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Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2021, 03:28:14 PM »

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If Celts plan to obtain Collins, one of Smart or Walker would have to go

Agreed -- whether in this trade or a subsequent one.

to wdleehi's question, Hawks don't have a lot of bad contracts. Can't see them needing to move Capela, for example. I suspect they'd prefer return value to moving another player.

Smart & Theis for Collins & Snell is a pretty clean trade.

The question is, would the Hawks want another guard

They already have Huerter,  Bogdonovich

So I can see why they rather obtain a 1st round pick

Those guys have highly different profiles from Marcus Smart.

Perhaps

But also there are only so many mins to go around

They also have Hunter, Reddish

Just cant see them taking Smart if a 1st is available instead.

OKC and Rockets for example have a ton of them

I just disagree. Smart would face zero minutes crunch on the Hawks. He fills a glaring need for them. Presumably, they're interested in competing now, or they wouldn't have signed Bogdon and Danilo. Smart's not overpaid. Etc etc....

I think most GMs would rather have Smart than a pick, presuming it'd be top 10 or so protected.

They have Kris Dunn on their roster. Its difficult to claim they have a glaring need for Marcus Smart.

Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2021, 03:37:41 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #77 on: February 17, 2021, 03:38:18 PM »

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The Houston Rockets are loaded with multiple first round picks in each of the next 5 years. Could the Celtics offer the TPE and multiple second round picks in exchange for Eric Gordon and one of those 2021 or 2022 first round picks?

Then the Celtics trade one of Langford/Nesmith/Timelord, along with the Celtics 2021 first round pick and the first round pick from the Eric Gordon trade.

Are there rumors that Houston wants to dump Gordon that bad? From what I have heard, they are not looking to send out first rounders

I'm just thinking that Houston has 3 first round picks in each of the next 3 drafts. Those are 3 guaranteed contracts each year for unproven players. And I don't see Gordon fitting into their plans. Why not get rid of a 4 year contract that pays between $17-21M per season.

I'm just trying to think outside the box on how to improve the Celtics.

I’m with you on trading with Houston. I think there is deal to be made that works for us and them. How about :
to HOU :
Carsen + TL + our 2021 FRP
To BOS:
E. Gordon + Cousins + Nets 2022 FRP

We send Timelord to a team who can develop him and need players to develop now. We get the veteran help we need and roll forward our pick one year while houston gets an extra pick sooner. Houston also shed some salary of they need to open space or pay Timelord...
I like it for both teams and their strategies and point of development.


Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2021, 03:49:00 PM »

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Love Smart, but I'd absolutely give up Smart + 1 or 2 future 1sts in a package to acquire Collins.

Now if you could pull it off by giving up 2 of Nesmith/Timelord/Langford and 2-3 future picks, that'd be ideal.

Kemba's not tradeable unless you get really creative, and I think you'd benefit having Collins-Tatum-Brown since they all have high ceilings and Collins fits the overall timeline really well given his age.
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Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #79 on: February 17, 2021, 03:50:55 PM »

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Love Smart, but I'd absolutely give up Smart + 1 or 2 future 1sts in a package to acquire Collins.

Now if you could pull it off by giving up 2 of Nesmith/Timelord/Langford and 2-3 future picks, that'd be ideal.

Kemba's not tradeable unless you get really creative, and I think you'd benefit having Collins-Tatum-Brown since they all have high ceilings and Collins fits the overall timeline really well given his age.

I would rather give up two of Nesmith/Timelord/Langford and 2-3 future picks. And those two would be Nesmith and Langford, in a heartbeat. As much as I get irritated of Smart on offense, his defense is needed. I'd only flip Smart if we get a superstar-caliber player back.


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Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #80 on: February 17, 2021, 04:16:57 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.

Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #81 on: February 17, 2021, 04:26:51 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.
When people thought Chris Paul was cooked after his hamstring injuries at Houston he was still a tradeable asset. Even after having a career-worst year
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Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2021, 04:33:40 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.
When people thought Chris Paul was cooked after his hamstring injuries at Houston he was still a tradeable asset. Even after having a career-worst year
His contract was a negative asset. That’s why rockets traded all those picks to take a chance on a younger and healthier player with a similar size deal and extra year. So at the time nobody would call it a tradeable asset

Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2021, 04:36:55 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.
When people thought Chris Paul was cooked after his hamstring injuries at Houston he was still a tradeable asset. Even after having a career-worst year

Wasn't he traded for Russell Westbrook? Essentially, a bad contract for a bad contract.

Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #84 on: February 17, 2021, 04:42:22 PM »

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Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.

It is interesting what OKC was able to get for Chris Paul.  I don't think Chris Paul is all that much better than Kemba.  I would rather have Chris Paul right now but he gets hurt a lot so there is injury risk with both.  If you look at last season, Kemba is pretty close to Chris Paul.

That deal came down to OKC getting a protected pick from PHO for Chris Paul but they had to take back a series of bad contracts.  Plus this was an off season trade.  The same idea could work for Kemba between now and the trade deadline if he continues improving and playing regularly.  More likely, something like this happens in the off season.  The premise is though that the more bad we take back, the better the potential pick would be.

For example, would Detroit do Blake Griffin and a pick for Kemba?  Maybe a pick swap?  Then we flip the pick (rumored to be what they want) to ATL for Collins?  Then maybe we trade Theis for a back up PG?  I know it isn't pretty but that is what a Kemba trade is going to look like.


Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #85 on: February 17, 2021, 04:42:59 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.
When people thought Chris Paul was cooked after his hamstring injuries at Houston he was still a tradeable asset. Even after having a career-worst year

Wasn't he traded for Russell Westbrook? Essentially, a bad contract for a bad contract.
Westbrook had significantly higher value before he left OKC. He was really durable unlike now, and his last season at OKC was one of his best defensively, hence why Houston gave up picks to get him
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Re: Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...
« Reply #86 on: February 17, 2021, 04:51:10 PM »

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Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.

It is interesting what OKC was able to get for Chris Paul.  I don't think Chris Paul is all that much better than Kemba.  I would rather have Chris Paul right now but he gets hurt a lot so there is injury risk with both.  If you look at last season, Kemba is pretty close to Chris Paul.

That deal came down to OKC getting a protected pick from PHO for Chris Paul but they had to take back a series of bad contracts.  Plus this was an off season trade.  The same idea could work for Kemba between now and the trade deadline if he continues improving and playing regularly.  More likely, something like this happens in the off season.  The premise is though that the more bad we take back, the better the potential pick would be.

For example, would Detroit do Blake Griffin and a pick for Kemba?  Maybe a pick swap? Then we flip the pick (rumored to be what they want) to ATL for Collins?  Then maybe we trade Theis for a back up PG?  I know it isn't pretty but that is what a Kemba trade is going to look like.
They are not that badly managed. Why would a tanking team send a potentially high (or any) draft pick to have longer salary on their books? They will be the ones that would demand a pick or two

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« Reply #87 on: February 17, 2021, 04:52:53 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.
When people thought Chris Paul was cooked after his hamstring injuries at Houston he was still a tradeable asset. Even after having a career-worst year

Wasn't he traded for Russell Westbrook? Essentially, a bad contract for a bad contract.
Westbrook had significantly higher value before he left OKC. He was really durable unlike now, and his last season at OKC was one of his best defensively, hence why Houston gave up picks to get him
Westbrook was routinely mentioned as one of the worst (or at least potentially worst) contracts in the nba that offseason. He had 4 years remaining on a super super max deal and his efficiency was dropping.

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« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2021, 05:00:31 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.

Kemba has carried his teams to the same amount of Finals as CP3. Only difference is Kemba played in awful Charlotte for all but this past season, whereas Paul has had much, much better teammates put around him.
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« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2021, 05:11:06 PM »

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Trading Kemba for a couple of high end role players would be an interesting idea if Collins was acquired.

Less need for Kemba's shot creation. More need for glue guys.

I'd rather have Collins than Kemba long term.

Who is trading for Kemba? Meaning -- which team? It's very difficult to find a sensible one where: a) he's a "fit", and b) you wouldn't have to send out picks with him, or take back a contract just as cumbersome in the process.

I have a strong disagreement with anyone who views Kemba as a bad contract. That is grossly premature to put him in that category. He was a starter in the All-Star Game last year. He has only just returned from a long term injury. People are writing him off far too early.

Need to be patient and let it play out. Then re-evaluate his trade stock. That may happen in time for this year's trade deadline or it may not. It may not be until the summer that we can re-balance this team (with a Kemba trade) post-trade for John Collins.

I'm not writing Kemba off.

He's a small, aging scoring PG with knee problems with a $37.6MM player option in 2022/23. He's NOT going to be an easy guy to find a trade for, no matter how well he plays rest of this year.

Doesn't mean he can't turn things around and be of significant value to the Cs. But if your plan to remove salary should the Cs acquire Collins is to trade Kemba, my challenge would be: to who? If you have no buyers, you're screwd. If you have one buyer, you're getting a lousy deal. If you have two: maybe you can get a couple interesting role guys in trade, as suggested.

Chris Paul turns 36 in May, makes $41 million this year, and has a $44 million player option for next season. He fetched a 1st round pick from Phoenix (top 12 protected in 2022, with protections declining to unprotected in 2025).  OKC took back Rubio's salary ($17-18 million this year and next), some cheap prospects, and Kelly Oubre Jr., whom they promptly moved for a protected 1st and a 2nd.  Kemba is 30 -- he'll have value to the correct team.

Cool when Kemba turns into Chris Paul.... call me, we'll do lunch.
When people thought Chris Paul was cooked after his hamstring injuries at Houston he was still a tradeable asset. Even after having a career-worst year

Wasn't he traded for Russell Westbrook? Essentially, a bad contract for a bad contract.
Westbrook had significantly higher value before he left OKC. He was really durable unlike now, and his last season at OKC was one of his best defensively, hence why Houston gave up picks to get him
Westbrook was routinely mentioned as one of the worst (or at least potentially worst) contracts in the nba that offseason. He had 4 years remaining on a super super max deal and his efficiency was dropping.

Westbrook was also coming off an All-NBA season, and the difference between his value and Chris Paul's was seen as two protected pick swaps in 2024 and 2025, and a protected 1st in 2026 (i.e. the very distant future).  And while Westbrook's contract was considered concerning, it was virtually the same as Paul's.

The point I was making above is that Kemba is 30.  He is unlikely to be washed up, and it is unlikely that most GMs see it that way.  It may be true that he is struggling to find his fit right now, and it also may be true that his best fit is not in Boston.  But his contract is not negative-value.  And if it is negative value, such that Ainge would be required to send away picks if all he received in return were expiring contracts that would sit at the end of the bench, there is zero chance Ainge would trade him this year, because it would be far more useful to see if Kemba can get back to where he was with the J's last season than pay to move on.