Did Danny blow it when he let Terry Rozier go?

[SparzWizard]

I think he blew it when he let Al Horford walk

[Roy H.]

Raise your hand if you thought Terry would become a 46% 3PT shooter.  The guy worked hard on his game.

[jambr380]

I didn't want TRoz back.  He wore out his welcome. I had 2 issues though.  First, was Ainge basically knew he was going to move on and didn't trade him at the deadline. Second, Kemba, while be a great player, didn't fit the timeline of Tatum/Brown and was thus not the correct acquisition for the team.

Irving was ready to commit in 2018, but his max was going to be significantly less on an extension than waiting until the end of the season (due to the cap spike and Irving being under the 'old' max). Not having Irving guaranteed, I believe Danny was forced to hang on to Rozier as insurance if Irving bolted - which he did.

What I don't think Danny expected was for Kemba to be available. If he had known that we would definitely have Irving or Kemba guaranteed for 4 years, I have no doubt Danny would have dealt Rozier. Honestly, just subtracting Rozier and Morris from that year's team likely would have provided a much needed morale boost. What's worse, we could have actually acquired something for them both. Oh well, at least we still have a very good-great PG w/ an awesome attitude moving forward.

[wiley]

Yes...but I don't blame Danny entirely, although the Kyrie deal I do lay mostly at his feet. (thought is was a bad chemistry move at the time).  The fan base and media scream constantly at Danny to do big things....part of the blame lies there.  The pressure from fans and media. 

I always loved Rozier and at some point posted that he should get the starter job... His early playoff performance for the C's was enough for me...He fit great with Jaylen (who called him the funniest guy on the team) and Smart and he fit age wise...and he overcame the Danny draft doubters. I also liked his physicality and athletic profile.

The Kyrie thing killed his tenure...

Kemba was a good idea, but luck hasn't been on our side.  However.  The Kemba experiment is not over.  It may come to fruition...The team is better than it looks at this moment.

Go Kemba and go Celtics!

[NKY fan]

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

After that 2019 playoff loss that left a very bitter taste in every fan's mouth and Rozier ran to do the ESPN sports talk show circuit, almost no one wanted Rozier anywhere near this team.

Unless, of course, you are one of the posters that have already posted in this thread declaring the Celtics need to definitely keep Rozier over Kemba. You guys were spot on at the time....I am sure.   

This is basically what this board is these days: relitigating Danny's entire duration as this team's GM based on yesterday's basketball games. People are too quick to forget that Kemba was an All-Star starter just last season on a team that made the ECF, meanwhile Terry was whining and talking in the third person on the ESPN circuit about having to sacrifice his talent and ripping the organization.

Signing Kemba - who was a legitimate All-NBA, All-Star caliber player still in his prime was good move. I think the only mistake Danny made with Terry was not trading him for help at the trade deadline.

Danny has given plenty of food for his doubters since after Tatum pick.
What does he have to show for in the last 2 drafts in which he had a total of 6 1st round picks ?... 2 of those picks were considered to be very good assets because they belonged to rebuilding franchises originally.

[NKY fan]

I didn't want TRoz back.  He wore out his welcome. I had 2 issues though.  First, was Ainge basically knew he was going to move on and didn't trade him at the deadline. Second, Kemba, while be a great player, didn't fit the timeline of Tatum/Brown and was thus not the correct acquisition for the team.

Irving was ready to commit in 2018, but his max was going to be significantly less on an extension than waiting until the end of the season (due to the cap spike and Irving being under the 'old' max). Not having Irving guaranteed, I believe Danny was forced to hang on to Rozier as insurance if Irving bolted - which he did.

What I don't think Danny expected was for Kemba to be available. If he had known that we would definitely have Irving or Kemba guaranteed for 4 years, I have no doubt Danny would have dealt Rozier. Honestly, just subtracting Rozier and Morris from that year's team likely would have provided a much needed morale boost. What's worse, we could have actually acquired something for them both. Oh well, at least we still have a very good-great PG w/ an awesome attitude moving forward.

We also could have avoided the luxury tax if we traded them. I wonder if Danny got some heat from Wyc because if that lol

[NKY fan]

Yes...but I don't blame Danny entirely, although the Kyrie deal I do lay mostly at his feet. (thought is was a bad chemistry move at the time).  The fan base and media scream constantly at Danny to do big things....part of the blame lies there.  The pressure from fans and media. 

I always loved Rozier and at some point posted that he should get the starter job... His early playoff performance for the C's was enough for me...He fit great with Jaylen (who called him the funniest guy on the team) and Smart and he fit age wise...and he overcame the Danny draft doubters. I also liked his physicality and athletic profile.

The Kyrie thing killed his tenure...

Kemba was a good idea, but luck hasn't been on our side.  However.  The Kemba experiment is not over.  It may come to fruition...The team is better than it looks at this moment.

Go Kemba and go Celtics!

Well Wyc promised fireworks long before that. I don’t think the Kyrie trade was considered fireworks.

[GreenWarrior]

Raise your hand if you thought Terry would become a 46% 3PT shooter.  The guy worked hard on his game.

It's really irrelevant.

At the time terry needed to be traded, not because he wasn't good or even bad or that he would eventually become a problem. He needed to be traded because that's how you maximize your assets.

We needed rozier to be a back up PG/SG, nothing more nothing less. So maybe rozier outgrew his role, outgrew our needs. Danny failed to realize rozier became expendable. And as it turned out for what we needed out of rozier it was pretty easily replaceable as wannamaker was serviceable in that role.

[GreenWarrior]

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

After that 2019 playoff loss that left a very bitter taste in every fan's mouth and Rozier ran to do the ESPN sports talk show circuit, almost no one wanted Rozier anywhere near this team.

Unless, of course, you are one of the posters that have already posted in this thread declaring the Celtics need to definitely keep Rozier over Kemba. You guys were spot on at the time....I am sure.   

This is basically what this board is these days: relitigating Danny's entire duration as this team's GM based on yesterday's basketball games. People are too quick to forget that Kemba was an All-Star starter just last season on a team that made the ECF, meanwhile Terry was whining and talking in the third person on the ESPN circuit about having to sacrifice his talent and ripping the organization.

Signing Kemba - who was a legitimate All-NBA, All-Star caliber player still in his prime was good move. I think the only mistake Danny made with Terry was not trading him for help at the trade deadline.

Danny has given plenty of food for his doubters since after Tatum pick.
What does he have to show for in the last 2 drafts in which he had a total of 6 1st round picks ?... 2 of those picks were considered to be very good assets because they belonged to rebuilding franchises originally.

Here's the fault in all of this and danny is the most guilty here.

Outside of the top 3 in avg. draft, top 5 in a good draft it's an absolute crapshoot.

But danny doesn't even realize his drafting is a weakness. If he did he would have stuck to the original plan when he referred to all those draft picks as assets.

[GreenlyGreeny]

We would have been better off re-signing Horford and Rozier, the guys who led us to the 2018 ECF, than bringing in Kemba, the guy who never won a playoff series before coming to Boston...

I don’t remember Red winning championships and calling his players/picks “assets.” Frankly, it’s a players’ league now and they don’t like being called “assets” supposedly owned by some guy who hasn’t played in decades...

Think about it: Is it really any wonder the players keep leaving here? If Danny is still here when Tatum and Brown become UFAs, you can kiss them goodbye too...

[RJ87]

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

After that 2019 playoff loss that left a very bitter taste in every fan's mouth and Rozier ran to do the ESPN sports talk show circuit, almost no one wanted Rozier anywhere near this team.

Unless, of course, you are one of the posters that have already posted in this thread declaring the Celtics need to definitely keep Rozier over Kemba. You guys were spot on at the time....I am sure.   

This is basically what this board is these days: relitigating Danny's entire duration as this team's GM based on yesterday's basketball games. People are too quick to forget that Kemba was an All-Star starter just last season on a team that made the ECF, meanwhile Terry was whining and talking in the third person on the ESPN circuit about having to sacrifice his talent and ripping the organization.

Signing Kemba - who was a legitimate All-NBA, All-Star caliber player still in his prime was good move. I think the only mistake Danny made with Terry was not trading him for help at the trade deadline.

Danny has given plenty of food for his doubters since after Tatum pick.
What does he have to show for in the last 2 drafts in which he had a total of 6 1st round picks ?... 2 of those picks were considered to be very good assets because they belonged to rebuilding franchises originally.

This is exactly my point, thank you for proving it. In a thread where the conversation is centering around whether he should've resigned a specific player, when posters provide adequate reasons for why he moved on, the whattabouters pivot to "but his drafting..."

[NKY fan]

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

After that 2019 playoff loss that left a very bitter taste in every fan's mouth and Rozier ran to do the ESPN sports talk show circuit, almost no one wanted Rozier anywhere near this team.

Unless, of course, you are one of the posters that have already posted in this thread declaring the Celtics need to definitely keep Rozier over Kemba. You guys were spot on at the time....I am sure.   

This is basically what this board is these days: relitigating Danny's entire duration as this team's GM based on yesterday's basketball games. People are too quick to forget that Kemba was an All-Star starter just last season on a team that made the ECF, meanwhile Terry was whining and talking in the third person on the ESPN circuit about having to sacrifice his talent and ripping the organization.

Signing Kemba - who was a legitimate All-NBA, All-Star caliber player still in his prime was good move. I think the only mistake Danny made with Terry was not trading him for help at the trade deadline.

Danny has given plenty of food for his doubters since after Tatum pick.
What does he have to show for in the last 2 drafts in which he had a total of 6 1st round picks ?... 2 of those picks were considered to be very good assets because they belonged to rebuilding franchises originally.

This is exactly my point, thank you for proving it. In a thread where the conversation is centering around whether he should've resigned a specific player, when posters provide adequate reasons for why he moved on, the whattabouters pivot to "but his drafting..."

No I meant not necessarily his drafting but lack of veteran help trades

[gouki88]

No

[pearljammer10]

Raise your hand if you thought Terry would become a 46% 3PT shooter.  The guy worked hard on his game.

Not I.

That being said, I’m still glad we moved on from him.

[PhoSita]

Ainge had years of evidence that Terry was a mediocre and inconsistent backup who would cause chemistry problems if not given a full time starting role, and that when given a full time starting role, Terry played like an average at best starting point guard.


Roy is right -- Terry has done work on his game to improve as much as he has.


That said, Ainge had to have seen the potential for sustained improvement in Terry or else he wouldn't have drafted him. 


The big sliding doors moment for the franchise, other than Hayward's ankle, is after the 2018 post-season run.  What if Ainge had traded Kyrie at that point and gone all-in on the young'ns-plus-Horford?  Hindsight is 20/20, of course.