Over reaction panic poll: What should Danny do?

[gouki88]

TL is probably the best asset the Celts have.

IF Kings would take TL and Langford or Nesmith plus a 1st for Holmes and Barnes.

Danny should take it

I also think the team should trade Theis and Thompson

Both are mediocre at best.  Defensively Celts are one of the worst rim protecting team

I would trade Theis and TT for picks. Then try to trade for Gafford and Moe Wagner (the guy we saw today)

So our C rotation would look like

Richuan Holmes, Daniel Gafford, Moe Wagner

These guys play hungry baskteball and their lives depends on it

That is a truly woeful big man rotation, and significantly worse than the one we have now

Really?? It is horrid now. I dont get the Theis phenomenon

Mo Wagner is a bench big on the worst team in the league, and he plays no defence. He can't even start on that team with Thomas Bryant out for the season.

Daniel Gafford is a bench big on a lotto team, has no offensive skills and doesn't rebound. He is good defensively, but he absolutely cannot be relied upon and is basically just Timelord if Timelord was worse at every single thing.

Holmes is fine, but he's 27 and an expiring deal, so we would probably lose him in free agency too.

[PAOBoston]

Outside of roster construction, biggest issue has been health/continuity due to covid etc. Re-migrating Kemba from injury/rehab, TT hamstring, Romeo thumb, Smart ankle. Timelord/JT covid absence. Recent JB knee issues. Overall, it’s been a mess that Js led to zero continuity and 5 billion different possible lineup combinations by CBS.

The roster construction doesn’t help as it is an issue too. Too many young and inexperienced guys. The guys we expected leaps from (Williams x2, Semi, Edwards etc) haven’t really done so or done so remotely consistently.

Think this teams just needs a full roster to really see what sort of roster they have when healthy. They need help at the wing/swing position and I think that is where Ainge targets to make trade.

[Tr1boy]

Watching Wolves play now. Its crazy how much better they pass the ball around than the Celtics

Celts might be the worst team passing team in the league. 

[flybono]

You need to list 'Resign' as a choice.

Oh no, it’s never Danny’s fault. He’s so great which is why we’ve not won a title in over a dozen years. Rondo has twice as many titles as Danny this century.

Even “Trader Danny” is a misnomer considering nobody except MJ has been willing to trade with him since he screwed IT almost four years ago. That’s a big reason for why all these guys he drafted who make up our bench are here and mostly useless. Nobody is willing to trade with him anymore and look at the outcome.

How dare you call out Ainge
The pink hats will now ban you for a month

[Phantom255x]

I'm confused with some of the responses for trading Brown + assets for Beal. How on earth does that make us much better?? To date this season, Brown has been our best player and most consistent one. He's also our 2nd best defender on the team behind Smart.

I think the best course of action is to get Smart + Langford back healthy, hoping Kemba gets up to speed and can function as a #3 option, and then trading this year's 1st + another smaller asset to acquire someone, whether it's Harrison Barnes or someone similar. Or frankly I wouldn't even mind flipping 1 of Theis/Thompson in a package to acquire another big man using the TPE (like Vucevic for example).

Truth be told, my biggest worry is our frontcourt (PF and C). In theory, our guard and wing positions when healthy can still do well and I think Kemba can improve. He won't be All-Star Kemba, but he can be a solid 3rd or 4th option. But this frontcourt just isn't going to cut it really. I wouldn't mind a Harrison Barnes-like addition ("playmaking wing and 3rd/4th option"), but if the team could find a legit PF/C I think that's best case scenario. That guy + Timelord + 1 of Theis/Thompson in rotations would be nice.

[PAOBoston]

I'm confused with some of the responses for trading Brown + assets for Beal. How on earth does that make us much better?? To date this season, Brown has been our best player and most consistent one. He's also our 2nd best defender on the team behind Smart.

I think the best course of action is to get Smart + Langford back healthy, hoping Kemba gets up to speed and can function as a #3 option, and then trading this year's 1st + another smaller asset to acquire someone, whether it's Harrison Barnes or someone similar. Or frankly I wouldn't even mind flipping 1 of Theis/Thompson in a package to acquire another big man using the TPE (like Vucevic for example).

Truth be told, my biggest worry is our frontcourt (PF and C). In theory, our guard and wing positions when healthy can still do well and I think Kemba can improve. He won't be All-Star Kemba, but he can be a solid 3rd or 4th option. But this frontcourt just isn't going to cut it really. I wouldn't mind a Harrison Barnes-like addition ("playmaking wing and 3rd/4th option"), but if the team could find a legit PF/C I think that's best case scenario. That guy + Timelord + 1 of Theis/Thompson would be nice.

I agree 100%. Need to use this time from now until the trade deadline to see if they can get healthy and form some sort of rhythm and identity. Then see what Ainge can do with combo of picks, young players, TPE (Barnes, Collins, etc). This team is in a rut right now but they are basically in the pack in the East. They are like 4 games out of first place. It’s bad right now but it’s not something that can’t be turned around/fixed.

[Moranis]

Nothing unless the right player or right offer comes along.

[Phantom255x]

I'm confused with some of the responses for trading Brown + assets for Beal. How on earth does that make us much better?? To date this season, Brown has been our best player and most consistent one. He's also our 2nd best defender on the team behind Smart.

I think the best course of action is to get Smart + Langford back healthy, hoping Kemba gets up to speed and can function as a #3 option, and then trading this year's 1st + another smaller asset to acquire someone, whether it's Harrison Barnes or someone similar. Or frankly I wouldn't even mind flipping 1 of Theis/Thompson in a package to acquire another big man using the TPE (like Vucevic for example).

Truth be told, my biggest worry is our frontcourt (PF and C). In theory, our guard and wing positions when healthy can still do well and I think Kemba can improve. He won't be All-Star Kemba, but he can be a solid 3rd or 4th option. But this frontcourt just isn't going to cut it really. I wouldn't mind a Harrison Barnes-like addition ("playmaking wing and 3rd/4th option"), but if the team could find a legit PF/C I think that's best case scenario. That guy + Timelord + 1 of Theis/Thompson would be nice.

I agree 100%. Need to use this time from now until the trade deadline to see if they can get healthy and form some sort of rhythm and identity. Then see what Ainge can do with combo of picks, young players, TPE (Barnes, Collins, etc). This team is in a rut right now but they are basically in the pack in the East. They are like 4 games out of first place. It’s bad right now but it’s not something that can’t be turned around/fixed.

Yeah. Two other names I can think of are John Collins and Aaron Gordon as trade targets.

I personally LOVE the idea of John Collins and having him help out Tatum + Brown long term, since he also would fit the timeline really well. 

This is a trade idea WEEI put out there as a possibility:

Celtics get: John Collins, Solomon Hill
Hawks get: Robert Williams, Grant Willams, Aaron Nesmith, 2022 first-rounder, 2024 first-rounder (lottery protected)

I wouldn't mind giving up this year's 1st too if it meant this were possible.

Hill would be an expiring in this case, but for this season he could still be alright depth to have. Can't be worse than the 12-15 spots in our bench I imagine.

[PAOBoston]

I'm confused with some of the responses for trading Brown + assets for Beal. How on earth does that make us much better?? To date this season, Brown has been our best player and most consistent one. He's also our 2nd best defender on the team behind Smart.

I think the best course of action is to get Smart + Langford back healthy, hoping Kemba gets up to speed and can function as a #3 option, and then trading this year's 1st + another smaller asset to acquire someone, whether it's Harrison Barnes or someone similar. Or frankly I wouldn't even mind flipping 1 of Theis/Thompson in a package to acquire another big man using the TPE (like Vucevic for example).

Truth be told, my biggest worry is our frontcourt (PF and C). In theory, our guard and wing positions when healthy can still do well and I think Kemba can improve. He won't be All-Star Kemba, but he can be a solid 3rd or 4th option. But this frontcourt just isn't going to cut it really. I wouldn't mind a Harrison Barnes-like addition ("playmaking wing and 3rd/4th option"), but if the team could find a legit PF/C I think that's best case scenario. That guy + Timelord + 1 of Theis/Thompson would be nice.

I agree 100%. Need to use this time from now until the trade deadline to see if they can get healthy and form some sort of rhythm and identity. Then see what Ainge can do with combo of picks, young players, TPE (Barnes, Collins, etc). This team is in a rut right now but they are basically in the pack in the East. They are like 4 games out of first place. It’s bad right now but it’s not something that can’t be turned around/fixed.

Yeah. Two other names I can think of are John Collins and Aaron Gordon as trade targets.

I personally LOVE the idea of John Collins and having him help out Tatum + Brown long term, since he also would fit the timeline really well. 

This is a trade idea WEEI put out there as a possibility:

Celtics get: John Collins, Solomon Hill
Hawks get: Robert Williams, Grant Willams, Aaron Nesmith, 2022 first-rounder, 2024 first-rounder (lottery protected)

I wouldn't mind giving up this year's 1st too if it meant this were possible.

Hill would be an expiring in this case, but for this season he could still be alright depth to have. Can't be worse than the 12-15 spots in our bench I imagine.

I’d make that deal so fast my head would spin.

[86MaxwellSmart]

We stink....Danny had better make a deal, or Tatum and Brown might reconsider staying...I know they're under contract, but players have been known to force a trade.

[SparzWizard]

I'm confused with some of the responses for trading Brown + assets for Beal. How on earth does that make us much better?? To date this season, Brown has been our best player and most consistent one. He's also our 2nd best defender on the team behind Smart.

I think the best course of action is to get Smart + Langford back healthy, hoping Kemba gets up to speed and can function as a #3 option, and then trading this year's 1st + another smaller asset to acquire someone, whether it's Harrison Barnes or someone similar. Or frankly I wouldn't even mind flipping 1 of Theis/Thompson in a package to acquire another big man using the TPE (like Vucevic for example).

Truth be told, my biggest worry is our frontcourt (PF and C). In theory, our guard and wing positions when healthy can still do well and I think Kemba can improve. He won't be All-Star Kemba, but he can be a solid 3rd or 4th option. But this frontcourt just isn't going to cut it really. I wouldn't mind a Harrison Barnes-like addition ("playmaking wing and 3rd/4th option"), but if the team could find a legit PF/C I think that's best case scenario. That guy + Timelord + 1 of Theis/Thompson would be nice.

I agree 100%. Need to use this time from now until the trade deadline to see if they can get healthy and form some sort of rhythm and identity. Then see what Ainge can do with combo of picks, young players, TPE (Barnes, Collins, etc). This team is in a rut right now but they are basically in the pack in the East. They are like 4 games out of first place. It’s bad right now but it’s not something that can’t be turned around/fixed.

Yeah. Two other names I can think of are John Collins and Aaron Gordon as trade targets.

I personally LOVE the idea of John Collins and having him help out Tatum + Brown long term, since he also would fit the timeline really well. 

This is a trade idea WEEI put out there as a possibility:

Celtics get: John Collins, Solomon Hill
Hawks get: Robert Williams, Grant Willams, Aaron Nesmith, 2022 first-rounder, 2024 first-rounder (lottery protected)

I wouldn't mind giving up this year's 1st too if it meant this were possible.

Hill would be an expiring in this case, but for this season he could still be alright depth to have. Can't be worse than the 12-15 spots in our bench I imagine.

I’d make that deal so fast my head would spin.

Can we switch out Robert Williams and replace that with Daniel Theis instead

[0003323344]

Firing Brad Stevens is number 1 on my list. This team needs a new voice, a new figure, a new offensive philosophy and identity.

He's only good for rebuilding teams. We are past that (2013-2016). He's clearly not the coach to contend in the NBA.

Agreed Ainge thought Stevens could be the new, young coach of the future of the Celtics. He led his Butler teams deep into the NCAA tournament but couldn't win the tournament much like he couldn't get the Celtics into the finals and win a ring. Time to move on from Stevens and find a coach that can show some emotion and intensity. Stevens coaches rah rah college style it doesn't work in the NBA and frankly i think he has lost his players and they don't want to win for him anymore.

[0003323344]

They're 13-13 not 6-20.

They aren't going to shut down their two best players (who are having All-NBA seasons despite some rough games lately).

They have every reason to believe they will have the starting 5 from last years ECF roster available and healthy for the playoffs.


No team, and I mean NO team, outrights tanks in that situation.

The problem is they're playing like a 6-20 team losing to the woeful Pistons twice and the equally woeful Wizards and the Knicks. Oh man this team is bad they looked so disinterested tonight. Brad has lost this team. Yes, they can probably make the playoffs but they won't go very far as constituted.

[gouki88]

I'm confused with some of the responses for trading Brown + assets for Beal. How on earth does that make us much better?? To date this season, Brown has been our best player and most consistent one. He's also our 2nd best defender on the team behind Smart.

I think the best course of action is to get Smart + Langford back healthy, hoping Kemba gets up to speed and can function as a #3 option, and then trading this year's 1st + another smaller asset to acquire someone, whether it's Harrison Barnes or someone similar. Or frankly I wouldn't even mind flipping 1 of Theis/Thompson in a package to acquire another big man using the TPE (like Vucevic for example).

Truth be told, my biggest worry is our frontcourt (PF and C). In theory, our guard and wing positions when healthy can still do well and I think Kemba can improve. He won't be All-Star Kemba, but he can be a solid 3rd or 4th option. But this frontcourt just isn't going to cut it really. I wouldn't mind a Harrison Barnes-like addition ("playmaking wing and 3rd/4th option"), but if the team could find a legit PF/C I think that's best case scenario. That guy + Timelord + 1 of Theis/Thompson would be nice.

I agree 100%. Need to use this time from now until the trade deadline to see if they can get healthy and form some sort of rhythm and identity. Then see what Ainge can do with combo of picks, young players, TPE (Barnes, Collins, etc). This team is in a rut right now but they are basically in the pack in the East. They are like 4 games out of first place. It’s bad right now but it’s not something that can’t be turned around/fixed.

Yeah. Two other names I can think of are John Collins and Aaron Gordon as trade targets.

I personally LOVE the idea of John Collins and having him help out Tatum + Brown long term, since he also would fit the timeline really well. 

This is a trade idea WEEI put out there as a possibility:

Celtics get: John Collins, Solomon Hill
Hawks get: Robert Williams, Grant Willams, Aaron Nesmith, 2022 first-rounder, 2024 first-rounder (lottery protected)

I wouldn't mind giving up this year's 1st too if it meant this were possible.

Hill would be an expiring in this case, but for this season he could still be alright depth to have. Can't be worse than the 12-15 spots in our bench I imagine.

I’d make that deal so fast my head would spin.

Can we switch out Robert Williams and replace that with Daniel Theis instead

We could salary-wise, but I dunno if that's more or less appealing

[ozgod]

I think Danny and Brad want to add someone, whether it's with the TPE or with picks or even a trade. I think the challenge is finding the right player at the right price, without weakening other parts of the team. I think they weren't expecting to lose Hayward, so losing him has put a lot more on the shoulders of Tatum and Brown, not just offensively but defensively. Brad tried to make up for Hayward's loss by trying to convert Theis into a stretch 4 to replace Hayward more so on the defensive end, also to try and accommodate Kardashian, who I think hasn't worked out as well as they thought he would as a starter. Then Kemba's injury meant he hasn't really been a contributor offensively or in terms of running the team, which has put a lot more on Smart's shoulders.

Also I have a feeling Brad is using these games as experimentation to work out his best combos or worst combos, even at the cost of losing games. I don't think he or Danny are overreacting the way we as fans are, but the risk in that is always your team starts to get disengaged, especially the bench guys who sit all one game then play 20 min the next and then sit the next. Or start one game then don't play the next. Unless they're all tuned in to what's going on it could cause confusion, and could cause the top guys to get disheartened. That's what I'm reading from some of the comments from Jaylen recently.