Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...

[GreenCoffeeBean]

People are in a rush to get rid of guys like Nesmith and Langford but I'd rather get rid of perennial head scratchers like Semi and Grant Williams.

[RJ87]

People are in a rush to get rid of guys like Nesmith and Langford but I'd rather get rid of perennial head scratchers like Semi and Grant Williams.

Of course, but the reason you want to dump those guys is the reason other teams may not be very interested. You have to give value to get value.

[footey]

People are in a rush to get rid of guys like Nesmith and Langford but I'd rather get rid of perennial head scratchers like Semi and Grant Williams.

Of course, but the reason you want to dump those guys is the reason other teams may not be very interested. You have to give value to get value.

Probably what Chris Wallace said when he traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk.

[johnnygreen]

People are in a rush to get rid of guys like Nesmith and Langford but I'd rather get rid of perennial head scratchers like Semi and Grant Williams.

Of course, but the reason you want to dump those guys is the reason other teams may not be very interested. You have to give value to get value.

Probably what Chris Wallace said when he traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk.

I hated that trade when it happened, as it made no sense. Johnson (rookie) was too good of a talent to give up so quickly, especially for two veteran players that were not going to help the team win a title. That team was good enough to make the playoffs, but were not serious contenders. If only Chris Wallace traded the two guys he never should have drafted in that same draft class instead (Kedrick Brown and Joe Forte). Heck, if I remember correctly, Forte wore a Lakers jersey in the Celtics locker room or at some other point when he was on the team.

[Celtics2021]

Here's a 3-way proposal.  It's probably terrible -- forgive my first message board trade attempt:

Bulls get: Kemba Walker
Hawks get: Bulls 2021 1st, Grant Williams, Garrett Temple
Celtics get: Otto Porter Jr., John Collins, Kris Dunn.  Celtics use Hayward TPE to fit in Porter, Kanter TPE to fit in Dunn, and Grant's salary to match Collins.  This leaves them with a new TPE that equals Kemba's contract.

Bulls get an upgrade at their PG/SG position (Kemba replaces Temple who starts for them in a combo guard role).  They're the 9th seed, so it lets them make a playoff push with a star vet under contract in the future.  The Hawks get potentially a good pick for Collins, a PF in Grant who probably fits better next to someone like Capela, and a veteran combo guard to help take some of the burden off of Trey Young (especially with Rondo out).  Celtics get Collins as well as terrific perimeter defender in Kris Dunn (when he returns from injury), and an even bigger TPE to use for the offseason/next year.  Porter Jr. might prove as useful as Grant/Semi, but probably not much more than that.  He's essentially an expiring that lets Chicago get involved in the deal.

Additionally, this would give the Celtics some luxury tax flexibility next offseason.  This could be useful in getting Collins to resign for less than the max (my biggest concern is I don't think Collins at the max is a great idea) -- as he's a restricted free agent, other teams would be less likely to extend an offer sheet as they know the Celtics are capable of matching and would not be subject to the tax if they did.

[Tr1boy]

If Celts plan to obtain Collins, one of Smart or Walker would have to go

[todd_days_41]

If Celts plan to obtain Collins, one of Smart or Walker would have to go

Agreed -- whether in this trade or a subsequent one.

to wdleehi's question, Hawks don't have a lot of bad contracts. Can't see them needing to move Capela, for example. I suspect they'd prefer return value to moving another player.

Smart & Theis for Collins & Snell is a pretty clean trade.

[Tr1boy]

If Celts plan to obtain Collins, one of Smart or Walker would have to go

Agreed -- whether in this trade or a subsequent one.

to wdleehi's question, Hawks don't have a lot of bad contracts. Can't see them needing to move Capela, for example. I suspect they'd prefer return value to moving another player.

Smart & Theis for Collins & Snell is a pretty clean trade.

The question is, would the Hawks want another guard

They already have Huerter,  Bogdonovich

So I can see why they rather obtain a 1st round pick

[todd_days_41]

If Celts plan to obtain Collins, one of Smart or Walker would have to go

Agreed -- whether in this trade or a subsequent one.

to wdleehi's question, Hawks don't have a lot of bad contracts. Can't see them needing to move Capela, for example. I suspect they'd prefer return value to moving another player.

Smart & Theis for Collins & Snell is a pretty clean trade.

The question is, would the Hawks want another guard

They already have Huerter,  Bogdonovich

So I can see why they rather obtain a 1st round pick

Those guys have highly different profiles from Marcus Smart.

[gift]

People are in a rush to get rid of guys like Nesmith and Langford but I'd rather get rid of perennial head scratchers like Semi and Grant Williams.

Of course, but the reason you want to dump those guys is the reason other teams may not be very interested. You have to give value to get value.

Probably what Chris Wallace said when he traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk.

At least he held onto Kedrick Brown.

[seancally]

If this draft is as good as advertised I can’t see a lot of teams giving up their possible lottery picks for Collins, set to become a RFA who will command good money. Wonder what’s really out there for him. Wouldn’t be crazy for a team like the Knicks to try and go for it since they seem hell bent on being a mediocre playoff team for some reason.

[PhoSita]

I really don't think the Celts have much to offer in a trade for a player of Collins's caliber, but then again, we've seen lots of guys get traded for what I thought was a completely inadequate haul (see: James Harden).

[ball4life67]

Here's a 3-way proposal.  It's probably terrible -- forgive my first message board trade attempt:

Bulls get: Kemba Walker
Hawks get: Bulls 2021 1st, Grant Williams, Garrett Temple
Celtics get: Otto Porter Jr., John Collins, Kris Dunn.  Celtics use Hayward TPE to fit in Porter, Kanter TPE to fit in Dunn, and Grant's salary to match Collins.  This leaves them with a new TPE that equals Kemba's contract.

Bulls get an upgrade at their PG/SG position (Kemba replaces Temple who starts for them in a combo guard role).  They're the 9th seed, so it lets them make a playoff push with a star vet under contract in the future.  The Hawks get potentially a good pick for Collins, a PF in Grant who probably fits better next to someone like Capela, and a veteran combo guard to help take some of the burden off of Trey Young (especially with Rondo out).  Celtics get Collins as well as terrific perimeter defender in Kris Dunn (when he returns from injury), and an even bigger TPE to use for the offseason/next year.  Porter Jr. might prove as useful as Grant/Semi, but probably not much more than that.  He's essentially an expiring that lets Chicago get involved in the deal.

Additionally, this would give the Celtics some luxury tax flexibility next offseason.  This could be useful in getting Collins to resign for less than the max (my biggest concern is I don't think Collins at the max is a great idea) -- as he's a restricted free agent, other teams would be less likely to extend an offer sheet as they know the Celtics are capable of matching and would not be subject to the tax if they did.

I forgive you lol but yeah no way Kemba gets that package.
At this point, I think he’s a negative asset with the age/inj/contract concerns.

Welcome to the board though!

[boscel33]

If Celts plan to obtain Collins, one of Smart or Walker would have to go

If it's Walker, do we believe Smart can handle the PG duties.  I know we have PP too, but he is a rook and will probably hit the wall at some point.

[Tr1boy]

If Celts plan to obtain Collins, one of Smart or Walker would have to go

Agreed -- whether in this trade or a subsequent one.

to wdleehi's question, Hawks don't have a lot of bad contracts. Can't see them needing to move Capela, for example. I suspect they'd prefer return value to moving another player.

Smart & Theis for Collins & Snell is a pretty clean trade.

The question is, would the Hawks want another guard

They already have Huerter,  Bogdonovich

So I can see why they rather obtain a 1st round pick

Those guys have highly different profiles from Marcus Smart.

Perhaps

But also there are only so many mins to go around

They also have Hunter, Reddish

Just cant see them taking Smart if a 1st is available instead.

OKC and Rockets for example have a ton of them