NBA Rumors: Boston Celtics Could Land John Collins

[Celtics2021]

Collins is a mystery to me.  His numbers look great.  He has the body and all of that to be exactly what we need.  A nice young, long, skilled big.  I only have watched him play in the couple of Celtics games and I must say I was not impressed.  I did not see what I expected to see based on his record/stats.

To give up the kind of package that was discussed, you have to be 100% prepared to match any offer he gets.  That could get expensive.  Christian Wood got 3 years $41M.  Suspect it will take more to get Collins.  It's risky, that is for sure.

Trading for him with the expectation to sign him long term probably means trading Kemba in the off season.  Are we better with Collins over Walker?  I am just not sure how good Collins really is.  Are Collins and Walker both worth keeping and paying heavy tax on them?  And by "worth Keeping" I mean does that get us to the finals?

I don't think I give 3 first round picks (really 4 if you count Pritchard).  Slow play it.  If someone else overpays, fine but maybe the cost comes down some.

I’d rather have Christian Wood over John Collins. He’s a better two way player, better shooter... he has more size and length than Collins. Rockets got a steal with that signing.

Certainly rather have Wood based on that contract with the expectation that you are going to have to pay Collins, what, twice as much?  But I am not sure what that has to do with any decision to trade for Collins.  If ATL could have extended Collins for 3 years and $41M, they probably would have done that and it would be the end of the story (at least for 3 more years).

ATL offered Collins a 4yr/$90M extension that he declined. At this point, you are lookin at a guy will command $100M+. He may be worth it, but that is the biggest part of this decision. Luckily you are looking at a much smaller max than you are with Tatum - even if Tatum doesn't make All-NBA.

If Tatum doesn’t make All-NBA, Collins and Tatum would have the exact same max, as they were drafted in the same year.

[mobilija]

Can we get Vooch instead?

[hodgy03038]

Could this lineup beat the Heat and or 76ers out of the east.  And make the finals?

The Heat or 76ers? Did you forget somebody?

Bucks have no chance to beat the 76ers or Heat imo

They look even worst than last season group

I still think you are forgetting Kyrie, Harden & Durant. Are they a consideration?

[gouki88]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

Yeah, that comparison reeks of someone who has never ever seen Collins play, or thinks Theis plays like he did against Washington the other night every night.

I wouldn't give up PP and 3 1sts (I'm assuming that the top-25 protected one would transfer ) to be honest. I think PP will be a jet. Would rather give up Smart

[Tr1boy]

Can we get Vooch instead?

Likely not

Magic would have nobody if Vooch was gone

Aaron Gordon game hasnt progressed. Injury ridden these days. Fultz major injury etc

[liam]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

Yeah, that comparison reeks of someone who has never ever seen Collins play, or thinks Theis plays like he did against Washington the other night every night.

I wouldn't give up PP and 3 1sts (I'm assuming that the top-25 protected one would transfer ) to be honest. I think PP will be a jet. Would rather give up Smart

I'd give two 1sts and Green and Edwards and that's if we knew what Collins would sign a new contract at.The 1st this year will be a good one no matter were it falls in the 1st round.

[gouki88]

Can we get Vooch instead?

Likely not

Magic would have nobody if Vooch was gone

Aaron Gordon game hasnt progressed. Injury ridden these days. Fultz major injury etc

Vooch is the only reason the Magic don't have a 5-29 record, lol. Orlando have lost Isaac, Fultz, Gordon and Fournier to different injuries this year.

[todd_days_41]

We are very unlikely to have a better opportunity to improve this much any time soon.

To be clear, I like the idea of adding Collins, in a vacuum.  He fits the timeline with Jay & Jay a lot better than Kemba.  I do have some concerns about whether a combo forward who can't really defend the perimeter or the rim is going to help you win important games.  But his scoring talent and size would be welcome on this team.

The point is simply that if you add Collins it creates a new problem which is you may be squeezed to unload salary to be able to re-sign Collins without facing insane luxury taxes.

co-sign on this.

[Wretch]

I don't think the Hawks are going to be sellers in the trade market.  They just fired their coach. They're going to try for the play in games at the minimum.

I think it will be a sellers market because of the play in games and that's why I think the Cs will use the TPE during the offseason.

[Goldstar88]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

Yeah, that comparison reeks of someone who has never ever seen Collins play, or thinks Theis plays like he did against Washington the other night every night.

I wouldn't give up PP and 3 1sts (I'm assuming that the top-25 protected one would transfer ) to be honest. I think PP will be a jet. Would rather give up Smart

Watched all 3 games games against the C’s and I’ve seen him play on nationally televised games this season as well. His performances against the Celtics:

Game 1: 20pts, 6reb
Game 2: 8pts, 3reb
Game 3: 14pts, 11reb

So against the Celtics this season he’s averaged 14pts and 6 rebs. Awesome, let’s trade away a ton of assists and give him a $100m contract so that he can be a 4th scoring option, while providing average defense and rebounding. Now that would reek..

[Roy H.]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

Yeah, that comparison reeks of someone who has never ever seen Collins play, or thinks Theis plays like he did against Washington the other night every night.

I wouldn't give up PP and 3 1sts (I'm assuming that the top-25 protected one would transfer ) to be honest. I think PP will be a jet. Would rather give up Smart

Watched all 3 games games against the C’s and I’ve seen him play on nationally televised games this season as well. His performances against the Celtics:

Game 1: 20pts, 6reb
Game 2: 8pts, 3reb
Game 3: 14pts, 11reb

So against the Celtics this season he’s averaged 14pts and 6 rebs. Awesome, let’s trade away a ton of assists and give him a $100m contract so that he can be a 4th scoring option, while providing average defense and rebounding. Now that would reek..

So you’ve seen him play what, five games?  Out of 210 that he has played?

[hpantazo]

Just wondering, for the people bashing John Collins, what exactly do you hope we get with the TPE? Ainge has gone on record saying we need a skilled big who can shoot. If you don't like Collins, who are you hoping we trade for that fits that description and that we can realistically get?

[Tr1boy]

Can we get Vooch instead?

Likely not

Magic would have nobody if Vooch was gone

Aaron Gordon game hasnt progressed. Injury ridden these days. Fultz major injury etc

Vooch is the only reason the Magic don't have a 5-29 record, lol. Orlando have lost Isaac, Fultz, Gordon and Fournier to different injuries this year.

Yup

+ locked up to a long term contract

Expecting Fournier, Gordon, Ross to be traded by the deadline

[Goldstar88]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

Yeah, that comparison reeks of someone who has never ever seen Collins play, or thinks Theis plays like he did against Washington the other night every night.

I wouldn't give up PP and 3 1sts (I'm assuming that the top-25 protected one would transfer ) to be honest. I think PP will be a jet. Would rather give up Smart

Watched all 3 games games against the C’s and I’ve seen him play on nationally televised games this season as well. His performances against the Celtics:

Game 1: 20pts, 6reb
Game 2: 8pts, 3reb
Game 3: 14pts, 11reb

So against the Celtics this season he’s averaged 14pts and 6 rebs. Awesome, let’s trade away a ton of assists and give him a $100m contract so that he can be a 4th scoring option, while providing average defense and rebounding. Now that would reek..

So you’ve seen him play what, five games?  Out of 210 that he has played?

Roy, it was more than enough...

[nickagneta]

What's with the desire to trade Kemba because we trade for Collins and need to sign him long term?

The team is staying under the luxury tax this year for the express purpose of going over the luxury tax for the foreseeable future. Wyc said he would pay the tax for a contender and adding an excellent talent like Collins means the team is a contender.

You don't remove an All-Star/All-NBA worthy talent like Kemba after trading for Collins. The point of acquiring Collins is to add him to the core of Kemba, the Jays, and Smart, not to replace one of them.

Wyc has gobs and gobs of money. The fans will be back in attendance and the Celtics will return to unreal profit margins. Let Wyc pay the tax. Keep all the top notch talent. Don't water it down by trading Kemba for parts. That, IMO, wouldn't be a very intelligent move.