Did Danny blow it when he let Terry Rozier go?

[GreenWarrior]

This was danny's first mistake and it all went downhill from there.

After that season when rozier's value was never higher. he actually should've been dealt at the trade deadline that season but at least in the off season.

This, imo is where we lost kyrie as I believe he had an open mind about playing in Boston... And then he realized it was amateur hr. when it came to how we handled the whole situation we were in.

Danny wasn't sure if he wanted to commit to the young guys or the veterans. And brad clearly had shown he doesn't get that the nba consists of grown men playing basketball and not kids.

Danny's indecision here really cost us, and it ultimately might end up tatum and brown playing elsewhere.

[NKY fan]

This was danny's first mistake and it all went downhill from there.

After that season when rozier's value was never higher. he actually should've been dealt at the trade deadline that season but at least in the off season.

This, imo is where we lost kyrie as I believe he had an open mind about playing in Boston... And then he realized it was amateur hr. when it came to how we handled the whole situation we were in.

Danny wasn't sure if he wanted to commit to the young guys or the veterans. And brad clearly had shown he doesn't get that the nba consists of grown men playing basketball and not kids.

Danny's indecision here really cost us, and it ultimately might end up tatum and brown playing elsewhere.

Thanks god we lost Kyrie lol. Danny lost with his evaluations that Kyrie could be his leading player. Clearly didn’t do his due diligence there. He still insists the trade was great at the time lol.
I think what Danny should have done is keep rolling over his draft picks for future drafts and have the stockpile of picks ready to pounce when the Js look ready. In the meantime you have Horford and Hayward to compete with. I also think he blew it with Utah when they wanted a S&T with Hayward. I think he should have just send them IT and Crowder ... keep Olynyk and Bradley and ask for a first rounder from the Jazz. It is easy after the fact but Danny got really greedy there.
I wonder with him having so many picks if he would be able to pull the trigger on Davis.

[nickagneta]

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

After that 2019 playoff loss that left a very bitter taste in every fan's mouth and Rozier ran to do the ESPN sports talk show circuit, almost no one wanted Rozier anywhere near this team.

Unless, of course, you are one of the posters that have already posted in this thread declaring the Celtics need to definitely keep Rozier over Kemba. You guys were spot on at the time....I am sure.   

[ozgod]

Based on the situation at the time it was clearly the right decision to let Rozier walk.

[Csfan1984]

Looks like he did make a bad call on Rozier. But without really knowing what happened in the locker room I'm unsure. At first I said he made the right call as I thought Hayward and Rozier also clashed but apparently they didn't as Hayward went to Hornets after. Seems C's true mistake was not moving Irving at the deadline like some in the organization wanted and committing to Rozier for half the season. Moving on from Rozier and getting nice guy Kemba was thought to be good for the Js. Kemba did improve the locker room at least.

[td450]

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

After that 2019 playoff loss that left a very bitter taste in every fan's mouth and Rozier ran to do the ESPN sports talk show circuit, almost no one wanted Rozier anywhere near this team.

Unless, of course, you are one of the posters that have already posted in this thread declaring the Celtics need to definitely keep Rozier over Kemba. You guys were spot on at the time....I am sure.   

There were many posts made all along the way questioning Kyrie Irving's disposition and what that would do to the team. It was a clever move trading IT for him, but a stupid move trying to keep him longer term. It was impossible to keep Irving, Smart and Rozier, and many posters saw it in advance and wrote about it.

[Moranis]

I didn't want TRoz back.  He wore out his welcome. I had 2 issues though.  First, was Ainge basically knew he was going to move on and didn't trade him at the deadline. Second, Kemba, while be a great player, didn't fit the timeline of Tatum/Brown and was thus not the correct acquisition for the team.

[GreenWarrior]

This was danny's first mistake and it all went downhill from there.

After that season when rozier's value was never higher. he actually should've been dealt at the trade deadline that season but at least in the off season.

This, imo is where we lost kyrie as I believe he had an open mind about playing in Boston... And then he realized it was amateur hr. when it came to how we handled the whole situation we were in.

Danny wasn't sure if he wanted to commit to the young guys or the veterans. And brad clearly had shown he doesn't get that the nba consists of grown men playing basketball and not kids.

Danny's indecision here really cost us, and it ultimately might end up tatum and brown playing elsewhere.

Thanks god we lost Kyrie lol. Danny lost with his evaluations that Kyrie could be his leading player. Clearly didn’t do his due diligence there. He still insists the trade was great at the time lol.
I think what Danny should have done is keep rolling over his draft picks for future drafts and have the stockpile of picks ready to pounce when the Js look ready. In the meantime you have Horford and Hayward to compete with. I also think he blew it with Utah when they wanted a S&T with Hayward. I think he should have just send them IT and Crowder ... keep Olynyk and Bradley and ask for a first rounder from the Jazz. It is easy after the fact but Danny got really greedy there.
I wonder with him having so many picks if he would be able to pull the trigger on Davis.

Yeah celtics fans would rather lose with subpar players than win with supreme talent.

I mean I've already come to the realization that I'm wrong and you guys are right as far as how the organization thinks. But the thing you guys need to realize the team you guys want never wins.

[GreenWarrior]

As far as kyrie and that deal goes just because we messed it up, that deal favored us no matter how it turned out. Kyrie was a massive improvement over IT no matter how you want to slice it.

[NKY fan]

This was danny's first mistake and it all went downhill from there.

After that season when rozier's value was never higher. he actually should've been dealt at the trade deadline that season but at least in the off season.

This, imo is where we lost kyrie as I believe he had an open mind about playing in Boston... And then he realized it was amateur hr. when it came to how we handled the whole situation we were in.

Danny wasn't sure if he wanted to commit to the young guys or the veterans. And brad clearly had shown he doesn't get that the nba consists of grown men playing basketball and not kids.

Danny's indecision here really cost us, and it ultimately might end up tatum and brown playing elsewhere.

Thanks god we lost Kyrie lol. Danny lost with his evaluations that Kyrie could be his leading player. Clearly didn’t do his due diligence there. He still insists the trade was great at the time lol.
I think what Danny should have done is keep rolling over his draft picks for future drafts and have the stockpile of picks ready to pounce when the Js look ready. In the meantime you have Horford and Hayward to compete with. I also think he blew it with Utah when they wanted a S&T with Hayward. I think he should have just send them IT and Crowder ... keep Olynyk and Bradley and ask for a first rounder from the Jazz. It is easy after the fact but Danny got really greedy there.
I wonder with him having so many picks if he would be able to pull the trigger on Davis.

Yeah celtics fans would rather lose with subpar players than win with supreme talent.

I mean I've already come to the realization that I'm wrong and you guys are right as far as how the organization thinks. But the thing you guys need to realize the team you guys want never wins.

No that’s not how most fans think but Kyrie is a special case. It’s just indefensible trying to appease him or give him the keys to the team. It’s just bad management if you do that to your team.

[BitterJim]

Terry after the 2019 season: "I might have to go. I put up with a lot this year. I said what I said after the season. I think we all know that I'm not trying to step into that again."

Kemba on his troubles at the start of the season: "Those two guys are special talents and we need them to be great every night. I’m really the one that has to figure it out."

I loved Terry while he was here and am happy he is succeeding, but we needed that star power acquisition and positive influence after the disaster that was 2018-19.

Yeah, the way that our locker room kind of exploded in the 2019 season made keeping Rozier a non-starter. Does anyone here really think that Rozier would have happily taken a step back and let the offense revolve around Jayson and Jaylen? He though he deserved more touches over guys like Irving and Hayward, there's no chance he would have ever let Jaylen start taking touches from him.

Rozier is playing great, but he still isn't as good as he thinks he is.

[Big333223]

Terry after the 2019 season: "I might have to go. I put up with a lot this year. I said what I said after the season. I think we all know that I'm not trying to step into that again."

Kemba on his troubles at the start of the season: "Those two guys are special talents and we need them to be great every night. I’m really the one that has to figure it out."

I loved Terry while he was here and am happy he is succeeding, but we needed that star power acquisition and positive influence after the disaster that was 2018-19.

Yeah, the way that our locker room kind of exploded in the 2019 season made keeping Rozier a non-starter. Does anyone here really think that Rozier would have happily taken a step back and let the offense revolve around Jayson and Jaylen? He though he deserved more touches over guys like Irving and Hayward, there's no chance he would have ever let Jaylen start taking touches from him.

Rozier is playing great, but he still isn't as good as he thinks he is.

I agree with all of this.

And let's not forget exactly what we're talking about when we talk about letting Rozier go for Kemba in '19. Terry averaged 9-4-3 with en eFG% of just .477. He had some highlights that would get everyone excited but he was an inconsistent bench player. Kemba was coming off three all star games (and, oh, he made the all star game for Boston last year don't forget). There's just no contest that, at the time, it was the right move.

Going forward? Kemba has looked good the last 4 games. If he gets healthy he's at least as good as Terry on the court and what he brings to the locker room greatly outweighs whatever Terry brings in that regard.

[footey]

The vast majority of Celtic fans (including me) were delighted when we essentially traded Terry for Kemba in 2019.  Kemba's max contract at the time seemed like fair market value; at least one other team (the Knicks?) were prepared to offer him the same.  Terry's contract at the time seemed like a huge face saving over pay by the Hornets. Signing Kemba took the sting away from losing Kyrie.  Having to replace Kyrie with a guy who threw his team under the bus just wouldn't have sat right.  (frankly I think Terry did that on purpose so that the Celtics wouldn't match any RFA offer; he wanted to have a bigger role, not unlike Gordon a year later).

The above narrative didn't change last season even after Kemba's knee got balky.  Rosier had a decent season, but his contract was still mocked.

During the first half of this season, as Kemba struggled, and Terry's star has risen, it is understandable that we would second guess what we did that off season.  I know I did.  I began to feel that Danny should have done more due diligence on Kemba's medicals. He apparently had sustained knee problems with Charlotte.  I also began to think that we were too desperate to find a replacement for the loss of Kyrie (and Al Horford), and like a jilted lover, were looking for a rebound romance.  Kemba came calling, and we fell in love all over again. 

My fervent hope is that Kemba will continue to get better and return closer to his normal self.  The team needs his energy, his ability to create easy shots, for himself and for his teammates. He lightens the ball handling duties of Tatum and Brown, who frankly are not ready to assume that role in a primary capacity. 

If we get that Kemba back, and Smart back, I don't think we need to do anything crazy dramatic to turn us into a contender.  Barnes for Romeo or Langford (but not both) plus one or two first round picks would create a roster with depth, flexibility and multiple attackers that would be a treat to watch.

[NKY fan]

The vast majority of Celtic fans (including me) were delighted when we essentially traded Terry for Kemba in 2019.  Kemba's max contract at the time seemed like fair market value; at least one other team (the Knicks?) were prepared to offer him the same.  Terry's contract at the time seemed like a huge face saving over pay by the Hornets. Signing Kemba took the sting away from losing Kyrie.  Having to replace Kyrie with a guy who threw his team under the bus just wouldn't have sat right.  (frankly I think Terry did that on purpose so that the Celtics wouldn't match any RFA offer; he wanted to have a bigger role, not unlike Gordon a year later).

The above narrative didn't change last season even after Kemba's knee got balky.  Rosier had a decent season, but his contract was still mocked.

During the first half of this season, as Kemba struggled, and Terry's star has risen, it is understandable that we would second guess what we did that off season.  I know I did.  I began to feel that Danny should have done more due diligence on Kemba's medicals. He apparently had sustained knee problems with Charlotte.  I also began to think that we were too desperate to find a replacement for the loss of Kyrie (and Al Horford), and like a jilted lover, were looking for a rebound romance.  Kemba came calling, and we fell in love all over again. 

My fervent hope is that Kemba will continue to get better and return closer to his normal self.  The team needs his energy, his ability to create easy shots, for himself and for his teammates. He lightens the ball handling duties of Tatum and Brown, who frankly are not ready to assume that role in a primary capacity. 

If we get that Kemba back, and Smart back, I don't think we need to do anything crazy dramatic to turn us into a contender.  Barnes for Romeo or Langford (but not both) plus one or two first round picks would create a roster with depth, flexibility and multiple attackers that would be a treat to watch.

That was funny. You meant Romeo or Nesmith right? I would be willing to send both and or Timelord but I am hesitant on including draft picks unless we are talking 2nd rounders.

[RJ87]

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

After that 2019 playoff loss that left a very bitter taste in every fan's mouth and Rozier ran to do the ESPN sports talk show circuit, almost no one wanted Rozier anywhere near this team.

Unless, of course, you are one of the posters that have already posted in this thread declaring the Celtics need to definitely keep Rozier over Kemba. You guys were spot on at the time....I am sure.   

This is basically what this board is these days: relitigating Danny's entire duration as this team's GM based on yesterday's basketball games. People are too quick to forget that Kemba was an All-Star starter just last season on a team that made the ECF, meanwhile Terry was whining and talking in the third person on the ESPN circuit about having to sacrifice his talent and ripping the organization.

Signing Kemba - who was a legitimate All-NBA, All-Star caliber player still in his prime was good move. I think the only mistake Danny made with Terry was not trading him for help at the trade deadline.