NBA Rumors: Boston Celtics Could Land John Collins

[Celtics2021]

Much rather have Clint Capela!  Much better rebounder and shot blocker!  With JT and JB and healthy Kemba don't know how much more shooting we need from a big.  Rather have a guy who stays inside and relentlessly rebounds and protects the rim!

ATL is unlikely going to trade Capela

Young and Capela have very good chemistry.  Capela is locked up on a good contract

And to get Capela on his superior contract, Atlanta had to give up a single lottery-protected pick, and a distant 2nd rounder (2026) as well.  The trade proposal leading off this thread is about two picks and one prospect too many.

[moiso]

I really like the deal.  We won't go over the tax this year.  I assume we are on the upswing especially if we add Collins and the draft picks won't be great.  We aren't giving up someone like Smart.  I really like how efficient Collins is in his shooting and also time of possession.  He can quietly produce big numbers without taking anything away from the Jays.  I like Collins more than pretty much everybody we are rumored to be thinking about acquiring. 

Somebody mentioned Capella.  I would have loved getting him last year and was a little upset that, at least as far as rumors go, he wasn't even considered.  I don't think he's readily available right now.

[Roy H.]

Collins makes me really nervous for a few reasons.

1. he is a legit trade target, I can 100% see DA trying to land him. He fits a need on the roster and is on the Jays timeline

2. Can the Cs afford to pay him a near max deal and still construct a bench in the future

3. While he is likely to start as a traditional PF next to Theis or R Williams ( I would move TT if Collins is brought in) he is more then likely going to have to finish the game at the 5. I'm not confident in his ability to defend in high leverage playoff situations.

For Collins to Boston to work I think the Cs would have to move Kemba in the offseason. For both financial and in game reasons. I would like to see a superior defender then Kemba added to round out the new "core group" of Tatum, Brown, Smart and Collins. This trade idea involves to many teams to be plausible but this is the type of roster construction I would like to see around a Collins trade.

 https://tradenba.com/trades/2HgSpzuic

* not a good deal for Dallas but it works with my idea of adding creation in the form of a capable defensive wing.

Why trade Thompson for Baynes? 

I would prefer Kemba over Hardaway Jr, as well.

[Tr1boy]

I think the Heat could beat the package if they added Tyler Herro.

Why would the Heat want to do that?

They need more talent to compete with the upper echelon of contenders. Collins seems to be a good fit with Butler and Bam.

Herro would be a big loss for them.  Dragic is not healthy all the time. Nunn is good but mistake prone and inconsistent

[PhoSita]

The problem isn't trading for him it's re-signing him without also dumping Kemba.

Its a nice problem to deal with after the season

Reach the finals 1st

Eh "deal with it later" is not good roster building strategy.

See: the results of the most recent offseason

[Tr1boy]

The problem isn't trading for him it's re-signing him without also dumping Kemba.

Its a nice problem to deal with after the season

Reach the finals 1st

Eh "deal with it later" is not good roster building strategy.

See: the results of the most recent offseason

the difference is that Collins is a RFA

[Roy H.]

The problem isn't trading for him it's re-signing him without also dumping Kemba.

Its a nice problem to deal with after the season

Reach the finals 1st

Eh "deal with it later" is not good roster building strategy.

See: the results of the most recent offseason

There’s a simple way to deal with it, though:  pay the tax.  That solves that particular issue.

[Vermont Green]

Collins is a mystery to me.  His numbers look great.  He has the body and all of that to be exactly what we need.  A nice young, long, skilled big.  I only have watched him play in the couple of Celtics games and I must say I was not impressed.  I did not see what I expected to see based on his record/stats.

To give up the kind of package that was discussed, you have to be 100% prepared to match any offer he gets.  That could get expensive.  Christian Wood got 3 years $41M.  Suspect it will take more to get Collins.  It's risky, that is for sure.

Trading for him with the expectation to sign him long term probably means trading Kemba in the off season.  Are we better with Collins over Walker?  I am just not sure how good Collins really is.  Are Collins and Walker both worth keeping and paying heavy tax on them?  And by "worth Keeping" I mean does that get us to the finals?

I don't think I give 3 first round picks (really 4 if you count Pritchard).  Slow play it.  If someone else overpays, fine but maybe the cost comes down some.

[Goldstar88]

Collins is a mystery to me.  His numbers look great.  He has the body and all of that to be exactly what we need.  A nice young, long, skilled big.  I only have watched him play in the couple of Celtics games and I must say I was not impressed.  I did not see what I expected to see based on his record/stats.

To give up the kind of package that was discussed, you have to be 100% prepared to match any offer he gets.  That could get expensive.  Christian Wood got 3 years $41M.  Suspect it will take more to get Collins.  It's risky, that is for sure.

Trading for him with the expectation to sign him long term probably means trading Kemba in the off season.  Are we better with Collins over Walker?  I am just not sure how good Collins really is.  Are Collins and Walker both worth keeping and paying heavy tax on them?  And by "worth Keeping" I mean does that get us to the finals?

I don't think I give 3 first round picks (really 4 if you count Pritchard).  Slow play it.  If someone else overpays, fine but maybe the cost comes down some.

I’d rather have Christian Wood over John Collins. He’s a better two way player, better shooter... he has more size and length than Collins. Rockets got a steal with that signing.

[BruceBanner18]

My concern with Collins is his lack of play making/passing. In the past 2 sessions, this roster has lost the 3 guys who actually moved the ball... Horford, Hayward and now Smart's absence has left us with 3 scorers who don't make others better and bunch of young or marginal talent.

Collins is a talent upgrade and would help but ultimately the J's need more shooters who can move the ball.

[td450]

The problem isn't trading for him it's re-signing him without also dumping Kemba.

Its a nice problem to deal with after the season

Reach the finals 1st

Eh "deal with it later" is not good roster building strategy.

See: the results of the most recent offseason

Ironic.

The way I saw last offseason, we were unwilling to choose to bail on Walker so Hayward would have a role commensurate with his abilities. I don't know if Collins would want to play here, or if he's got a competitive nature, but if you can answer both of those with a yes, you kind of have to do this.

We are very unlikely to have a better opportunity to improve this much any time soon.

[Vermont Green]

Collins is a mystery to me.  His numbers look great.  He has the body and all of that to be exactly what we need.  A nice young, long, skilled big.  I only have watched him play in the couple of Celtics games and I must say I was not impressed.  I did not see what I expected to see based on his record/stats.

To give up the kind of package that was discussed, you have to be 100% prepared to match any offer he gets.  That could get expensive.  Christian Wood got 3 years $41M.  Suspect it will take more to get Collins.  It's risky, that is for sure.

Trading for him with the expectation to sign him long term probably means trading Kemba in the off season.  Are we better with Collins over Walker?  I am just not sure how good Collins really is.  Are Collins and Walker both worth keeping and paying heavy tax on them?  And by "worth Keeping" I mean does that get us to the finals?

I don't think I give 3 first round picks (really 4 if you count Pritchard).  Slow play it.  If someone else overpays, fine but maybe the cost comes down some.

I’d rather have Christian Wood over John Collins. He’s a better two way player, better shooter... he has more size and length than Collins. Rockets got a steal with that signing.

Certainly rather have Wood based on that contract with the expectation that you are going to have to pay Collins, what, twice as much?  But I am not sure what that has to do with any decision to trade for Collins.  If ATL could have extended Collins for 3 years and $41M, they probably would have done that and it would be the end of the story (at least for 3 more years).

[GreenCoffeeBean]

I’d rather invest in RW3. With his athleticism if he improves as a passer and shooter he will be an absolute menace and the perfect pairing next to the Jays on offense and defense.

[PhoSita]

We are very unlikely to have a better opportunity to improve this much any time soon.

To be clear, I like the idea of adding Collins, in a vacuum.  He fits the timeline with Jay & Jay a lot better than Kemba.  I do have some concerns about whether a combo forward who can't really defend the perimeter or the rim is going to help you win important games.  But his scoring talent and size would be welcome on this team.

The point is simply that if you add Collins it creates a new problem which is you may be squeezed to unload salary to be able to re-sign Collins without facing insane luxury taxes.

[jambr380]

Collins is a mystery to me.  His numbers look great.  He has the body and all of that to be exactly what we need.  A nice young, long, skilled big.  I only have watched him play in the couple of Celtics games and I must say I was not impressed.  I did not see what I expected to see based on his record/stats.

To give up the kind of package that was discussed, you have to be 100% prepared to match any offer he gets.  That could get expensive.  Christian Wood got 3 years $41M.  Suspect it will take more to get Collins.  It's risky, that is for sure.

Trading for him with the expectation to sign him long term probably means trading Kemba in the off season.  Are we better with Collins over Walker?  I am just not sure how good Collins really is.  Are Collins and Walker both worth keeping and paying heavy tax on them?  And by "worth Keeping" I mean does that get us to the finals?

I don't think I give 3 first round picks (really 4 if you count Pritchard).  Slow play it.  If someone else overpays, fine but maybe the cost comes down some.

I’d rather have Christian Wood over John Collins. He’s a better two way player, better shooter... he has more size and length than Collins. Rockets got a steal with that signing.

Certainly rather have Wood based on that contract with the expectation that you are going to have to pay Collins, what, twice as much?  But I am not sure what that has to do with any decision to trade for Collins.  If ATL could have extended Collins for 3 years and $41M, they probably would have done that and it would be the end of the story (at least for 3 more years).

ATL offered Collins a 4yr/$90M extension that he declined. At this point, you are lookin at a guy will command $100M+. He may be worth it, but that is the biggest part of this decision. Luckily you are looking at a much smaller max than you are with Tatum - even if Tatum doesn't make All-NBA.