Evan Fourniers next contract

[Jvalin]

Fournier is an MLE level player who will get paid a lot more than the MLE.

Whoever pays him will overpay him.

I don’t agree.

How many guys who can score 19 ppg on 39% 3PT% settle for the MLE.  He’s 28 years old, and is around average as a passer and defender.

He's a below average defender.
- short wingspan(6-7 ½) relative to his height (6-7)
- below average lateral quickness
- below average athleticsim

The advanced stats don't like his defense either.
defensive RAPTOR: -2.3
DBPM: -0.8

He's a crafty scorer though and a dangerous shooter.

Don't like the trade, but I don't hate it either. In a vacuum, we got him on the cheap. Thing is, he ain't moving the needle for us. Let's face it, the C's aren't legit contenders. What's the point in sacrificing future assets for players who aren't moving the needle for us?

If the rumored Indy deal was on the table during the offseason, I'd much rather have Turner + McDermott + 4 second round picks over Fournier + an $11 million TPE.

Right, he ain't moving the needle and he WAS cheap.  However, DA did not give up much.  This will make the rest of the season interesting, and probably keep some fans from from giving up on this team altogether.  The latter is not normal C's approach but I think Wyc believes it was necessary this year due to lackluster performance.

I'm really curious to see what the rumored extension looks like.

[RJ87]

For the CBA experts:

Is he eligible for an extension now? If so, how much and how long?

[Csfan1984]

Before this trade felt he was getting a 3 year front loaded deal from some team next year at an avg of 19-21 million.  He won't be happy if he has to come off the bench. They should start him and TL. He would create great spacing with the Js.

Walker, JB, Fournier, JT, TL

[NKY fan]

There is no way Fournier gets 18-20 a year. Which team would go that route?
Dallas? They probably try to get a bigger fish with their space?
Heat - they lose dipo and dragon to overpay Evan - no way
Charlotte - you never know with Jordan running the show but they also lose valuable players if they throw their space at Evan
OKC - they could overpay him but they are rebuilding and they most likely will be absorbing bad contracts again this summer ( think Kemba plus picks)
Spurs - why overpay Evan to take minutes away from their young wings and also lose derozan
Knicks - they also have young and promising wings and will throw their money at lonzo ball , Lowry or Derozan . They might overpay Fournier on a one year max if they strike out wit everyone else.
I think Fournier will struggle to get more than full MLE money.
If Danny offers 2 year @12mill or 3 @ 11mill tat might do it. He might be a little more generous to not p--- Evan off but there is no way he is getting $20mil a year.

[hpantazo]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

[Moranis]

Fournier is an MLE level player who will get paid a lot more than the MLE.

Whoever pays him will overpay him.

I don’t agree.

How many guys who can score 19 ppg on 39% 3PT% settle for the MLE.  He’s 28 years old, and is around average as a passer and defender.

Fournier is one of those guys that has been padding his stats on bad offensive teams. There is no way he puts up those numbers on a top team.

He is a 14ppg guy on good shooting percentages with solid ball-handling & passing, subpar defense, mediocre rebounding. That is an MLE guy.

Do you consider Joe Harris/Bogdanovic etc MLE type players?

Joe Harris? Yes
Bogdanovic? No.

Or at least summer when he signed his contract with Atlanta, I did not view him as an MLE player. I thought he showed good talent in Sacramento and had more to offer. That he could be a 3rd/4th option on a top team. Given his struggles in Atlanta, I may be wrong about that.

But last summer? Yes, I thought he was worth more than the MLE. Now, I am not so sure. His play in Atlanta has been disappointing and along the lines of what I expect to see with Fournier.

And Joe Harris is a SIGNIFICANTLY better 3 point shooter.  Harris led the league in 3 point shooting % one year.  He is an entirely different class of shooter than Fournier.  There is really no comparison. 

In a different thread I compared Fournier to Alec Burks.  Below are their per-36 career numbers.  You will notice there isn't much difference.  No one would pay Alec Burks more than the MLE (the Knicks signed him for 1 year at 6 million).

17.0 p, 5.3 r, 3.1 a, 1.1 s, 0.3 b, 2.0 t, 2.9 f - 44.3 2PT, 36.8 3PT, 79.5 FT - 53.3 TS%, .077 WS/48, -1.0 BPM, 3.0 VORP

18.2 p, 3.5 r, 3.3 a, 1.2 s, 0/4 b, 2.1 t, 2.5 f - 50.4 2PT, 37.6 3PT, 80.6 FT - 56.6 TS5, .080 WS/48, -1.0 BPM, 3.8 VORP

And Burks, like Fournier, when playing on a bad team with more free reign to shoot, put up pretty solid totals.  I wouldn't pay Fournier more than the MLE, but I can see arguments for something like 3 years, 36 million.  Anything more than that is a terrible waste of money because guys like Fournier aren't that hard to find. 

[Moranis]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

Except Fournier is no where near the passer or playmaker that Hayward is, nor is he the defender.  Fournier is a high volume scorer that is a very good, but not elite, shooter.  He does basically nothing else.  He is a role player.  Plain and simple.

[Rhyso]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

Agreed, offensively I think he will be a great fit and this will move Tatum back to the PF spot so Fournier will start, Smart off the bench.
Defensively though I have some concerns, as he wont be as solid as Hayward.
Overall good move if we resign him, horrible move if he walks in the offseason.

[Kuberski33]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

Except Fournier is no where near the passer or playmaker that Hayward is, nor is he the defender.  Fournier is a high volume scorer that is a very good, but not elite, shooter.  He does basically nothing else.  He is a role player.  Plain and simple.

I'm curious whether Brad will have the stones to play him at crunch time and sit Smart or Kemba? My guess is no.

[SparzWizard]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

He basically our Jeff Green of the 2013s...meaning one will be disappointed if they expect too much outta him, right? 

[hpantazo]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

He basically our Jeff Green of the 2013s...meaning one will be disappointed if they expect too much outta him, right? 

I mean, you could say Hayward was our recent Jeff Green. Not blaming him, but we didn't get much out of him at all during his time here.

[hpantazo]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

Except Fournier is no where near the passer or playmaker that Hayward is, nor is he the defender.  Fournier is a high volume scorer that is a very good, but not elite, shooter.  He does basically nothing else.  He is a role player.  Plain and simple.

Brad had Hayward standing in the corner behind the 3 point line half the time though. He was not maximizing Hayward's playmaking skills, and there was no room to do that with Kemba and to a lesser extent Tatum and Brown acting as the primary ball handlers most of the time. Fournier can offer the scoring and shooting from the wing that our offensive schemes were designed to get from Hayward.

[Moranis]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

Except Fournier is no where near the passer or playmaker that Hayward is, nor is he the defender.  Fournier is a high volume scorer that is a very good, but not elite, shooter.  He does basically nothing else.  He is a role player.  Plain and simple.

Brad had Hayward standing in the corner behind the 3 point line half the time though. He was not maximizing Hayward's playmaking skills, and there was no room to do that with Kemba and to a lesser extent Tatum and Brown acting as the primary ball handlers most of the time. Fournier can offer the scoring and shooting from the wing that our offensive schemes were designed to get from Hayward.

Hayward averaged 4.1 apg last year for Boston.  That is the 2nd highest total in his career (well 3rd if you count the 4.2 he is at this year).  I think you underestimate a great deal how much Boston used Hayward's playmaking. 

[liam]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

Except Fournier is no where near the passer or playmaker that Hayward is, nor is he the defender.  Fournier is a high volume scorer that is a very good, but not elite, shooter.  He does basically nothing else.  He is a role player.  Plain and simple.

Brad had Hayward standing in the corner behind the 3 point line half the time though. He was not maximizing Hayward's playmaking skills, and there was no room to do that with Kemba and to a lesser extent Tatum and Brown acting as the primary ball handlers most of the time. Fournier can offer the scoring and shooting from the wing that our offensive schemes were designed to get from Hayward.

Hayward averaged 4.1 apg last year for Boston.  That is the 2nd highest total in his career (well 3rd if you count the 4.2 he is at this year).  I think you underestimate a great deal how much Boston used Hayward's playmaking.

Fournier is avg 3.7 assists this year. Not too shabby... Hayward is the better player but there numbers are very similar.

[radiohead]

I think Ainge views Fournier as our Hayward replacement, a cheaper Hayward. He brings many of the things Hayward did, but of course a bit less skilled. He hopefully is a better fit with Tatum and Brown though, more willing to play a supportive role. I can't imagine Fournier thinks he can be the #1 option on an NBA team. If so, I expect Ainge to keep him long term at a reasonable rate.

Except Fournier is no where near the passer or playmaker that Hayward is, nor is he the defender.  Fournier is a high volume scorer that is a very good, but not elite, shooter.  He does basically nothing else.  He is a role player.  Plain and simple.

Brad had Hayward standing in the corner behind the 3 point line half the time though. He was not maximizing Hayward's playmaking skills, and there was no room to do that with Kemba and to a lesser extent Tatum and Brown acting as the primary ball handlers most of the time. Fournier can offer the scoring and shooting from the wing that our offensive schemes were designed to get from Hayward.

Hayward averaged 4.1 apg last year for Boston.  That is the 2nd highest total in his career (well 3rd if you count the 4.2 he is at this year).  I think you underestimate a great deal how much Boston used Hayward's playmaking.

Fournier is avg 3.7 assists this year. Not too shabby...

I was about to post that. Fournier is a very underrated passer. If he buys into Brad's system he could very well be "Hayward light" for the team. I hope he plays tomorrow vs the Bucks.