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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2021, 11:34:56 AM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

For me

I know Ibaka would have been a great grab.  But Danny would have had to find cap space and fork over 15 million per season

Draft Saddiq Bey and Bane.  He wanted 3 pt help, and these guys would have helped right away.   

At the PG position, he probably regrets not resigning Wannamaker (only pennies more expensive).  A 6'4 strong body/versatile defense plus 3 pt shooting target

TP for the Wanamaker  call out. We really are missing that Wanamaker/Turner type on the bench.

yup. He is providing the same steady production off the bench for GSW

Go look again.



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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2021, 11:37:13 AM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

Danny couldn't make this trade even if he wanted to. Wyc was not going to sign off on it

That’s the first that I have heard that reasoning. Is there any proof of that, other than absolutely pure conjecture?

Wyc said it yesterday... not word for word

but he was not going to be a repeat luxury tax payer in this economic climate (covid)

They are not going to use the major TPE by the trade deadline (unlikely he said) ,  which is another clue

I’m just not sure if this is true. Zach Lowe reported months ago that we were willing to offer Hayward somewhere between $108 and $112 million over four years.  And of course, if Hayward picked up his option, we would have been over the tax.


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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2021, 11:37:41 AM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

For me

I know Ibaka would have been a great grab.  But Danny would have had to find cap space and fork over 15 million per season

Draft Saddiq Bey and Bane.  He wanted 3 pt help, and these guys would have helped right away.   

At the PG position, he probably regrets not resigning Wannamaker (only pennies more expensive).  A 6'4 strong body/versatile defense plus 3 pt shooting target

TP for the Wanamaker  call out. We really are missing that Wanamaker/Turner type on the bench.

yup. He is providing the same steady production off the bench for GSW

Go look again.

I did.  His mins are down on that team

but at the rate of production its about the same  the season prior

The guy is usually solid for 6 points per game.  Plus his versatile underrated defense. 

Celts have lost 4 or 5 close ones this season.
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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2021, 11:42:20 AM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

Danny couldn't make this trade even if he wanted to. Wyc was not going to sign off on it

That’s the first that I have heard that reasoning. Is there any proof of that, other than absolutely pure conjecture?

Wyc said it yesterday... not word for word

but he was not going to be a repeat luxury tax payer in this economic climate (covid)

They are not going to use the major TPE by the trade deadline (unlikely he said) ,  which is another clue

I’m just not sure if this is true. Zach Lowe reported months ago that we were willing to offer Hayward somewhere between $108 and $112 million over four years.  And of course, if Hayward picked up his option, we would have been over the tax.

For Hayward yes. But not for Turner and Mcdermott  is my guess

GSW is paying an astronomical tax when they added Oubre using the TPE

Wyc was asked about Hayward/Indiana.  And he danced around the subject.  And then was asked if he is willing to "spend"/use the TPE

He spoke about the current economic climate (covid) and that it is unlikely the TPE will be used at the trade deadline




Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2021, 11:49:49 AM »

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It’s interesting both Gorman and Wyc made radio appearances today. I wonder if the organization can sense fans are ready to turn on the team.

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Celtics Governor Wyc Grousbeck says that Boston is not contenders: "You can't say you're contenders if your record is under .500."

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On 98.5, Wyc Grousbeck says he's very happy with Brad Stevens. He's very happy with how players have developed under Brad.

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Wyc on 98.5: "We had hoped Kyrie would stay forever and lead us all the way. ... That change touched off a lot of stuff."

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A couple more things from Grousbeck:

-Believes team has the makings of something good

-Team will consider using part of TPE this season, but may be best to use in offseason

-Kyrie leaving "touched off a lot of stuff"

-Team won't tank "That's not us."

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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2021, 11:50:44 AM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

For me

I know Ibaka would have been a great grab.  But Danny would have had to find cap space and fork over 15 million per season

Draft Saddiq Bey and Bane.  He wanted 3 pt help, and these guys would have helped right away.   

At the PG position, he probably regrets not resigning Wannamaker (only pennies more expensive).  A 6'4 strong body/versatile defense plus 3 pt shooting target

TP for the Wanamaker  call out. We really are missing that Wanamaker/Turner type on the bench.

yup. He is providing the same steady production off the bench for GSW

Go look again.

I did.  His mins are down on that team

but at the rate of production its about the same  the season prior

The guy is usually solid for 6 points per game.  Plus his versatile underrated defense. 

Celts have lost 4 or 5 close ones this season.

He’s actually been less productive than Teague this year though. His shooting has been horrific. Free agency did not work out well for either of Wanamaker or Teague.


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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2021, 03:05:29 PM »

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Listening to Brad on Zo today. He said he sent tape to a player... my guess is to Pritchard. To play with force like he did against the Pacers the last time

Pritchard has hit a rookie wall

Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2021, 05:51:46 PM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

For me

I know Ibaka would have been a great grab.  But Danny would have had to find cap space and fork over 15 million per season

Draft Saddiq Bey and Bane.  He wanted 3 pt help, and these guys would have helped right away.   

At the PG position, he probably regrets not resigning Wannamaker (only pennies more expensive).  A 6'4 strong body/versatile defense plus 3 pt shooting target

TP for the Wanamaker  call out. We really are missing that Wanamaker/Turner type on the bench.

So funny how short some people's memories are...everyone was trashing Wanamaker on this forum last year and now he's our savior. I guess it's true when they say you don't know how good something is until it's gone. :angel:
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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2021, 07:38:38 PM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague
Can’t tell you how much it hurts to see how solid Tillman has been :(
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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2021, 07:45:42 PM »

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i believe that given (1) the talent available AFTER this season as compared what is available now, and, (2) the ownership need to avoid three straight years of penalty for exceeding the cap....

celtics are more likely to conserve the TPE this year. so no cavalry to the rescue...which given this season may be the right choice. not my preference, but i understand it.

over on SoSH they are having a big and detailed discussion on this. here is part of what they are saying in terms of salary, budget, cap, etc. and how it affects ainge's decisions. they make a good case for why ainge wont make a TPE this year.

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I started this season on the "Use the TPE mid-season to fill a hole" but am now moving to the "save it for the off-season when they can use it all on one guy." That said, can someone clarify some cap rules for me, if they were to use it this season?

If I understand correctly, unlike other sports, the NBA cap is all predicated on how a team ENDS it's season, not how it starts, nor is there any pro-rating of salaries. So if the Celt's made a trade today of someone like Romeo for a future draft pick, then Romeo's salary for this season (roughly $3.6Mil) would come off the cap, and thus both numbers listed by lexrageorge above would increase by that amount (roughly $3.6Mil in the case of Romeo). Is that correct?


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The short answer was given by @nighthob , so I will just add some detail.

Because the Celtics are over the soft cap, they would normally have a full $28.5M with which to add a player. Basically, the incoming salaries could be up to $28.6M ($28.5 + $100K) greater than any outgoing salary. Except there are 2 limitations that apply this season:

a.) The Celtics have $13.5M of space under the luxury tax threshold. If they cross it, they pay a repeater tax because they were over it last season, and will also have to pay repeater next season, as their committed salaries are essentially at the tax threshold already.

b.) Because the Celtics used the full MLE to sign Tristan Thompson, they have a hard cap at the apron, which is $139M, giving them $19.8M of usable TPE space. So if the salaries they receive in a trade exceed this, they will have to send out additional salary to stay under the apron.

Once the new league year starts this summer, the Celtics will no longer be hard-capped at the apron, so they would have the full $28.5M available. The same salary matching rules still apply. There are some potential gotchas, however:

1.) The team will be in luxury tax territory, so it will be Wyc's decision as to how much tax dollars they want to pay to bring a player in. I don't believe it will be much of a consideration if the team appears to be on the threshold of contention, but I'm not Joe from accounting either

2.) If the Celtics acquire an RFA or UFA via a sign-and-trade, they will be hard-capped at the apron once again, which gives them only $10M or so available. So they would need to send out the appropriate matching salaries in any such trade.

3.) The Celtics could try to sign RFA or UFA outright, but they would only have the taxpayer MLE available.

4.) The Celtics could try to trade for a player under contract, in which case they have the full TPE available (assuming #1 is not an issue). They just need to find a willing trade partner.

I wouldn't rule out the Celtics making a move this season, but it seems unlikely barring something unforseen.


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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2021, 07:48:29 PM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague
Can’t tell you how much it hurts to see how solid Tillman has been :(

Yeah, he seemed like such an obvious fit.  I mean, if you, Triboy and I all agree on the same pick, it must be at least a fit on paper.  To see him validate those expectations is frustrating, particularly when you realize that they dumped that pick to save $2 million or so.


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Re: Wyc on 98.5
« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2021, 07:55:11 PM »

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If they cross it, they pay a repeater tax because they were over it last season, and will also have to pay repeater next season, as their committed salaries are essentially at the tax threshold already.

This part is inaccurate.  We are not in the repeater tax yet, even if we exceed it this year. The repeater tax doesn’t kick in unless you’ve been in the tax for 3 out of 4 seasons.  The next season (the 5th) the team would pay the repeater tax if it ends that 5th season above the tax.


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« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2021, 08:23:27 PM »

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If they cross it, they pay a repeater tax because they were over it last season, and will also have to pay repeater next season, as their committed salaries are essentially at the tax threshold already.

This part is inaccurate.  We are not in the repeater tax yet, even if we exceed it this year. The repeater tax doesn’t kick in unless you’ve been in the tax for 3 out of 4 seasons.  The next season (the 5th) the team would pay the repeater tax if it ends that 5th season above the tax.
true, but is there any doubt that the celtics will be exceed it next year? and that makes 3 in a row.
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« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2021, 10:07:17 PM »

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If they cross it, they pay a repeater tax because they were over it last season, and will also have to pay repeater next season, as their committed salaries are essentially at the tax threshold already.

This part is inaccurate.  We are not in the repeater tax yet, even if we exceed it this year. The repeater tax doesn’t kick in unless you’ve been in the tax for 3 out of 4 seasons.  The next season (the 5th) the team would pay the repeater tax if it ends that 5th season above the tax.
true, but is there any doubt that the celtics will be exceed it next year? and that makes 3 in a row.

Correct.  And if in the ‘22-‘23 season we were still over the tax, we’d be subject to the repeater penalties at the end of that season.

In the meantime, Wyc will see the Celtics appreciate tens (or hundreds) of millions of dollars, and he’ll see profits between $50 and $80 million each year.


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« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2021, 11:05:11 PM »

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Danny Ainge clip from two hours ago

https://omny.fm/shows/toucher-rich-1/danny-ainge-joins-toucher-rich-boston-bruins-forwa

Danny suggests they brought in the wrong players (without naming names) and suggests that there were missed opportunities in the off-season.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but...

* Make the Turner / McDermott / #1 trade

* Give Milsap a 3rd year

* Draft Xavier Tilman; trade Kanter to Portland

* Sign Cousins

Turner / Cousins / Williams
Milsap / Theis / Tilman
Tatum / McDermott / Langford
Brown / Smart / Nesmith
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague
Can’t tell you how much it hurts to see how solid Tillman has been :(

Yeah, he seemed like such an obvious fit.  I mean, if you, Triboy and I all agree on the same pick, it must be at least a fit on paper.  To see him validate those expectations is frustrating, particularly when you realize that they dumped that pick to save $2 million or so.

Seriously. Basketball gods made Tillman available at 30 ... but Danny did something strange with that pick