Wyc on 98.5

[liam]

So he said the teams not good so we aren't going to improve it cause it's not good enough....

No fireworks...

no work...

no...

 

[Vermont Green]

Nothing surprising said.  Nothing concerning said.  As to using the TPE, you can't come out and say we really want to get something at the deadline, that makes you look hungry and erodes your negotiating position some.  Even with that, you should be able to add something up to the deadline that helps now some but doesn't hurt the future.

As to the more general, stay the course, don't do anything rash, keep the keepers, I agree with all of that.

[blink]

well that is disappointing.  I don't see how options are going to be magically better for the TPE after the season is over.  Maybe someone here smarter than me can explain that part?

maybe there really is discussion in moving Kemba and the team wants him to recover as fully as possible to increase his trade value as part of a larger deal?  Maybe that takes the rest of the season to show that he is ok health wise?  I dunnu I am grasping at straws.

[Jiri Welsch]

well that is disappointing.  I don't see how options are going to be magically better for the TPE after the season is over.  Maybe someone here smarter than me can explain that part?

maybe there really is discussion in moving Kemba and the team wants him to recover as fully as possible to increase his trade value as part of a larger deal?  Maybe that takes the rest of the season to show that he is ok health wise?  I dunnu I am grasping at straws.

The TPE is large and means the Celtics could in theory take on a salary of ~28 million per year. However, in hopes of resetting the repeat luxury tax offender timeline (and therefore being able to have higher payrolls in future years) the team doesn't want to take on player salaries with an average annual value of ~20 million+.

Therefore, Wyc is probably thinking "we aren't winning this year, we should just reset the luxury tax and try to acquire a high paid player during the couple week window in the offseason when we still have the TPE."

[blink]

well that is disappointing.  I don't see how options are going to be magically better for the TPE after the season is over.  Maybe someone here smarter than me can explain that part?

maybe there really is discussion in moving Kemba and the team wants him to recover as fully as possible to increase his trade value as part of a larger deal?  Maybe that takes the rest of the season to show that he is ok health wise?  I dunnu I am grasping at straws.

The TPE is large and means the Celtics could in theory take on a salary of ~28 million per year. However, in hopes of resetting the repeat luxury tax offender timeline (and therefore being able to have higher payrolls in future years) the team doesn't want to take on player salaries with an average annual value of ~20 million+.

Therefore, Wyc is probably thinking "we aren't winning this year, we should just reset the luxury tax and try to acquire a high paid player during the couple week window in the offseason when we still have the TPE."

ahhh ok.  great.  thanks for the detailed response.  I need to learn more about the ins and outs of the salary cap.  TP!

Doesn't that put more pressure to find a deal in a short amount of time though?  I guess that is why a lot of TPE's go unused.  Is potentially losing Hayward for nothing (not using the TPE because you couldn't find a dance partner in that shorter window of time) better than at least getting some roster help and using it now?

[Roy H.]

well that is disappointing.  I don't see how options are going to be magically better for the TPE after the season is over.  Maybe someone here smarter than me can explain that part?

maybe there really is discussion in moving Kemba and the team wants him to recover as fully as possible to increase his trade value as part of a larger deal?  Maybe that takes the rest of the season to show that he is ok health wise?  I dunnu I am grasping at straws.

The TPE is large and means the Celtics could in theory take on a salary of ~28 million per year. However, in hopes of resetting the repeat luxury tax offender timeline (and therefore being able to have higher payrolls in future years) the team doesn't want to take on player salaries with an average annual value of ~20 million+.

Therefore, Wyc is probably thinking "we aren't winning this year, we should just reset the luxury tax and try to acquire a high paid player during the couple week window in the offseason when we still have the TPE."

Anybody want to place a bet on the likelihood of Wyc signing off on adding a $25+ million player next season?

I mean, his franchise is only worth $3 billion and he’s been averaging about $80 million in profits each year for the last several seasons.  How will his kids eat if he only makes $60 million next year?

[keevsnick]

well that is disappointing.  I don't see how options are going to be magically better for the TPE after the season is over.  Maybe someone here smarter than me can explain that part?

maybe there really is discussion in moving Kemba and the team wants him to recover as fully as possible to increase his trade value as part of a larger deal?  Maybe that takes the rest of the season to show that he is ok health wise?  I dunnu I am grasping at straws.

The TPE is large and means the Celtics could in theory take on a salary of ~28 million per year. However, in hopes of resetting the repeat luxury tax offender timeline (and therefore being able to have higher payrolls in future years) the team doesn't want to take on player salaries with an average annual value of ~20 million+.

Therefore, Wyc is probably thinking "we aren't winning this year, we should just reset the luxury tax and try to acquire a high paid player during the couple week window in the offseason when we still have the TPE."

ahhh ok.  great.  thanks for the detailed response.  I need to learn more about the ins and outs of the salary cap.  TP!

Doesn't that put more pressure to find a deal in a short amount of time though?  I guess that is why a lot of TPE's go unused.  Is potentially losing Hayward for nothing (not using the TPE because you couldn't find a dance partner in that shorter window of time) better than at least getting some roster help and using it now?

On the other hand.... it not like there is a ton of players in that 20-28 million dollar range that are likely to be available this summer. If you REALLY wnat someone you can always generate more money under the tax and/or hard cap this year by trading someone like Tristan Thompson which would open up CLOSE to the full TPE for use.

So in reality the benefits to waiting until the offseason are actually somewhat limited especially because even before using the TPE the Celtics will be very expensive next season. With Tatum's extension they will be at or over the luxury tax even WITHOUT using the TPE at all. So if they wnat to use 25 million of the TPE this off season it means going DEEP into the tax, something they have not done before. It seems much more likely they'd limit themselves to using less than 20 million of it next year regardless.

There arent actually a lot of good arguments for waiting. This is mostly about expectation management, better to set the bar low and say "we MAY not use it" then admit the obvious which is they absolutely should use at least part by the deadline and failing to do so would be a failure this season. 

TLDR: There actually isnt much added benefit to waiting, but WYC is trying to manage expectations here.

[gouki88]

well that is disappointing.  I don't see how options are going to be magically better for the TPE after the season is over.  Maybe someone here smarter than me can explain that part?

maybe there really is discussion in moving Kemba and the team wants him to recover as fully as possible to increase his trade value as part of a larger deal?  Maybe that takes the rest of the season to show that he is ok health wise?  I dunnu I am grasping at straws.

The TPE is large and means the Celtics could in theory take on a salary of ~28 million per year. However, in hopes of resetting the repeat luxury tax offender timeline (and therefore being able to have higher payrolls in future years) the team doesn't want to take on player salaries with an average annual value of ~20 million+.

Therefore, Wyc is probably thinking "we aren't winning this year, we should just reset the luxury tax and try to acquire a high paid player during the couple week window in the offseason when we still have the TPE."

Anybody want to place a bet on the likelihood of Wyc signing off on adding a $25+ million player next season?

I mean, his franchise is only worth $3 billion and he’s been averaging about $80 million in profits each year for the last several seasons.  How will his kids eat if he only makes $60 million next year?

Not too bad considering he bought the Cs for $360m.

Poor Wyc, his net worth of nearly half a billion might take a tiny hit if he spent some money!

[Roy H.]

well that is disappointing.  I don't see how options are going to be magically better for the TPE after the season is over.  Maybe someone here smarter than me can explain that part?

maybe there really is discussion in moving Kemba and the team wants him to recover as fully as possible to increase his trade value as part of a larger deal?  Maybe that takes the rest of the season to show that he is ok health wise?  I dunnu I am grasping at straws.

The TPE is large and means the Celtics could in theory take on a salary of ~28 million per year. However, in hopes of resetting the repeat luxury tax offender timeline (and therefore being able to have higher payrolls in future years) the team doesn't want to take on player salaries with an average annual value of ~20 million+.

Therefore, Wyc is probably thinking "we aren't winning this year, we should just reset the luxury tax and try to acquire a high paid player during the couple week window in the offseason when we still have the TPE."

Anybody want to place a bet on the likelihood of Wyc signing off on adding a $25+ million player next season?

I mean, his franchise is only worth $3 billion and he’s been averaging about $80 million in profits each year for the last several seasons.  How will his kids eat if he only makes $60 million next year?

Not too bad considering he bought the Cs for $360m.

Poor Wyc, his net worth of nearly half a billion might take a tiny hit if he spent some money!

I think that that net worth is wildly underreported.  He’s been at about the same figure for a decade, despite the franchise appreciating nearly 1000% in value.

[Kuberski33]

He sounded like an owner - one who takes the big picture view and does not overreact - unlike most of us. 
He hesitated for just a half second when asked about Brad, but when you consider the fact that Brad's under contract - for a lot of money - looks like he's going to be the coach moving forward.

What I'd like to have heard Felger or Mazz ask - was about the bench and how Danny's drafting has created the current bench.

But he said it - they're rebuilding, not contenders this season and pretty much said we all need patience. And he's making his bed with Ainge and Brad.

At least barring a huge losing streak that puts them in lottery land....

[footey]

Gorman’s words refreshing.

Wyc towing party line.

[Tr1boy]

How Gorman went off this morning

And you rarely hear guys in his position go off on a team nevermind two all star players

Is he asking to get into trouble or...

Or he is Mike Gorman. Untouchable 

[liam]

How Gorman went off this morning

And you rarely hear guys in his position go off on a team nevermind two all star players

Is he asking to get into trouble or...

Or he is Mike Gorman. Untouchable 

Untouchable.

[Donoghus]

How Gorman went off this morning

And you rarely hear guys in his position go off on a team nevermind two all star players

Is he asking to get into trouble or...

Or he is Mike Gorman. Untouchable 

Untouchable.

Yeah, he's a legend.  He's leaves when he decides to. 

[ETNCeltics]

What's the point in spending a ton of TPE during this season if we continue on our current course?

It's one thing to do it if we turn things around, but getting a 3rd tier role player isn't going to change much here.

Bottom line: we're tied to JT & JB. They have to play more consistent, and Kemba has to start making shots. If those things don't happen, nothing Wyc & Ainge could do at the deadline would be meaningful with respect to the 2021 playoffs.