Tendonitis

[Fred Ziffel]

Jaylen Brown has tendonitis.  Hopefully he will get rest so it doesn't become chronic.

[Goldstar88]

Yeesh. I have that in my shoulder from Tennis. Not fun...

[Tr1boy]

Jaylen Brown has tendonitis.  Hopefully he will get rest so it doesn't become chronic.

A good chunk of NBA athletes get it but more explosive athletes/who like to push their limit like Brown may be more prone to it

Imo Brad has to reduce his minutes in the game.  Consider sitting him on b2b. 

So that he can push harder for the playoffs

[Who]

I was watching a game from the late 90s the other day with Hakeem Olajuwon in it -- the commentator had a story, Hakeem had gotten tendonitis for the first time recently. He came up to one of his former teammates who had suffered from it throughout his career and said sorry for giving you such a hard time in the past when you are complaining about your tendonitis. I have it now and I know it feels - "it's like a migraine in your knee".

I thought that was fun. Story had two purposes (1) Hakeem is a physical freak who never got tendonitis until the end of his career when most other players get it closer to the middle of their career and suffer through it for the rest of their career (2) the migraine in your knee line was awesome.

[Vermont Green]

I had tendonitis in a tendon in my foot.  It was the result of training for a half marathon.  I had an MRI and everything so the diagnosis was very specific.  Tendonitis is a series of micro-tears in your tendon.  It shows up on the MRI as a series dots on the tendon.  It is a very real and specific condition although I would not have understood that before my experience.

In my case, I waited a year before going to the Doctor (thinking it would just go away) and the MRI was after a couple of months of therapy 3 times a day stretching (the Doctor thought it would just go away too).  The doctor said he was very surprised at the extent of the damage after all that had already been done to address it (I think he thought I was just complaining about how much my foot hurt).

Severity can vary of course.  In my case, my foot still hurts sometimes but it took about 6 months of keeping up with the stretching and easing back into running (1.5 years total from the injury).  Now Jaylen Brown is much younger than me and will heal faster.  If they have caught it before it got too bad, I suspect they can manage it.

[PhoSita]

Also a runner here --- I've had runner's knee, which I think is a kind of tendonitis around the knee.  In my case -- and I think this is generally how it works -- tendonitis presents as lingering pain that doesn't go away and is aggravated by activity.  It's a sign you need to slow down and stop putting the same kind of strain on that area, and possibly also strengthen or stretch in other areas to avoid the kind of imbalanced movements that led to the condition in the first place.

That's my 100% layman's impression of it, anyway.

Biggest concern for me about Jaylen having tendonitis is it means that he needs to have his workload lessened, at a time when the team really needs to lean as much as possible on the stars.  But I guess part of the problem is we've been leaning on them too much already. 

The other concern is that tendonitis could suggest an increased chance of a more significant injury in that area unless Jaylen adequately reduces the strain and allows it to heal.  But as Vermont Green already explained really well, tendonitis can take a long time to resolve.  For me, I had lingering pain below my knee for what felt like ages, even when I reduced my running a lot.  But it did go away eventually.

[Tr1boy]

Also a runner here --- I've had runner's knee, which I think is a kind of tendonitis around the knee.  In my case -- and I think this is generally how it works -- tendonitis presents as lingering pain that doesn't go away and is aggravated by activity.  It's a sign you need to slow down and stop putting the same kind of strain on that area, and possibly also strengthen or stretch in other areas to avoid the kind of imbalanced movements that led to the condition in the first place.

That's my 100% layman's impression of it, anyway.

Biggest concern for me about Jaylen having tendonitis is it means that he needs to have his workload lessened, at a time when the team really needs to lean as much as possible on the stars.  But I guess part of the problem is we've been leaning on them too much already. 

The other concern is that tendonitis could suggest an increased chance of a more significant injury in that area unless Jaylen adequately reduces the strain and allows it to heal.  But as Vermont Green already explained really well, tendonitis can take a long time to resolve.  For me, I had lingering pain below my knee for what felt like ages, even when I reduced my running a lot.  But it did go away eventually.

I had a similar problem in the past

tbh I probably tore something, didn't know and thought it would heal on its own.

I had benefits  from work and got shockwave therapy on my knee area.    But it only helped lessen the pain for a few days.

After not working out that hard for 6 months,  I didn't feel pain but didn't push it hard on consecutive days afterwards

 

[Tr1boy]

Brown current knee problem and hopefully doesn't become one for Tatum (or other health problem)

Is that the team is leaning way too hard on these two players to carry the load on the offensive end  (coupled with a short off season after a grueling playoffs)

Brad is leaning on them too hard.   One is always on the court at all times.   There are only so many minutes both players can rest.  They could both use 5 extra less min on the court

Brad has to change his rotation/minutes.   Play Nesmith more.  Play Edwards more

If they can't cut it, its up to Danny to add help

[RJ87]

Brown current knee problem and hopefully doesn't become one for Tatum (or other health problem)

Is that the team is leaning way too hard on these two players to carry the load on the offensive end  (coupled with a short off season after a grueling playoffs)

Brad is leaning on them too hard.   One is always on the court at all times.   There are only so many minutes both players can rest.  They could both use 5 extra less min on the court

Brad has to change his rotation/minutes.   Play Nesmith more.  Play Edwards more

If they can't cut it, its up to Danny to add help

Jaylen is playing 33.3 minutes per game, down slightly from last year's 33.9 minutes per game. Jayson's minutes are up about a minute and a half from last season to 35.7 minutes per game, but he's still not playing any more than guys like Malcolm Brogdon, Zach Lavine, or Pascal Siakam.

In other words, Brad's not playing them a crazy amount. That's a false narrative.

[seancally]

Also a runner here --- I've had runner's knee, which I think is a kind of tendonitis around the knee.  In my case -- and I think this is generally how it works -- tendonitis presents as lingering pain that doesn't go away and is aggravated by activity.  It's a sign you need to slow down and stop putting the same kind of strain on that area, and possibly also strengthen or stretch in other areas to avoid the kind of imbalanced movements that led to the condition in the first place.

That's my 100% layman's impression of it, anyway.

Biggest concern for me about Jaylen having tendonitis is it means that he needs to have his workload lessened, at a time when the team really needs to lean as much as possible on the stars.  But I guess part of the problem is we've been leaning on them too much already. 

The other concern is that tendonitis could suggest an increased chance of a more significant injury in that area unless Jaylen adequately reduces the strain and allows it to heal.  But as Vermont Green already explained really well, tendonitis can take a long time to resolve.  For me, I had lingering pain below my knee for what felt like ages, even when I reduced my running a lot.  But it did go away eventually.

I had a similar problem in the past

tbh I probably tore something, didn't know and thought it would heal on its own.

I had benefits  from work and got shockwave therapy on my knee area.    But it only helped lessen the pain for a few days.

After not working out that hard for 6 months,  I didn't feel pain but didn't push it hard on consecutive days afterwards

 

Jumping on the armchair physician train here —

I have had off/on knee soreness for ~15yrs (now 30 years old). Lifelong runner, basketball in HS and rec league in college. Best things for me have been strengthening glutes (heavy lifting and targeted glute exercises), managing weight, improving flexibility, and yes, rest.

In Brown’s case, and other players - look this year was bound to bring up more overuse injuries among players who went into the bubble playoffs. Not much rest, recovery and season prep/strength work. It is a huge drag on the body to pivot so quickly to a new season like that. Sure, the freaks of nature (Lebron) may be just fine. But I bet plenty of other players will miss occasional time as a result of this.

[PhoSita]

Brown current knee problem and hopefully doesn't become one for Tatum (or other health problem)

Is that the team is leaning way too hard on these two players to carry the load on the offensive end  (coupled with a short off season after a grueling playoffs)

Brad is leaning on them too hard.   One is always on the court at all times.   There are only so many minutes both players can rest.  They could both use 5 extra less min on the court

Brad has to change his rotation/minutes.   Play Nesmith more.  Play Edwards more

If they can't cut it, its up to Danny to add help

Jaylen is playing 33.3 minutes per game, down slightly from last year's 33.9 minutes per game. Jayson's minutes are up about a minute and a half from last season to 35.7 minutes per game, but he's still not playing any more than guys like Malcolm Brogdon, Zach Lavine, or Pascal Siakam.

In other words, Brad's not playing them a crazy amount. That's a false narrative.

Jaylen's attempting 4 more shots a game, though, and generally doing more heavy lifting on offense.  Getting to the line a little bit more, too.

I don't think it's an issue of Brad playing them too much, but when they're on the court the Jays need to do a lot to keep the team afloat.  They can't take any plays off.

[Tr1boy]

Brown current knee problem and hopefully doesn't become one for Tatum (or other health problem)

Is that the team is leaning way too hard on these two players to carry the load on the offensive end  (coupled with a short off season after a grueling playoffs)

Brad is leaning on them too hard.   One is always on the court at all times.   There are only so many minutes both players can rest.  They could both use 5 extra less min on the court

Brad has to change his rotation/minutes.   Play Nesmith more.  Play Edwards more

If they can't cut it, its up to Danny to add help

Jaylen is playing 33.3 minutes per game, down slightly from last year's 33.9 minutes per game. Jayson's minutes are up about a minute and a half from last season to 35.7 minutes per game, but he's still not playing any more than guys like Malcolm Brogdon, Zach Lavine, or Pascal Siakam.

In other words, Brad's not playing them a crazy amount. That's a false narrative.

I don't think you realize that these are not regular 34 mins on the court

Brown is playing hard 90 percent of the time.  He is guarding top players and if not, asked to carry the load on offense (along with Tatum). 

[hwangjini_1]

what helped me for my tendonitis, arthritis, and even carpel tunnel has been apitherapy. sometimes it fixed a problem with only 1-2 stings. other times took a longer regime. but in every case it worked....knock on wood.

for me and apitherapy, i ice down the area for 10 to 15 minutes. then i apply the stings. then reapply the ice for 15 or more minutes.

if nothing else the icing helps. but honestly, for me apitherapy has been a savior.

and yes, sometimes even with ice the stings still hurt like the dickens. but less than the ailment, and it goes away quickly.

[RJ87]

Brown current knee problem and hopefully doesn't become one for Tatum (or other health problem)

Is that the team is leaning way too hard on these two players to carry the load on the offensive end  (coupled with a short off season after a grueling playoffs)

Brad is leaning on them too hard.   One is always on the court at all times.   There are only so many minutes both players can rest.  They could both use 5 extra less min on the court

Brad has to change his rotation/minutes.   Play Nesmith more.  Play Edwards more

If they can't cut it, its up to Danny to add help

Jaylen is playing 33.3 minutes per game, down slightly from last year's 33.9 minutes per game. Jayson's minutes are up about a minute and a half from last season to 35.7 minutes per game, but he's still not playing any more than guys like Malcolm Brogdon, Zach Lavine, or Pascal Siakam.

In other words, Brad's not playing them a crazy amount. That's a false narrative.

Jaylen's attempting 4 more shots a game, though, and generally doing more heavy lifting on offense.  Getting to the line a little bit more, too.

I don't think it's an issue of Brad playing them too much, but when they're on the court the Jays need to do a lot to keep the team afloat.  They can't take any plays off.

Triboy originally critiqued Brad's minutes distribution, suggesting both Jays see a 5 minute reduction in playing time. Realistically, are there any teams in the league who's best players average less than 30 minutes per game?

An increased workload is kind of the burden that goes with being a team's best players, no? My point in this case is even with the increased workload, they're minutes are still really reasonable compared to players with similar workloads on other teams.

[Vermont Green]

I think it is unfair that people are trying to make this Stevens' problem.  Now this season, there are more games being compressed into a shorter season so recovery time is less.  They also had less training camp.  But I do not believe that Tendonitis could have been prevented by playing Brown a few minutes less per game.  Maybe holding him out of back to backs but if he was that susceptible to injury, I am not sure it would have mattered.