NBA Rumors: Boston Celtics Could Land John Collins

[gift]

I'd try to add some protections to that '23 pick also.

[Ed Monix]

Take this rumor with a grain of salt

But also it is not unrealistic.  A bit of an overpay if you ask me..

Boston Celtics Receive: John Collins

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Payton Pritchard, Carsen Edwards, 2021 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (top-25 protected)

Jay King: Danny Ainge has made it clear what he wants to find at the trade deadline: A shooter with size. Because the Celtics are building around Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, the ideal scenario would be to find pieces who can help immediately but also grow alongside those two guys. Collins would be an interesting target because of his youth, production and versatility. He has proven himself as a roll man. He has proven he can succeed on the perimeter. He’s still not the world’s greatest defender, but adding a 6-foot-9, athletic power forward could give Boston more options on that side of the court.

Kirschner: So to write it out clearly, it would be Prichard, Edwards, two firsts and a second.

… If this is the best deal Schlenk thinks he can get, and he knows he isn’t going to match a $100-plus million offer sheet, then it makes sense. I, personally, wouldn’t feel great about it, but these are the tough decisions general managers have to make when it comes to team building.

Weiss: OK, let’s see if we can push this over the finish line then. How would Schlenk feel turning that second into a vanishing first, giving it a top-25 protection that then converts into a pair of seconds if it doesn’t convey? So that would be Pritchard, Edwards, firsts in ’21 and ’23 and a vanishing first in ’25.

Kirschner: I think that’s enough draft capital to get a deal done with Boston. Definitely would see if any team wanted to include a better young player in the deal before making this one, but with the possibility of three firsts, let’s make a deal.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2021/02/27/nba-rumors-boston-celtics-could-land-john-collins/

Lineup post trade could look like

Theis
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Walker

TL/TT
Semi/Grant
Langford/Nesmith
Smart/Waters

Could this lineup beat the Heat and or 76ers out of the east.  And make the finals?

Not sure about this because remember that we already have 3 max contracts and I believe that Hawks are open to trade Collins because of him wanting a max deal.

From what I’ve read Wyc and Celtics ownership are willing to pay the luxury tax if they believe the team is a contender but given this team’s massive issues (Collins isn’t the solution) i highly doubt they would trade for him at this point.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Take this rumor with a grain of salt

But also it is not unrealistic.  A bit of an overpay if you ask me..

Boston Celtics Receive: John Collins

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Payton Pritchard, Carsen Edwards, 2021 first-round pick, 2023 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (top-25 protected)

Jay King: Danny Ainge has made it clear what he wants to find at the trade deadline: A shooter with size. Because the Celtics are building around Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, the ideal scenario would be to find pieces who can help immediately but also grow alongside those two guys. Collins would be an interesting target because of his youth, production and versatility. He has proven himself as a roll man. He has proven he can succeed on the perimeter. He’s still not the world’s greatest defender, but adding a 6-foot-9, athletic power forward could give Boston more options on that side of the court.

Kirschner: So to write it out clearly, it would be Prichard, Edwards, two firsts and a second.

… If this is the best deal Schlenk thinks he can get, and he knows he isn’t going to match a $100-plus million offer sheet, then it makes sense. I, personally, wouldn’t feel great about it, but these are the tough decisions general managers have to make when it comes to team building.

Weiss: OK, let’s see if we can push this over the finish line then. How would Schlenk feel turning that second into a vanishing first, giving it a top-25 protection that then converts into a pair of seconds if it doesn’t convey? So that would be Pritchard, Edwards, firsts in ’21 and ’23 and a vanishing first in ’25.

Kirschner: I think that’s enough draft capital to get a deal done with Boston. Definitely would see if any team wanted to include a better young player in the deal before making this one, but with the possibility of three firsts, let’s make a deal.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2021/02/27/nba-rumors-boston-celtics-could-land-john-collins/

Lineup post trade could look like

Theis
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Walker

TL/TT
Semi/Grant
Langford/Nesmith
Smart/Waters

Could this lineup beat the Heat and or 76ers out of the east.  And make the finals?

Not sure about this because remember that we already have 3 max contracts and I believe that Hawks are open to trade Collins because of him wanting a max deal.

From what I’ve read Wyc and Celtics ownership are willing to pay the luxury tax if they believe the team is a contender but given this team’s massive issues (Collins isn’t the solution) i highly doubt they would trade for him at this point.

Collins is also not worth a max but in a league with 30 teams I’m sure he will get one anyway from a team that will never compete

[Goldstar88]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

He’s a better version of Daniel Theis. Both are the same size and athletic, Collins more so. Theis is shooting 38% from 3pt, Collins is at 39%.  Theis has a higher FG% at 57% vs 54%.

Also, Collins is not a 20/10 guy. He’s at 18/7. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a nice player, but this would be a massive overpay and he’s not worth a max deal.

[PhoSita]

The problem isn't trading for him it's re-signing him without also dumping Kemba.

[Roy H.]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

He’s a better version of Daniel Theis. Both are the same size and athletic, Collins more so. Theis is shooting 38% from 3pt, Collins is at 39%.  Theis has a higher FG% at 57% vs 54%.

Also, Collins is not a 20/10 guy. He’s at 18/7. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a nice player, but this would be a massive overpay and he’s not worth a max deal.

He was 20 / 10 the prior two seasons.  Theis is a 9 / 5 guy. 

He plays much more above the rim than Theis does, and shoots from deep at higher volume.

I guess it’s a quibble on my part, but these comparisons sometimes just lose meaning. A player who is more athletic than Theis and doubles his production? That’s no longer Daniel Theis, that’s an all star.  It’s like calling Robert Williams a lesser version of Embiid without an outside shot.

[Tr1boy]

The problem isn't trading for him it's re-signing him without also dumping Kemba.

Its a nice problem to deal with after the season

Reach the finals 1st

[A Future of Stevens]

I don't really see this as fixing enough of our problems to make it to the finals. We would still have every issue guarding embiid, Giannis should still tear us up, and Brk would shred them.

I think Collins is a good young offensive big, but he has along way to go defensively. It would be an interesting shake up sure, but there would still be a ton of questions.

[todd_days_41]

The problem isn't trading for him it's re-signing him without also dumping Kemba.

Same is true for any full scale use of the TPE... isn't it?

[OhioGreen]

Much rather have Clint Capela!  Much better rebounder and shot blocker!  With JT and JB and healthy Kemba don't know how much more shooting we need from a big.  Rather have a guy who stays inside and relentlessly rebounds and protects the rim!

[Goldstar88]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

He’s a better version of Daniel Theis. Both are the same size and athletic, Collins more so. Theis is shooting 38% from 3pt, Collins is at 39%.  Theis has a higher FG% at 57% vs 54%.

Also, Collins is not a 20/10 guy. He’s at 18/7. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a nice player, but this would be a massive overpay and he’s not worth a max deal.

He was 20 / 10 the prior two seasons.  Theis is a 9 / 5 guy. 

He plays much more above the rim than Theis does, and shoots from deep at higher volume.

I guess it’s a quibble on my part, but these comparisons sometimes just lose meaning. A player who is more athletic than Theis and doubles his production? That’s no longer Daniel Theis, that’s an all star.  It’s like calling Robert Williams a lesser version of Embiid without an outside shot.

He’s doesn’t double his production. If Collins is this elite player, why are his numbers down from last year. Why isn’t he an All Star? 18/7 as a second option on the Hawks isn’t super impressive.

John Collins Per 36:

21.1pts, 8.8reb, 1.2blk, 1.7ast, .5stl


Daniel Theis per 36:

13.6pts, 7.4 reb, 1.7blk, 2ast, .9stl

[Roy H.]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

He’s a better version of Daniel Theis. Both are the same size and athletic, Collins more so. Theis is shooting 38% from 3pt, Collins is at 39%.  Theis has a higher FG% at 57% vs 54%.

Also, Collins is not a 20/10 guy. He’s at 18/7. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a nice player, but this would be a massive overpay and he’s not worth a max deal.

He was 20 / 10 the prior two seasons.  Theis is a 9 / 5 guy. 

He plays much more above the rim than Theis does, and shoots from deep at higher volume.

I guess it’s a quibble on my part, but these comparisons sometimes just lose meaning. A player who is more athletic than Theis and doubles his production? That’s no longer Daniel Theis, that’s an all star.  It’s like calling Robert Williams a lesser version of Embiid without an outside shot.

He’s doesn’t double his production. If Collins is this elite player, why are his numbers down from last year. Why isn’t he an All Star? 18/7 as a second option on the Hawks isn’t super impressive.

John Collins Per 36:

21.1pts, 8.8reb, 1.2blk, 1.7ast, .5stl


Daniel Theis per 36:

13.6pts, 7.4 reb, 1.7blk, 2ast, .9stl

Tatum is statistically similar per-36 to Jordan Clarkson.

And, Collins has seen his stats go down not due to regression, but because he is getting fewer shots due to Gallinari, etc., beinf added.

[Tr1boy]

Much rather have Clint Capela!  Much better rebounder and shot blocker!  With JT and JB and healthy Kemba don't know how much more shooting we need from a big.  Rather have a guy who stays inside and relentlessly rebounds and protects the rim!

ATL is unlikely going to trade Capela

Young and Capela have very good chemistry.  Capela is locked up on a good contract

[CFAN38]

Collins makes me really nervous for a few reasons.

1. he is a legit trade target, I can 100% see DA trying to land him. He fits a need on the roster and is on the Jays timeline

2. Can the Cs afford to pay him a near max deal and still construct a bench in the future

3. While he is likely to start as a traditional PF next to Theis or R Williams ( I would move TT if Collins is brought in) he is more then likely going to have to finish the game at the 5. I'm not confident in his ability to defend in high leverage playoff situations.

For Collins to Boston to work I think the Cs would have to move Kemba in the offseason. For both financial and in game reasons. I would like to see a superior defender then Kemba added to round out the new "core group" of Tatum, Brown, Smart and Collins. This trade idea involves to many teams to be plausible but this is the type of roster construction I would like to see around a Collins trade.

 https://tradenba.com/trades/2HgSpzuic

* not a good deal for Dallas but it works with my idea of adding creation in the form of a capable defensive wing.

[byennie]

How reliable is Fadeawayworld.net? Massive overpay. Collins is basically Daniel Theis +. Pass...

Daniel Theis if he was a 20 / 10 guy who hit 40% of his threes.

He’s a better version of Daniel Theis. Both are the same size and athletic, Collins more so. Theis is shooting 38% from 3pt, Collins is at 39%.  Theis has a higher FG% at 57% vs 54%.

Also, Collins is not a 20/10 guy. He’s at 18/7. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a nice player, but this would be a massive overpay and he’s not worth a max deal.

Lol at "better version of Daniel Theis". Collins is much, much closer to KAT than Theis. He may or may not be a wise decision at the maximum salary, but it defies common sense to imply the difference with Theis is small. There is just no comparison between a guy who is putting up 9/5 in his prime, and a guy who averaged 20/10 over his 21 and 22 year-old seasons, while nearly putting up an absurd 60/40/80 split last year.

18/8 on 54/39/85 with reduced minutes in a dead-end role, and a couple more FGA than Marcus Smart doesn't exactly scream "decline" to me.