Daniel Theis' Next Contract

[Moranis]

Some silly GM is gonna throw him a 60 million for three years fully guaranteed deal a la Luol Deng, or Timofey Mosgov.

Naw. Come on now

Look at his stats.

No team is that crazy

I say 12 m per year would be max to outbid

I mean this seriously, what team is going to give Daniel Theis 12 million a year?  I don't think that team exists.  I really don't.  I honestly think on the open market the best he is going to do is something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  There just aren't very many teams that make sense for Theis that have more than the MLE available and many will only have the Tax Payer MLE available.

Off the top of my head, I could see Charlotte signing him. Zeller will be a free agent and they could free up a nice chunk of cap space. Theis is close with Gordon (so are their wives).

Also Jazz, Raptors, Mavs

Utah is above the cap without even bringing Conley back.  They can't sign anyone for 12 million a year. 

I suppose charlotte or Dallas makes sense, I don't think Toronto is viable, but for Dallas, especially, Theis would be a last resort type signing (same with toronto). 

That said, I don't think anyone is giving Theis 12 million a year.  I really don't think he is going to get more than I indicated i.e. something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  Theis is not good enough or young enough to invest a bunch of money in.

Considering that Derrick Favors got a 3 year 27 million deal as a 28-29 year old big man who's good but not great last offseason, I don't see why Theis will not get similar offers.

Favors is better than Theis and the MLE is basically the best he could do. 

[mig3zwo]

Theis' numbers aren't great. Outside of Boston, he might be worth nothing. He fits the Celts system and I like the idea of having him around long term. On the bench, behind Timelord.

give him 24/3... that should do it.

[ozgod]

Some silly GM is gonna throw him a 60 million for three years fully guaranteed deal a la Luol Deng, or Timofey Mosgov.

The difference is that I think money is tight for every team right now, a lot of silly money was given out when the salary cap went up because league revenues went up and some GMs got desperate after missing out on their first targets and showered money on fallbacks...I don't think their revenues will be up this year due to Covid issues, and I don't think the salary cap will go up either.

[Somebody]

Some silly GM is gonna throw him a 60 million for three years fully guaranteed deal a la Luol Deng, or Timofey Mosgov.

Naw. Come on now

Look at his stats.

No team is that crazy

I say 12 m per year would be max to outbid

I mean this seriously, what team is going to give Daniel Theis 12 million a year?  I don't think that team exists.  I really don't.  I honestly think on the open market the best he is going to do is something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  There just aren't very many teams that make sense for Theis that have more than the MLE available and many will only have the Tax Payer MLE available.

Off the top of my head, I could see Charlotte signing him. Zeller will be a free agent and they could free up a nice chunk of cap space. Theis is close with Gordon (so are their wives).

Also Jazz, Raptors, Mavs

Utah is above the cap without even bringing Conley back.  They can't sign anyone for 12 million a year. 

I suppose charlotte or Dallas makes sense, I don't think Toronto is viable, but for Dallas, especially, Theis would be a last resort type signing (same with toronto). 

That said, I don't think anyone is giving Theis 12 million a year.  I really don't think he is going to get more than I indicated i.e. something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  Theis is not good enough or young enough to invest a bunch of money in.

Considering that Derrick Favors got a 3 year 27 million deal as a 28-29 year old big man who's good but not great last offseason, I don't see why Theis will not get similar offers.

Favors is better than Theis and the MLE is basically the best he could do.

That simply isn't true unless you only gawk at box scores to evaluate players. Also it likely wasn't the best he could do from a financial standpoint - Utah offered him a winning situation that he was familiar with besides decent money.

[Moranis]

Some silly GM is gonna throw him a 60 million for three years fully guaranteed deal a la Luol Deng, or Timofey Mosgov.

Naw. Come on now

Look at his stats.

No team is that crazy

I say 12 m per year would be max to outbid

I mean this seriously, what team is going to give Daniel Theis 12 million a year?  I don't think that team exists.  I really don't.  I honestly think on the open market the best he is going to do is something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  There just aren't very many teams that make sense for Theis that have more than the MLE available and many will only have the Tax Payer MLE available.

Off the top of my head, I could see Charlotte signing him. Zeller will be a free agent and they could free up a nice chunk of cap space. Theis is close with Gordon (so are their wives).

Also Jazz, Raptors, Mavs

Utah is above the cap without even bringing Conley back.  They can't sign anyone for 12 million a year. 

I suppose charlotte or Dallas makes sense, I don't think Toronto is viable, but for Dallas, especially, Theis would be a last resort type signing (same with toronto). 

That said, I don't think anyone is giving Theis 12 million a year.  I really don't think he is going to get more than I indicated i.e. something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  Theis is not good enough or young enough to invest a bunch of money in.

Considering that Derrick Favors got a 3 year 27 million deal as a 28-29 year old big man who's good but not great last offseason, I don't see why Theis will not get similar offers.

Favors is better than Theis and the MLE is basically the best he could do.

That simply isn't true unless you only gawk at box scores to evaluate players. Also it likely wasn't the best he could do from a financial standpoint - Utah offered him a winning situation that he was familiar with besides decent money.

By all accounts the Pelicans didn't want him back and no team besides the Jazz even offered him a contract.  The best Favors could do was the MLE.  Now it is true he liked Utah a lot and he might have gone back there for less money, but no one was knocking down Favors door so it was an easy decision for him.  And Favors is better than Theis.  Not significantly, but better.  They obviously have different skill sets so a team could certainly prefer what Theis provides vs. Favors though. 

I'd be pretty surprised if anyone (except for perhaps the C's) offered Theis more than the MLE.  Borderline stunned.  I suppose some team on the fringe that strikes out completely may come in with a last minute huge offer (sort of like Charlotte with Hayward), but I don't think that is likely at all.

[slamtheking]

Some silly GM is gonna throw him a 60 million for three years fully guaranteed deal a la Luol Deng, or Timofey Mosgov.

Naw. Come on now

Look at his stats.

No team is that crazy

I say 12 m per year would be max to outbid

I mean this seriously, what team is going to give Daniel Theis 12 million a year?  I don't think that team exists.  I really don't.  I honestly think on the open market the best he is going to do is something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  There just aren't very many teams that make sense for Theis that have more than the MLE available and many will only have the Tax Payer MLE available.

Off the top of my head, I could see Charlotte signing him. Zeller will be a free agent and they could free up a nice chunk of cap space. Theis is close with Gordon (so are their wives).

Also Jazz, Raptors, Mavs

Utah is above the cap without even bringing Conley back.  They can't sign anyone for 12 million a year. 

I suppose charlotte or Dallas makes sense, I don't think Toronto is viable, but for Dallas, especially, Theis would be a last resort type signing (same with toronto). 

That said, I don't think anyone is giving Theis 12 million a year.  I really don't think he is going to get more than I indicated i.e. something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  Theis is not good enough or young enough to invest a bunch of money in.

Considering that Derrick Favors got a 3 year 27 million deal as a 28-29 year old big man who's good but not great last offseason, I don't see why Theis will not get similar offers.

Favors is better than Theis and the MLE is basically the best he could do.

That simply isn't true unless you only gawk at box scores to evaluate players. Also it likely wasn't the best he could do from a financial standpoint - Utah offered him a winning situation that he was familiar with besides decent money.

By all accounts the Pelicans didn't want him back and no team besides the Jazz even offered him a contract.  The best Favors could do was the MLE.  Now it is true he liked Utah a lot and he might have gone back there for less money, but no one was knocking down Favors door so it was an easy decision for him.  And Favors is better than Theis.  Not significantly, but better.  They obviously have different skill sets so a team could certainly prefer what Theis provides vs. Favors though. 

I'd be pretty surprised if anyone (except for perhaps the C's) offered Theis more than the MLE.  Borderline stunned.  I suppose some team on the fringe that strikes out completely may come in with a last minute huge offer (sort of like Charlotte with Hayward), but I don't think that is likely at all.

I'm not sure he'll get more than MLE but if TT can get MLE money, so can Theis.

I've always liked Favors.  have to admit I thought he'd be better than he is though.  wouldn't mind having Favors here coming off the bench but there's other skills we need more.

[td450]

Theis is really valuable. If I had to choose between him or Marcus Smart, I'd pick Theis.

We should resign him for what it takes, even if the market for him approaches $15M.

[Moranis]

Some silly GM is gonna throw him a 60 million for three years fully guaranteed deal a la Luol Deng, or Timofey Mosgov.

Naw. Come on now

Look at his stats.

No team is that crazy

I say 12 m per year would be max to outbid

I mean this seriously, what team is going to give Daniel Theis 12 million a year?  I don't think that team exists.  I really don't.  I honestly think on the open market the best he is going to do is something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  There just aren't very many teams that make sense for Theis that have more than the MLE available and many will only have the Tax Payer MLE available.

Off the top of my head, I could see Charlotte signing him. Zeller will be a free agent and they could free up a nice chunk of cap space. Theis is close with Gordon (so are their wives).

Also Jazz, Raptors, Mavs

Utah is above the cap without even bringing Conley back.  They can't sign anyone for 12 million a year. 

I suppose charlotte or Dallas makes sense, I don't think Toronto is viable, but for Dallas, especially, Theis would be a last resort type signing (same with toronto). 

That said, I don't think anyone is giving Theis 12 million a year.  I really don't think he is going to get more than I indicated i.e. something like 3 years, 20 million or 1 year 9 million.  Theis is not good enough or young enough to invest a bunch of money in.

Considering that Derrick Favors got a 3 year 27 million deal as a 28-29 year old big man who's good but not great last offseason, I don't see why Theis will not get similar offers.

Favors is better than Theis and the MLE is basically the best he could do.

That simply isn't true unless you only gawk at box scores to evaluate players. Also it likely wasn't the best he could do from a financial standpoint - Utah offered him a winning situation that he was familiar with besides decent money.

By all accounts the Pelicans didn't want him back and no team besides the Jazz even offered him a contract.  The best Favors could do was the MLE.  Now it is true he liked Utah a lot and he might have gone back there for less money, but no one was knocking down Favors door so it was an easy decision for him.  And Favors is better than Theis.  Not significantly, but better.  They obviously have different skill sets so a team could certainly prefer what Theis provides vs. Favors though. 

I'd be pretty surprised if anyone (except for perhaps the C's) offered Theis more than the MLE.  Borderline stunned.  I suppose some team on the fringe that strikes out completely may come in with a last minute huge offer (sort of like Charlotte with Hayward), but I don't think that is likely at all.

I'm not sure he'll get more than MLE but if TT can get MLE money, so can Theis.

I've always liked Favors.  have to admit I thought he'd be better than he is though.  wouldn't mind having Favors here coming off the bench but there's other skills we need more.

Thompson got it for 2 years though, which isn't much different than what I was projecting as his max contract offer this summer i.e. 3 years, 20 million or 1 year, 9 million.  I just don't think he will get much more than that as the vast majority of the teams that would have the most interest in him are going to only have the taxpayer MLE to offer. 

[Jvalin]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1371286714631720963?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Brad Stevens said he talked to Daniel Theis at halftime, who barely played tonight after starting. Stevens says they are going to have to limit the center rotation to just two guys between Theis, TT and Time Lord as the season goes on and they look to play smaller''.

Not sure whether Danny is willing to pay Theis. If not, now is the time to trade him.

[gouki88]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1371286714631720963?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Brad Stevens said he talked to Daniel Theis at halftime, who barely played tonight after starting. Stevens says they are going to have to limit the center rotation to just two guys between Theis, TT and Time Lord as the season goes on and they look to play smaller''.

Not sure whether Danny is willing to pay Theis. If not, now is the time to trade him.

Wow, that’s a bit of a bombshell right? One has to go now

[NKY fan]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1371286714631720963?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Brad Stevens said he talked to Daniel Theis at halftime, who barely played tonight after starting. Stevens says they are going to have to limit the center rotation to just two guys between Theis, TT and Time Lord as the season goes on and they look to play smaller''.

Not sure whether Danny is willing to pay Theis. If not, now is the time to trade him.

Wow, that’s a bit of a bombshell right? One has to go now

That sucks . Maybe trade the guy at its peak trade value.

[NKY fan]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1371286714631720963?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Brad Stevens said he talked to Daniel Theis at halftime, who barely played tonight after starting. Stevens says they are going to have to limit the center rotation to just two guys between Theis, TT and Time Lord as the season goes on and they look to play smaller''.

Not sure whether Danny is willing to pay Theis. If not, now is the time to trade him.

How about Theis and 2021 Celtics FRP (top 4 protected) to Charlotte
For Nick Richards and Charlotte 2023 FRP (top 4 protected) and only if our pick converts to them;
We roll forward our pick in a way to have more for future trades.
If we win the lottery - well we gave away Theis for nothing but have a hell of a pick to play with. Otherwise avoids having to add yet another rookie to the roster next year.

[gouki88]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1371286714631720963?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Brad Stevens said he talked to Daniel Theis at halftime, who barely played tonight after starting. Stevens says they are going to have to limit the center rotation to just two guys between Theis, TT and Time Lord as the season goes on and they look to play smaller''.

Not sure whether Danny is willing to pay Theis. If not, now is the time to trade him.

How about Theis and 2021 Celtics FRP (top 4 protected) to Charlotte
For Nick Richards and Charlotte 2023 FRP (top 4 protected) and only if our pick converts to them;
We roll forward our pick in a way to have more for future trades.
If we win the lottery - well we gave away Theis for nothing but have a hell of a pick to play with. Otherwise avoids having to add yet another rookie to the roster next year.

Not sure why we’d want a project big and a likely non-lotto pick for Theis and a non-lotto pick. Seems like a sell-low

[NKY fan]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1371286714631720963?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Brad Stevens said he talked to Daniel Theis at halftime, who barely played tonight after starting. Stevens says they are going to have to limit the center rotation to just two guys between Theis, TT and Time Lord as the season goes on and they look to play smaller''.

Not sure whether Danny is willing to pay Theis. If not, now is the time to trade him.

How about Theis and 2021 Celtics FRP (top 4 protected) to Charlotte
For Nick Richards and Charlotte 2023 FRP (top 4 protected) and only if our pick converts to them;
We roll forward our pick in a way to have more for future trades.
If we win the lottery - well we gave away Theis for nothing but have a hell of a pick to play with. Otherwise avoids having to add yet another rookie to the roster next year.

Not sure why we’d want a project big and a likely non-lotto pick for Theis and a non-lotto pick. Seems like a sell-low

So that we have more draft picks to trade for a star next season. If it seems sell low to a Celtics fan it’s probably realistic lol

[Celtics2021]

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1371286714631720963?s=20

Jared Weiss: ''Brad Stevens said he talked to Daniel Theis at halftime, who barely played tonight after starting. Stevens says they are going to have to limit the center rotation to just two guys between Theis, TT and Time Lord as the season goes on and they look to play smaller''.

Not sure whether Danny is willing to pay Theis. If not, now is the time to trade him.

Wow, that’s a bit of a bombshell right? One has to go now

It’s a bit of a bombshell, but I’m glad to hear it, as it’s been obvious that they can’t play two bigs and be effective except for some very specific matchups.  I would ultimately hope they keep Theis and trade Thompson, but so long as we cut that rotation to two, the team will be better for it.