Over reaction panic poll: What should Danny do?

[Tr1boy]

Losing 4 out of 5 now. 10 out of the last 16 games. And recently to basement dwellers like Pistons and Wizards. 

The worst of it all is the team defense. They cant stop a pilon.

Would like to see where people are at/what Danny should do at this rate.

[jpotter33]

Lol I do have to laugh at the option of "Trade Brown, Walker and Tatum for 12-13 1sts picks. Rebuild". That is certainly a major overreaction, as you would essentially be trading away guys like Tatum and Brown for the hope of drafting guys like... Tatum and Brown.

I think we need to go all in on for someone like Barnes, who is exactly what we need to help bolster this roster. We need fewer inconsistent young guys and more consistent, solid vets who can help support our stars in not having to take that much of the load. Barnes also happens to be on a team-friendly deal and is a good two-play player and wouldn't come with some of the downsides that some of the more higher profile names like Collins would.

EDIT: Most of all, I really hope that we don't just wait and try to use the TPE this summer unless that's a last resort option because we can't get anything right now, as I feel like there's not that much this summer to work with and that's a gamble that we may not be able to use.

[Kuberski33]

You need to list 'Resign' as a choice.

[Kuberski33]

The problem they have is once you get past Pritchard and maybe Thompson, there's not a lot of trade value on the bench. Time Lord you can maybe move and maybe someone likes Langford or Nesmith, but none of those are going to bring you a quality rotation player.

You can maybe make a trade for the sake of making a trade - and maybe they need to - but Ainge has dug himself a sizeable hole with this crap roster - pretty much all guys that he drafted.

[gouki88]

I’m going to vote with my signature

I also think we should flip guys for immediate help. A series of trades like so:

https://tradenba.com/trades/xx8Rg9_CB

Celtics trade: Edwards, 2021 OKC 2nd
Detroit trade: Ellington
The next one I would love is not really that realistic, but I don’t care - the whole premise of this thread is to overreact anyway

https://tradenba.com/trades/rm3vkV68e

Boston trades: Kemba Walker, Tristan Thompson, Romeo Langford, Grant Williams, 2021 1st, 2023 1st
Boston receives: Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Reggie Bullock, Austin Rivers

Orlando trades: Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon
Orlando receives: Tristan Thompson, Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox, Romeo Langford, Grant Williams, Boston 2021 1st, Dallas 2021 1st via New York

New York trades: Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox, Reggie Bullock, Austin Rivers, 2021 Dallas 1st
New York receives: Kemba Walker, 2023 Boston 1st

Leaves us with a healthy team of:
Smart / Pritchard / Teague
Brown / Ellington / Rivers
Tatum / Bullock / Nesmith
Gordon / Ojeleye / R Williams
Vucevic / Theis / R Williams

That’s my overreaction

[GreenlyGreeny]

You need to list 'Resign' as a choice.

Oh no, it’s never Danny’s fault. He’s so great which is why we’ve not won a title in over a dozen years. Rondo has twice as many titles as Danny this century.

Even “Trader Danny” is a misnomer considering nobody except MJ has been willing to trade with him since he screwed IT almost four years ago. That’s a big reason for why all these guys he drafted who make up our bench are here and mostly useless. Nobody is willing to trade with him anymore and look at the outcome.

[PhoSita]

I want to say that it's time to start trading away these younger guys to get more veteran help, even if it's a downgrade in terms of talent.

You've got the talent at the core of the team ... Jayson, Jaylen, Kemba, Smart.  Other than those guys you really just need a balanced, reliable, complementary group of role players. 


The problem is, I'm not sure the younger guys have much trade value right now.  So that really leaves me at a loss as to what DA should do.

[RodyTur10]

Crazy idea: shut down Brown and Tatum with "injuries" for the rest of the season, such that they can reset for the next season. Including the Bubble and playoffs, only two months vacation, I can see that fatigue is a problem as well.

Just shutting down Brown and Tatum and we're basically a lottery team. With so few teams looking to tank we may get a top 10 pick, build up value on our youngsters and veterans who'll automatically see their numbers increase.
As a result we also get a better insight on which guys can become reliable rotation players on a contender.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Crazy idea: shut down Brown and Tatum with "injuries" for the rest of the season, such that they can reset for the next season. Including the Bubble and playoffs, only two months vacation, I can see that fatigue is a problem as well.

Just shutting down Brown and Tatum and we're basically a lottery team. With so few teams looking to tank we may get a top 10 pick, build up value on our youngsters and veterans who'll automatically will see their numbers increase.
As a result we also get a better insight on which guys can become reliable rotation players on a contender.

This might be the best idea yet. But I’m not sure the Jays would want to see their stats suffer. After they both make the all-star game, they may be more open to this idea.

[PhoSita]

They're 13-13 not 6-20.

They aren't going to shut down their two best players (who are having All-NBA seasons despite some rough games lately).

They have every reason to believe they will have the starting 5 from last years ECF roster available and healthy for the playoffs.


No team, and I mean NO team, outrights tanks in that situation.

[gouki88]

Crazy idea: shut down Brown and Tatum with "injuries" for the rest of the season, such that they can reset for the next season. Including the Bubble and playoffs, only two months vacation, I can see that fatigue is a problem as well.

Just shutting down Brown and Tatum and we're basically a lottery team. With so few teams looking to tank we may get a top 10 pick, build up value on our youngsters and veterans who'll automatically see their numbers increase.
As a result we also get a better insight on which guys can become reliable rotation players on a contender.

So what Golden State did last year?

[blink]

I want to say that it's time to start trading away these younger guys to get more veteran help, even if it's a downgrade in terms of talent.

You've got the talent at the core of the team ... Jayson, Jaylen, Kemba, Smart.  Other than those guys you really just need a balanced, reliable, complementary group of role players. 


The problem is, I'm not sure the younger guys have much trade value right now.  So that really leaves me at a loss as to what DA should do.

I agree with most of this, especially the bolded part.  If a 4/5th banana behind the Jays / Kemba / Smart can be found by trading some young guys, a future pick or two, and using the TPE then I say do it.  I don't feel that all this is on Smart's injury, but it would be nice to get him back and see how much that helps. 

I am not for trading Brown for Beal.  I don't think triboy was serious about trading the whole roster.  I don't think Marcus and Romeo coming back is the answer by itself.  I don't think Brad is a bad coach, and I don't think we fire him.  What better coach is out there waiting to be snagged up?  There just aren't a lot of good answers.  It is either be patient for the young players like Timelord, Pritcher, Nesmith to develop or move them and a pick/s to get some significant improvement for the roster. 

I mean our roster wasn't that good to start the season, and we had a lot of holes to plug.  Triston Thompson and Teague seemed like ok-decent, but not great gets at the time. I am not sure why this is a surprise we are a .500 level club to some of us here?  We have 2 great young players who are still getting better, we have a great def leader, and an aging shoot first point guard that is coming back from injury.  Other than those 4, and maybe Theis, the team is either subpar or too young to make consistent contributions to a playoff contender. 

We are more than 1 move away from solving it all.  But one good move could help a lot if it was the right one.  I just don't think any of those listed in the poll are the right one.

[Kuberski33]

Serious question - is Evan Turner worse than any of their other wings not named Jaylen or Jason? And he moves the ball.  I would start by asking him to get in shape and come back for the rest of the season.

Then I'd consider doing something with NO to get Lonzo and Reddick here.
That's the only short term fix I can come up with. 

At this point the only keepers to me are Jaylen, Tatum, Smart and Kemba. I'd have no issue with completely turning over the rest of the roster. Pritchard is definitely a keeper but he may also be their most tradeable asset right now. I would certainly consider moving him for the right return.

[GreenWarrior]

And that's why danny really needs to be scrutinized. We've lost horford, kyrie, & hayward with nothing to show for it.

We were told all these draft picks we're assets leading everyone to believe we were going to move those picks, and even had opportunities to do so but then ainge said he didn't want to mess with the chemistry. Only to come to the realization there was no chemistry. He deviated from the plan.

The way the hayward situation was handled was amateur. There was no plan there as I think danny believed hayward wasn't going to leave. But the guy we get to replace hayward was just a scramble to make up for such crap handling of the situation - Jeff teague.

The bench he built this season is a disgrace and a slap in the face of the organization.

[RodyTur10]

They're 13-13 not 6-20.

They aren't going to shut down their two best players (who are having All-NBA seasons despite some rough games lately).

They have every reason to believe they will have the starting 5 from last years ECF roster available and healthy for the playoffs.

No team, and I mean NO team, outrights tanks in that situation.

I admitted it was crazy. It would help us in the longterm theoretically.

The Celtics are only 3.5 games up on 27th placed Cleveland. Also just 3.5 games down on 5th placed Phoenix.