What would you be willing to give up for Harrison Barnes?

[footey]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

Comparison to TT makes no sense.

[nickagneta]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

Comparison to TT makes no sense.

I also don't get that Barnes isn't "even an above average NBA starter".

Guy scores 16 PPG, grabs over 6 RPG and dishes out 3.4 APG while scoring more efficiently than Jaylen Brown and playing average to above average defense.

I think he would fit almost seemlessly into the role Hayward played last year as a fourth option with the starters and 2nd option on some 5 man units with the bench.

[Moranis]

Yeah Harrison Barnes is much better than Tristan Thompson.  Not even close. 

[gouki88]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

Comparison to TT makes no sense.

I also don't get that Barnes isn't "even an above average NBA starter".

Guy scores 16 PPG, grabs over 6 RPG and dishes out 3.4 APG while scoring more efficiently than Jaylen Brown and playing average to above average defense.

I think he would fit almost seemlessly into the role Hayward played last year as a fourth option with the starters and 2nd option on some 5 man units with the bench.

I guess most NBA starters would be below average then. Which doesn't make sense...

[NKY fan]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

Comparison to TT makes no sense.

I also don't get that Barnes isn't "even an above average NBA starter".

Guy scores 16 PPG, grabs over 6 RPG and dishes out 3.4 APG while scoring more efficiently than Jaylen Brown and playing average to above average defense.

I think he would fit almost seemlessly into the role Hayward played last year as a fourth option with the starters and 2nd option on some 5 man units with the bench.

I guess most NBA starters would be below average then. Which doesn't make sense...

It does. Average is different than median. Average is actually good because there are those super productive superstars that are way above average and that skews the results. In the nba if you’re below average you get replaced ( quickly) while if you’re average it’s difficult to get replaced by a more productive player.

[gouki88]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

Comparison to TT makes no sense.

I also don't get that Barnes isn't "even an above average NBA starter".

Guy scores 16 PPG, grabs over 6 RPG and dishes out 3.4 APG while scoring more efficiently than Jaylen Brown and playing average to above average defense.

I think he would fit almost seemlessly into the role Hayward played last year as a fourth option with the starters and 2nd option on some 5 man units with the bench.

I guess most NBA starters would be below average then. Which doesn't make sense...

It does. Average is different than median. Average is actually good because there are those super productive superstars that are way above average and that skews the results. In the nba if you’re below average you get replaced ( quickly) while if you’re average it’s difficult to get replaced by a more productive player.

I don't think statistical average was what was being referred to, but rather the colloquialism - that being, right in the middle.

[footey]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

Comparison to TT makes no sense.

I also don't get that Barnes isn't "even an above average NBA starter".

Guy scores 16 PPG, grabs over 6 RPG and dishes out 3.4 APG while scoring more efficiently than Jaylen Brown and playing average to above average defense.

I think he would fit almost seemlessly into the role Hayward played last year as a fourth option with the starters and 2nd option on some 5 man units with the bench.

I guess most NBA starters would be below average then. Which doesn't make sense...

It does. Average is different than median. Average is actually good because there are those super productive superstars that are way above average and that skews the results. In the nba if you’re below average you get replaced ( quickly) while if you’re average it’s difficult to get replaced by a more productive player.

I don't think statistical average was what was being referred to, but rather the colloquialism - that being, right in the middle.

Average Al, not Median Al.

[RodyTur10]

Yeah Harrison Barnes is much better than Tristan Thompson.  Not even close.

Absolutely. That would be worthy of a first rounder as an upgrade.

Walker/Brown/Barnes/Tatum/R.Williams + Pritchard/Smart/Langford/Nesmith/Ojeleye/Theis

is a rotation where the Celtics will have a big advantage again on the wing over any team. During the playoffs you can shorten that to 9 guys, where you only play 2 of Pritchard/Langford/Nesmith/Ojeleye based on performances, roles, needs and situations.

[RodyTur10]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

Comparison to TT makes no sense.

I also don't get that Barnes isn't "even an above average NBA starter".

Guy scores 16 PPG, grabs over 6 RPG and dishes out 3.4 APG while scoring more efficiently than Jaylen Brown and playing average to above average defense.

I think he would fit almost seemlessly into the role Hayward played last year as a fourth option with the starters and 2nd option on some 5 man units with the bench.

I guess most NBA starters would be below average then. Which doesn't make sense...

It does. Average is different than median. Average is actually good because there are those super productive superstars that are way above average and that skews the results. In the nba if you’re below average you get replaced ( quickly) while if you’re average it’s difficult to get replaced by a more productive player.

I don't think statistical average was what was being referred to, but rather the colloquialism - that being, right in the middle.

Average Al, not Median Al.

If we use NKY fan logic (interesting take, but I agree with Gouki that it wasn't the argument) then Average Al is much better than Median Al.

[knuckleballer]

The Kings just lost their sixth straight game.  Barnes is getting closer to being available.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Did people forget he’s a massive liability on defense and streaky as hell on offense?

[Roy H.]

He’s definitely in a slump right now.  Last 5 games:  12-for-39 overall, 2-for-17 3PT, 7.4 points per game.

[knuckleballer]

He’s definitely in a slump right now.  Last 5 games:  12-for-39 overall, 2-for-17 3PT, 7.4 points per game.

He played his last two games with a strained foot which likely contributed to that as he was 0-7 from those two games and averaged just 6 ppg.  He’s missed the last two games, but shouldn’t be out long.

I don’t love the guy, but he fills important needs for this team and he’s signed for two more years with a reasonable and descending contract.  I don’t think we can do much better.

[GreenEnvy]

I chose TPE and a pick only because there was no choice for none.

Barnes really isn’t a game-changer. I’d rather use the Hayward TPE on a star this summer.

[gouki88]

He’s definitely in a slump right now.  Last 5 games:  12-for-39 overall, 2-for-17 3PT, 7.4 points per game.

Trying to force his way to Boston