All in for Bradley Beal

[celticsfanAUS]

Celtics get: Bradley Beal
Wizards get: Robert Williams, Carsen Edwards, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith, 2021 first round (unprotected), 2022 (pick swap), 2023 first round (unprotected)

I genuinely think this could be the missing piece of our puzzle. The players we let go of (other than Rob) don’t get too many minutes because of our current talent but I still believe they are exciting prospects with decent enough ceilings to play a role in a teams rebuild. The picks won’t be high but they will be a further asset that could turn into a player or be flipped in further trades.

Who says no to this?

[gouki88]

Washington probably say no. Beal hasn't demanded out, so he would likely demand a significant trade package. Feel like other teams could outbid that deal easily. Would need to send out Smart, or send Kemba to a 3rd team to get fair value

[Alec14]

Washington would hang up the phone and cry tears of laughter. That offer is way, way too low. None of those 4 players have any real value. For Beal you'd need to include at least one rising star type player, a few quality role players, and a boatload of draft picks. None of those players even sniff 'quality role player'. Robert Williams might get there. Maybe Langford and Nesmith (maybe) in the distant future. I'd say something more realistic would be a direct Jaylen Brown / Beal swap, or Marcus Smart, Payton Pritchard, Robert Williams, plus 3 unprotected first round picks.   

[pearljammer10]

Trade wouldn’t work. Wed need to send out more salary.

I’d send firsts in 2022, 2024, 2026 and swap right in 2021,2023,2025 along with Williams, Neismith, Langford, Smart, and Edwards though. 

Still not sure Wash would say yes.

[Neurotic Guy]

Washington would hang up the phone and cry tears of laughter. That offer is way, way too low. None of those 4 players have any real value. For Beal you'd need to include at least one rising star type player, a few quality role players, and a boatload of draft picks. None of those players even sniff 'quality role player'. Robert Williams might get there. Maybe Langford and Nesmith (maybe) in the distant future. I'd say something more realistic would be a direct Jaylen Brown / Beal swap, or Marcus Smart, Payton Pritchard, Robert Williams, plus 3 unprotected first round picks.

Funny that the assumption is that other team’s GMs are not smart and don’t have their teams best interest in mind.  Do you trade Brown or Tatum for a package like that? GMs are generally aware that 5 nickels for a quarter doesn’t usually work out well.

Also funny is the persistent lack of inclusion of Pritchard in trade ideas. PP is the only non-Jay that could be seen as a “rising star” (probably an overstatement) by another GM.   I see no deal C’s can offer that gets near Beal without Jaylen.  But if trying for two dimes and a nickel for quarter I suppose you have to begin with Smart and Pritchard.  But that really gets you nowhere near Beal imo.

[tazzmaniac]

Trade wouldn’t work. Wed need to send out more salary.

I’d send firsts in 2022, 2024, 2026 and swap right in 2021,2023,2025 along with Williams, Neismith, Langford, Smart, and Edwards though. 

Still not sure Wash would say yes.

I expect they wouldn't wouldn't say yes to your offer either.  Too complete the trade they'd have to get rid of 4 players to free up necessary roster spots.   

[Moranis]

I honestly have no interest in Beal.  I don't think he is good enough or the best fit and wouldn't be worth what it would take to acquire him. 

[Neurotic Guy]

If this is true:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2931306-nba-gm-bradley-beal-trade-asking-price-is-3-1st-round-picks-young-player-more

and if "young player" is Payton Pritchard (plus Marcus) and not Jaylen Brown, then I'm all in.  I think Moranis is correct that the fit isn't great, but if not giving up Jaylen to get him, the talent is, IMO, impossible to pass up.    Watching the C's figure out how to make offense work with Kemba, Beal, Jaylen and Jayson would be fun I think.

Beal - tremendous 6th man - changes the bench and game rotations entirely. 

[Moranis]

If this is true:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2931306-nba-gm-bradley-beal-trade-asking-price-is-3-1st-round-picks-young-player-more

and if "young player" is Payton Pritchard (plus Marcus) and not Jaylen Brown, then I'm all in.  I think Moranis is correct that the fit isn't great, but if not giving up Jaylen to get him, the talent is, IMO, impossible to pass up.    Watching the C's figure out how to make offense work with Kemba, Beal, Jaylen and Jayson would be fun I think.

Beal - tremendous 6th man - changes the bench and game rotations entirely.

3 unprotected 1sts, 2 1st round pick swaps, young player, and expiring contract.  Boston can't make that work as it doesn't have the contracts that can fit those requirements.  Also not sure it can hit he young player either.

[Phantom255x]

The only way I like it is if you're able to get him while keeping Jaylen + Tatum. The goal should be to ADD to that duo, not give up either in a trade unless you miraculously get someone like Doncic back (lol).

Ultimately Washington will get better offers from elsewhere. Kemba's value isn't as high and our picks no longer have much value either being in the 20s. You could trade Smart in a package, but Ainge must value him highly and also, Washington will still want a lot more from our end.

[nickagneta]

Clearly the OP doesn't get the concept of "all in"  when trading for a player.

All in on Beal probably means moving one of the Jays, more parts for salary matching and tons of 1st round picks and swaps.

That is "all in" and that would not be a wise move.

[RodyTur10]

Clearly the OP doesn't get the concept of "all in"  when trading for a player.

All in on Beal probably means moving one of the Jays, more parts for salary matching and tons of 1st round picks and swaps.

That is "all in" and that would not be a wise move.

Bradley Beal is no James Harden. That would be a crazy package.
In my opinion Tatum is on par with Beal if you take defense into consideration.
And if you consider age and contract length I'd say Brown is just as valuable on the trade market as Beal.

All in on Beal does mean that we're trading a ton of future picks + a couple of prospects (like how the Lakers obtained Anthony Davis). If another team tops that offer okay, but you're not trading Brown or Tatum!
I don't think the Wizards would expect Tatum or Brown in return either.

What team is going to trade a young All Star on a longterm contract for Beal anyway? I'd say none.

[keevsnick]

An all in move would be more like

Beal to BOS
Walker to 3rd Team
1st from 3rd Team, 21',23',25' + Swaps in 22', 24' From BOS, +Langford, Nesmith, Timelord and one of Pritchard/GWill too Washington

Thats 4 firsts, two swaps, 4 rookie scale guys. That STILL might not be enough. You might need to ad the swap in 26' and pick in 27' or even Marcus Smart. And its not a guarantee Kemba will even bring you a first in return, only if he plays better the rest of the year. 

[Moranis]

Clearly the OP doesn't get the concept of "all in"  when trading for a player.

All in on Beal probably means moving one of the Jays, more parts for salary matching and tons of 1st round picks and swaps.

That is "all in" and that would not be a wise move.

Bradley Beal is no James Harden. That would be a crazy package.
In my opinion Tatum is on par with Beal if you take defense into consideration.
And if you consider age and contract length I'd say Brown is just as valuable on the trade market as Beal.

All in on Beal does mean that we're trading a ton of future picks + a couple of prospects (like how the Lakers obtained Anthony Davis). If another team tops that offer okay, but you're not trading Brown or Tatum!
I don't think the Wizards would expect Tatum or Brown in return either.

What team is going to trade a young All Star on a longterm contract for Beal anyway? I'd say none.

Tatum is not only more valuable but also flat out better than Beal.  Beal is a very nice player, but he doesn't move the needle much at all (look at Washington's record through the years).  For what it would take to acquire him, both in contract value and draft picks, he just isn't worth it.  Frankly, I'm not so sure Walker isn't a better fit going forward (and Walker would have to go out to meaningfully make the salaries work and keep Brown and Tatum).  If it was something like Walker and a couple of protected 1st's and a couple of pick swaps, I'd probably do it, just to try something new, but much more than that doesn't make sense and there is no way Washington wants Walker so you'd have to find a 3rd team.

I think this trade might theoretically work for all 3 teams, though New Orleans would have to believe in Kemba

Boston - Beal, Lopez, Bledsoe
New Orleans - Walker, G. Williams (or Langford), 2021 BOS 1st
Washington - Redick, Ball, Nesmith, Pritchard, 2023 BOS 1st, 2022, 2024, and 2026 BOS swap

I'd probably do that and it seems like reasonable value for all 3 teams if New Orleans thinks Kemba would work with Zion and Ingram going forward and Washington likes Ball, Nesmith, and Pritchard (as they wouldn't get as many 1st's in that trade).

So Boston post-trade

Starters - Bledsoe, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Thompson
Main Rotation - Smart, Langford, Ojeleye, Theis, Lopez, R. Williams
Deep Bench - Teague, Edwards, Green, Waters, Fall

That team would have a good shot at competing for a title the next 5 years or so. 

[SparzWizard]

Considering that this team isn't/hasn't been winning crap even with their draftees, let's just go all in if it means winning 3 titles in the next 5 years.

Worst that happens- they don't win anything, but at least they tried different ways lol. But they've been trying in the past with those home-grown players and nothing has come out of it.