Over reaction panic poll: What should Danny do?

[PAOBoston]

https://twitter.com/adamtaylornba/status/1361319555050700800?s=21

This is probably the biggest problem here.

[GreenWarrior]

It is a problem. But the other part of the equation is brad stevens is not the guy to take this team to the next level.

Danny gets the blame for the roster esp. this season as it's the worst it's been.

But clearly brad is not the guy, danny even acknowledged this this off season by bringing in Evan turner. He can't coach that nba ego.

We saw hints of this in his 1st season with rondo and wallace. But we were in rebuild mode so it got swept under the rug. Then kyrie hinted at it but no one took him seriously because he's a weirdo and his credibility is suspect.

But now tatum and brown have grown into those guys and they look lost because we have a coach that doesn't know what to do. Doc rivers would have sat those guys after the 1st Qrtr. Yesterday. Brad is too concerned with the smaller picture than the one that matters. He needs to go or we'll just stagnate for the next couple yrs and then the bottom will fall out.

[td450]

The team doesn't work without ball movement and player movement. Tatum and Brown aren't quite there as LeBron style, take care of everything players yet, and will contribute to that only occasionally. Brown had 10 assists, then followed that up with two no assist games, although from what I saw, he was passing. No one made any shots.

There was a dismal lack of effort from the bench. I'm a little shocked that Pritchard hasn't shown more fight in him. I think the team should give up on Semi in favor of GWill.

The lack of a natural passer is pretty obvious. Marcus is often a terrible offensive player, but at least he brings something on that end.

I see no way out but moving Kemba. He is just not a fit for this team. Look at the Washington game. He had his offense going, but only 2 assists. Only Brown had a normal game. Otherwise it was a horror show. He can come back to what he was before, but that won't work for this team. They need someone with passing skills on the floor.

[NKY fan]

It is a problem. But the other part of the equation is brad stevens is not the guy to take this team to the next level.

Danny gets the blame for the roster esp. this season as it's the worst it's been.

But clearly brad is not the guy, danny even acknowledged this this off season by bringing in Evan turner. He can't coach that nba ego.

We saw hints of this in his 1st season with rondo and wallace. But we were in rebuild mode so it got swept under the rug. Then kyrie hinted at it but no one took him seriously because he's a weirdo and his credibility is suspect.

But now tatum and brown have grown into those guys and they look lost because we have a coach that doesn't know what to do. Doc rivers would have sat those guys after the 1st Qrtr. Yesterday. Brad is too concerned with the smaller picture than the one that matters. He needs to go or we'll just stagnate for the next couple yrs and then the bottom will fall out.

I don’t quite agree about Brad and coaching egos. While he is no expert at managing egos and refuses to coach certain players he’s done a good job with coach able guys. If you need someone to manage egos you better have GSW type talent or lebron plus Kyrie or Durant on your team.
If you need someone to manage egos for stars that are top 20 but definitely not top 5 then you need to look at the stars and whether you want to build around them. If they develop egos they better prove that they are top 5 players potential or otherwise not worth it.

[ChillyWilly]

It is a problem. But the other part of the equation is brad stevens is not the guy to take this team to the next level.

Danny gets the blame for the roster esp. this season as it's the worst it's been.

But clearly brad is not the guy, danny even acknowledged this this off season by bringing in Evan turner. He can't coach that nba ego.

We saw hints of this in his 1st season with rondo and wallace. But we were in rebuild mode so it got swept under the rug. Then kyrie hinted at it but no one took him seriously because he's a weirdo and his credibility is suspect.

But now tatum and brown have grown into those guys and they look lost because we have a coach that doesn't know what to do. Doc rivers would have sat those guys after the 1st Qrtr. Yesterday. Brad is too concerned with the smaller picture than the one that matters. He needs to go or we'll just stagnate for the next couple yrs and then the bottom will fall out.

I don’t quite agree about Brad and coaching egos. While he is no expert at managing egos and refuses to coach certain players he’s done a good job with coach able guys. If you need someone to manage egos you better have GSW type talent or lebron plus Kyrie or Durant on your team.
If you need someone to manage egos for stars that are top 20 but definitely not top 5 then you need to look at the stars and whether you want to build around them. If they develop egos they better prove that they are top 5 players potential or otherwise not worth it.

I'm with you on this.

[Kuberski33]

It is a problem. But the other part of the equation is brad stevens is not the guy to take this team to the next level.

Danny gets the blame for the roster esp. this season as it's the worst it's been.

But clearly brad is not the guy, danny even acknowledged this this off season by bringing in Evan turner. He can't coach that nba ego.

We saw hints of this in his 1st season with rondo and wallace. But we were in rebuild mode so it got swept under the rug. Then kyrie hinted at it but no one took him seriously because he's a weirdo and his credibility is suspect.

But now tatum and brown have grown into those guys and they look lost because we have a coach that doesn't know what to do. Doc rivers would have sat those guys after the 1st Qrtr. Yesterday. Brad is too concerned with the smaller picture than the one that matters. He needs to go or we'll just stagnate for the next couple yrs and then the bottom will fall out.

I don’t quite agree about Brad and coaching egos. While he is no expert at managing egos and refuses to coach certain players he’s done a good job with coach able guys. If you need someone to manage egos you better have GSW type talent or lebron plus Kyrie or Durant on your team.
If you need someone to manage egos for stars that are top 20 but definitely not top 5 then you need to look at the stars and whether you want to build around them. If they develop egos they better prove that they are top 5 players potential or otherwise not worth it.

No coach can win in NBA basketball if the talent isn't there. And after their starting lineup, it's not. It's pretty much a 7 and half man roster (R. Williams being the half). And Smart's out so it's 6 and a half.  And Pritchard has been poor offensively in the last 2 games.  So where's the bench offense going to come from?

In these days of Covid and with the way NBA teams defend, you need 10 reliable players..

[NKY fan]

It is a problem. But the other part of the equation is brad stevens is not the guy to take this team to the next level.

Danny gets the blame for the roster esp. this season as it's the worst it's been.

But clearly brad is not the guy, danny even acknowledged this this off season by bringing in Evan turner. He can't coach that nba ego.

We saw hints of this in his 1st season with rondo and wallace. But we were in rebuild mode so it got swept under the rug. Then kyrie hinted at it but no one took him seriously because he's a weirdo and his credibility is suspect.

But now tatum and brown have grown into those guys and they look lost because we have a coach that doesn't know what to do. Doc rivers would have sat those guys after the 1st Qrtr. Yesterday. Brad is too concerned with the smaller picture than the one that matters. He needs to go or we'll just stagnate for the next couple yrs and then the bottom will fall out.

I don’t quite agree about Brad and coaching egos. While he is no expert at managing egos and refuses to coach certain players he’s done a good job with coach able guys. If you need someone to manage egos you better have GSW type talent or lebron plus Kyrie or Durant on your team.
If you need someone to manage egos for stars that are top 20 but definitely not top 5 then you need to look at the stars and whether you want to build around them. If they develop egos they better prove that they are top 5 players potential or otherwise not worth it.

No coach can win in NBA basketball if the talent isn't there. And after their starting lineup, it's not. It's pretty much a 7 and half man roster (R. Williams being the half). And Smart's out so it's 6 and a half.  And Pritchard has been poor offensively in the last 2 games.  So where's the bench offense going to come from?

In these days of Covid and with the way NBA teams defend, you need 10 reliable players..

So what are you trying to say about ego(s) management?

[Kuberski33]

It is a problem. But the other part of the equation is brad stevens is not the guy to take this team to the next level.

Danny gets the blame for the roster esp. this season as it's the worst it's been.

But clearly brad is not the guy, danny even acknowledged this this off season by bringing in Evan turner. He can't coach that nba ego.

We saw hints of this in his 1st season with rondo and wallace. But we were in rebuild mode so it got swept under the rug. Then kyrie hinted at it but no one took him seriously because he's a weirdo and his credibility is suspect.

But now tatum and brown have grown into those guys and they look lost because we have a coach that doesn't know what to do. Doc rivers would have sat those guys after the 1st Qrtr. Yesterday. Brad is too concerned with the smaller picture than the one that matters. He needs to go or we'll just stagnate for the next couple yrs and then the bottom will fall out.

I don’t quite agree about Brad and coaching egos. While he is no expert at managing egos and refuses to coach certain players he’s done a good job with coach able guys. If you need someone to manage egos you better have GSW type talent or lebron plus Kyrie or Durant on your team.
If you need someone to manage egos for stars that are top 20 but definitely not top 5 then you need to look at the stars and whether you want to build around them. If they develop egos they better prove that they are top 5 players potential or otherwise not worth it.

No coach can win in NBA basketball if the talent isn't there. And after their starting lineup, it's not. It's pretty much a 7 and half man roster (R. Williams being the half). And Smart's out so it's 6 and a half.  And Pritchard has been poor offensively in the last 2 games.  So where's the bench offense going to come from?

In these days of Covid and with the way NBA teams defend, you need 10 reliable players..

So what are you trying to say about ego(s) management?

The team isn't under-performing because because Brad has trouble managing egos. His 2 best players want to be here so I'd say he's OK in that dept.

[Phantom255x]

I'm confused with some of the responses for trading Brown + assets for Beal. How on earth does that make us much better?? To date this season, Brown has been our best player and most consistent one. He's also our 2nd best defender on the team behind Smart.

I think the best course of action is to get Smart + Langford back healthy, hoping Kemba gets up to speed and can function as a #3 option, and then trading this year's 1st + another smaller asset to acquire someone, whether it's Harrison Barnes or someone similar. Or frankly I wouldn't even mind flipping 1 of Theis/Thompson in a package to acquire another big man using the TPE (like Vucevic for example).

Truth be told, my biggest worry is our frontcourt (PF and C). In theory, our guard and wing positions when healthy can still do well and I think Kemba can improve. He won't be All-Star Kemba, but he can be a solid 3rd or 4th option. But this frontcourt just isn't going to cut it really. I wouldn't mind a Harrison Barnes-like addition ("playmaking wing and 3rd/4th option"), but if the team could find a legit PF/C I think that's best case scenario. That guy + Timelord + 1 of Theis/Thompson would be nice.

I agree 100%. Need to use this time from now until the trade deadline to see if they can get healthy and form some sort of rhythm and identity. Then see what Ainge can do with combo of picks, young players, TPE (Barnes, Collins, etc). This team is in a rut right now but they are basically in the pack in the East. They are like 4 games out of first place. It’s bad right now but it’s not something that can’t be turned around/fixed.

Yeah. Two other names I can think of are John Collins and Aaron Gordon as trade targets.

I personally LOVE the idea of John Collins and having him help out Tatum + Brown long term, since he also would fit the timeline really well. 

This is a trade idea WEEI put out there as a possibility:

Celtics get: John Collins, Solomon Hill
Hawks get: Robert Williams, Grant Willams, Aaron Nesmith, 2022 first-rounder, 2024 first-rounder (lottery protected)

I wouldn't mind giving up this year's 1st too if it meant this were possible.

Hill would be an expiring in this case, but for this season he could still be alright depth to have. Can't be worse than the 12-15 spots in our bench I imagine.

I’d make that deal so fast my head would spin.

Can we switch out Robert Williams and replace that with Daniel Theis instead

We could salary-wise, but I dunno if that's more or less appealing

It's got to be less appealing. Timelord is younger and has a much higher ceiling than Theis.

In a way, I'm also fine with sending out Timelord because truth is, I'm not as convinced he'll always be available. Has he ever played like 15+ games in a row? For John Collins in a trade package, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[Jvalin]

Please add one more option to the poll: rebuild the team on the fly around the Jays. I'd go after players that share the same time window with the Jays.

My #1 trade target would be Mo Bamba. It's possible that he'll be available on the cheap at the trade deadline.

Don't think we can get fair value for Kemba at the deadline. I'd be open to the idea of dumping him during the offseason. My asking price would be pick(s) + cap relief. Plenty of teams will have max cap space this offseason. Most of them will have to settle for a less-than-ideal target. I mean, Giannis, Gobert and George extended or re-signed with their current teams. Assuming we can dump Kemba (which is far from certain), we'd end up with a new $36,116,200 TPE (=Kemba's salary + $100,000).

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Where’s the option for Horford and a time machine?

[GreenWarrior]

It is a problem. But the other part of the equation is brad stevens is not the guy to take this team to the next level.

Danny gets the blame for the roster esp. this season as it's the worst it's been.

But clearly brad is not the guy, danny even acknowledged this this off season by bringing in Evan turner. He can't coach that nba ego.

We saw hints of this in his 1st season with rondo and wallace. But we were in rebuild mode so it got swept under the rug. Then kyrie hinted at it but no one took him seriously because he's a weirdo and his credibility is suspect.

But now tatum and brown have grown into those guys and they look lost because we have a coach that doesn't know what to do. Doc rivers would have sat those guys after the 1st Qrtr. Yesterday. Brad is too concerned with the smaller picture than the one that matters. He needs to go or we'll just stagnate for the next couple yrs and then the bottom will fall out.

I don’t quite agree about Brad and coaching egos. While he is no expert at managing egos and refuses to coach certain players he’s done a good job with coach able guys. If you need someone to manage egos you better have GSW type talent or lebron plus Kyrie or Durant on your team.
If you need someone to manage egos for stars that are top 20 but definitely not top 5 then you need to look at the stars and whether you want to build around them. If they develop egos they better prove that they are top 5 players potential or otherwise not worth it.

If you're a talented player in this league there is an ego that goes along with the talent.

And I know celtics fans will never agree with this or even acknowledge that this is a real thing but it is - the thing  that separates the great coaches from the average coaches has nothing to do with X's and O's it's managing the ego's of multiple alpha personalities.

Perfect example - under del harris the lakers with kobe and shaq couldn't win a playoff game and we're ready to blow the team up. Under Phil jackson they were champions... With the same roster.

Like I said ainge acknowledged this is an issue with stevens by bringing Evan turner in here. I've never believed in the theory to stop the bleeding you throw another band aid on top of another one. So ainge really is impressing me less by the day. But at least he knows it's an issue.

[slamtheking]

need a better poll with better options. 

TPE is best asset for improving the team and unlikely to be used until the offseason.

team is showing it's more than just a single move away from contending.  no midseason deal is going to get us over the hump into contention but I think it's possible that Danny makes a minor move or two to clear some of the deadwood like Teague and Edwards in particular.   If Danny does make moves, it's to get the team in a better position for the offseason and next season

[GreenWarrior]

The fact that pritchard looks like he's at least a solid bench player is irrelevant.

I can't believe ainge went into this past off season with the thought that these guys we draft this season might have to be major contributers on a contending team. It's like gross misconduct or something. It's that serious people... It's just egregious.

[gouki88]

The fact that pritchard looks like he's at least a solid bench player is irrelevant.

I can't believe ainge went into this past off season with the thought that these guys we draft this season might have to be major contributers on a contending team. It's like gross misconduct or something. It's that serious people... It's just egregious.

How are you privy to Ainge's thought process? He probably thought Teague would be a solid bench vet and that TT wouldn't get a hamstring issue first thing. He probably didn't foresee our best player and a young role player getting COVID, Kemba taking a loooong time to return to normal or Smart tearing his calf.