnie
Kessler Edwards
Luka Garza
Nah'Shon Hyland
Isaiah Livers
Makur Makur
Isaiah Mobley
John Petty
Jason Preston
Austin Reaves
Jericho Sims
DJ Steward
Trendon Waterford
Joe Wisekamp
Mckinley Wright
Moses Wright
Marcus Zagarowski


A number of these players will likely return to school but I can also see others jumping into the first round.

JT Thor is a 19 year old 6'9/6'10 swing who could very well crack the top 30

Josh Primo I believe is the youngest domestic player in the draft and some experts have him cracking the top 30

R Gray is a really interesting big who at 6'8 260 moves very well laterally and some draft writers see him as a draymond lite type prospect. Chad Ford compares him to my 2020 favorite Xavier Tillman

Moses Wright is a player I hadn't looked into prior to this list. He is the ACC player of the year and if he measures out at his listed 6'9 230 looks like another really solid 2nd round pick who can make an NBA roster.

Preston received a lot of early tournament hype that seemed to die down

..bottom line this draft feel really and I suspect someone lands a steal in the second round. This could also be a great class for the Cs to restock their 2-way deals. I would be shocked to see Waters and Tacko return on 2-ways but there are a lot of players I'd like to see occupy those roster spots.

[Tr1boy]

Shams Charania

2021 NBA Draft Combine (June 21-27) participants revealed:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E388p8ZX0AEuHhr?format=jpg&name=large

[Celtics2021]

Franz Wagner is skipping the combine.  Wonder if he got a promise from someone.  His draft range seemed a little wide to be someone who skips it.