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Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2021, 11:55:50 AM »

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Move Kemba(plus picks) for George Hill and AL Horford. Use the TPE (plus a pick) for Barnes or Thad Young. Problem solved.

Smart, Hill, Pritchard, Teague
Brown, Hill, Smart, Barnes/Thad Young
Tatum, Barnes/Thad Young, Semi, Smart
Theis, Timelord, G Williams
Horford, Thompson, Timelord

That’s a contender. Depth at every position, good shooters and defenders at every position. And it’s doable.

I have a modification to this

OKC gets Kemba and Edwards

Celtics get Horford, Hill and Dinwiddie

Nets get Thompson

I hate to help the Nets but I like the idea of letting Dinwiddie rehab in Boston, he can then either pick up his TO or become a FA and the Cs can sign him outright. This still leave the TPE in tact. This also cleans up the minutes at the Cs position.
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Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2021, 12:07:02 PM »

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i think coaching has something to do with the effective-ness of the bench guys though too.

they never know if they will play/ when/ how much

hard to get in a rythm that way

That's just bs. I'm in no way a stevens supporter but that's the name of the game and the way it is. The guys that stick around in this league are the guys that work with what they get.

But on the other end of the spectrum there shouldn't even be a bunch of young guys on the bench.

This goes to the central question-is Ainge still building for the future or does he believe the Cs can contend now?  The fact that we still have so many young players tends to support the former.

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2021, 01:30:52 PM »

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Move Kemba(plus picks) for George Hill and AL Horford. Use the TPE (plus a pick) for Barnes or Thad Young. Problem solved.

Smart, Pritchard, Teague
Brown, Smart, Barnes/Thad Young
Tatum, Barnes/Thad Young, Semi, Smart
Theis, Timelord, G Williams
Horford, Thompson, Timelord

That’s a contender. Depth at every position, good shooters and defenders at every position. And it’s doable.
that's bad salary management and not good talent wise. 
- Horford is not the same player he was when he was here. 
- Where's Hill on your roster?  he'd be the player I start at PG.  he's not as good as Good Kemba but better than Smart as a starting PG. 
- What are you giving up to entice Sac to give up Barnes and torpedo the season they're having?  better chance of getting Hield (who plays no D)
- What are you giving up to get Thad?  Would love to get him but the question is what are you giving up?

I don't see the C's contending this year.  Loss of Hayward killed that and Kemba's weak play have made them a low-level playoff team.   Only serious option I think they have is getting players healthy to fully evaluate who's got a future and who's got to be removed this coming offseason.  I don't see a miracle coming with the TPE this season at the trade deadline.  maybe in the offseason someone good becomes disgruntled and Danny can get them for a reasonable price.   I'd really like to see Romeo get healthy so we can see what he can do.  other than that, fingers crossed GWill gets back to where he was last season and improves, Timelord learns how to play team D and box out for rebounds, Nesmith shows he can be relied on for limited minutes and be productive, Pritchard continues to show he's a solid player and improves, Green continues to improve his D and develop an outside shot and finally, Semi goes back to being as good as he was earlier this season when he was playing solid D and consistently providing some points off the bench.

If all these 'ifs' broke perfectly in Boston's favor for next year, C's would only reasonably need a bruiser 4/5 that could come in and provide post D and rebounding against the likes of Embiid, KAT and Jokic.  Almost anything less than that, C's will have some real holes to fill around Jayson and Jaylen.


I have no hope at this point for Edwards, Waters or Tacko.

Updated the depth chart. Smart or Hill starting seems like a wash one way or the other. Horford is having a good year. Easily as good as any he had with the C’s and he’s shooting 40+% from 3. He fit’s in with this team much better than Kemba and gives us a solid option to pair with Theis. Kemba does not fit in with this team and he’s shooting horribly. He’s hurting the team being on the court.

In terms of salary management any of the following are expendable: Teague, GWill, Greene, waters, Edwards, Tacko, either Thompson or Timelord. Kemba makes essentially the same amount of money as Hill and Horford combined. I’d be fine giving up a first for Barnes and If Sac wants more than that look at Thad Young. He’s an expiring contract and the Bulls are going nowhere. How expensive can he possibly be? Knicks just got D Rose for Dennis Smith JR who is playing in the G league and a second round pick.

Also, Hayward was never a good fit on this team. He never had chemistry with Brown and Tatum and always crumbled under high pressure situations. This wait around for guys to get right or young guys to develop is not working. You have two stars, now build around them with established players and try to win now.
have to disagree on Horford.  he's nowhere near what he was for us.  Barnes will cost more than a first rounder.  he's having a good year and is a prime reason Sac is having a good year.  They're .500 for the first time in years.  Trading Barnes requires them to punt on this year and that'll cost.

the 'expendable' list isn't enough to manage the cap.  except for TT, they're all low salary players.  you can't just cut the roster to the point of not having enough to satisfy the minimum roster requirements. 

Hayward's fit was fine when he was healthy.  if he was playing this season, he'd be that third scoring option and probably primary facilitator on offense that Kemba isn't being for us.

Nowhere near where he was with the C’s? Have you watched any of his games or looked at the numbers.

Horford’s final season on the C’s

Mins: 29, PPG 13.6, Reb 6.7, Ast 4.2, Stl .9, Blk 1.3, FT 82%, FG 53%, 3PT 36%

This year on OKC

Mins: 27, PPG 13.7, Reb 7.1, Ast 3, Stl .9, Blk 1, FT 80%, FG 44% 3PT 41.5%


Horford and Hill make essentially the same amount of money as Kemba does. Maybe a little more. So you throw in Carsen Edwards, Javonte Greene and the numbers are the same. 
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Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2021, 01:35:11 PM »

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Move Kemba(plus picks) for George Hill and AL Horford. Use the TPE (plus a pick) for Barnes or Thad Young. Problem solved.

Smart, Hill, Pritchard, Teague
Brown, Hill, Smart, Barnes/Thad Young
Tatum, Barnes/Thad Young, Semi, Smart
Theis, Timelord, G Williams
Horford, Thompson, Timelord

That’s a contender. Depth at every position, good shooters and defenders at every position. And it’s doable.

I have a modification to this

OKC gets Kemba and Edwards

Celtics get Horford, Hill and Dinwiddie

Nets get Thompson

I hate to help the Nets but I like the idea of letting Dinwiddie rehab in Boston, he can then either pick up his TO or become a FA and the Cs can sign him outright. This still leave the TPE in tact. This also cleans up the minutes at the Cs position.

That would work as well, but I’m not sure the C’s and Nets would look to swap players like that. Think the TPE for Thad Young would be more likely.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2021, 01:35:31 PM »

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There is ZERO chance that Danny Ainge is trading for Al Horford, much less trading Kemba for Al Horford. Forget it.

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2021, 02:15:51 PM »

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There is ZERO chance that Danny Ainge is trading for Al Horford, much less trading Kemba for Al Horford. Forget it.
Right why trade for his overpaid self just to stunt the development of the very soon to be DPsY we have on our team

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2021, 02:27:29 PM »

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In my opinion it's the role players that are killing us.  They are soooo inconsistent.  The difference between winning games and losing games will be how they shoot the ball. 
Consistency in the NBA is a function of talent. Your best (almost always veteran) role players do what they're good at doing more often than most of the guys who fill out rotations on the lousy teams - or on this team.

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2021, 03:46:27 PM »

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There is ZERO chance that Danny Ainge is trading for Al Horford, much less trading Kemba for Al Horford. Forget it.

Yeah, why would they want to have two players that can help the team win, vs one who is just hurting the team game to game for essentially the same money. Makes no sense at all.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2021, 04:09:21 PM »

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The balance of young role players versus established role players is definitely off on this team.

It's also tough sledding with Kemba working his way back slowly from his knee issues. 


I'm still beating the "Be patient and wait to see how things look heading into the playoffs" drum for the most part.

I do think it would be ideal to trade a couple of the younger pieces and/or use the TPE to add some more consistent / reliable veterans.

This team is really missing a couple Jae Crowder / Marcus Morris types, even though those guys had their flaws.


I remain confident that Kemba is going to look pretty good by playoff time.  Perhaps he's not going to be Charlotte Kemba again, but all we really need is high teens efficient scoring plus competent pick and roll ball handling.  He can still get to his spots and get a shot up in crunch time (see: Clippers game).
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Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2021, 04:14:58 PM »

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Move Kemba(plus picks) for George Hill and AL Horford. Use the TPE (plus a pick) for Barnes or Thad Young. Problem solved.

Smart, Pritchard, Teague
Brown, Smart, Barnes/Thad Young
Tatum, Barnes/Thad Young, Semi, Smart
Theis, Timelord, G Williams
Horford, Thompson, Timelord

That’s a contender. Depth at every position, good shooters and defenders at every position. And it’s doable.
that's bad salary management and not good talent wise. 
- Horford is not the same player he was when he was here. 
- Where's Hill on your roster?  he'd be the player I start at PG.  he's not as good as Good Kemba but better than Smart as a starting PG. 
- What are you giving up to entice Sac to give up Barnes and torpedo the season they're having?  better chance of getting Hield (who plays no D)
- What are you giving up to get Thad?  Would love to get him but the question is what are you giving up?

I don't see the C's contending this year.  Loss of Hayward killed that and Kemba's weak play have made them a low-level playoff team.   Only serious option I think they have is getting players healthy to fully evaluate who's got a future and who's got to be removed this coming offseason.  I don't see a miracle coming with the TPE this season at the trade deadline.  maybe in the offseason someone good becomes disgruntled and Danny can get them for a reasonable price.   I'd really like to see Romeo get healthy so we can see what he can do.  other than that, fingers crossed GWill gets back to where he was last season and improves, Timelord learns how to play team D and box out for rebounds, Nesmith shows he can be relied on for limited minutes and be productive, Pritchard continues to show he's a solid player and improves, Green continues to improve his D and develop an outside shot and finally, Semi goes back to being as good as he was earlier this season when he was playing solid D and consistently providing some points off the bench.

If all these 'ifs' broke perfectly in Boston's favor for next year, C's would only reasonably need a bruiser 4/5 that could come in and provide post D and rebounding against the likes of Embiid, KAT and Jokic.  Almost anything less than that, C's will have some real holes to fill around Jayson and Jaylen.


I have no hope at this point for Edwards, Waters or Tacko.

Updated the depth chart. Smart or Hill starting seems like a wash one way or the other. Horford is having a good year. Easily as good as any he had with the C’s and he’s shooting 40+% from 3. He fit’s in with this team much better than Kemba and gives us a solid option to pair with Theis. Kemba does not fit in with this team and he’s shooting horribly. He’s hurting the team being on the court.

In terms of salary management any of the following are expendable: Teague, GWill, Greene, waters, Edwards, Tacko, either Thompson or Timelord. Kemba makes essentially the same amount of money as Hill and Horford combined. I’d be fine giving up a first for Barnes and If Sac wants more than that look at Thad Young. He’s an expiring contract and the Bulls are going nowhere. How expensive can he possibly be? Knicks just got D Rose for Dennis Smith JR who is playing in the G league and a second round pick.

Also, Hayward was never a good fit on this team. He never had chemistry with Brown and Tatum and always crumbled under high pressure situations. This wait around for guys to get right or young guys to develop is not working. You have two stars, now build around them with established players and try to win now.
have to disagree on Horford.  he's nowhere near what he was for us.  Barnes will cost more than a first rounder.  he's having a good year and is a prime reason Sac is having a good year.  They're .500 for the first time in years.  Trading Barnes requires them to punt on this year and that'll cost.

the 'expendable' list isn't enough to manage the cap.  except for TT, they're all low salary players.  you can't just cut the roster to the point of not having enough to satisfy the minimum roster requirements. 

Hayward's fit was fine when he was healthy.  if he was playing this season, he'd be that third scoring option and probably primary facilitator on offense that Kemba isn't being for us.

Nowhere near where he was with the C’s? Have you watched any of his games or looked at the numbers.

Horford’s final season on the C’s

Mins: 29, PPG 13.6, Reb 6.7, Ast 4.2, Stl .9, Blk 1.3, FT 82%, FG 53%, 3PT 36%

This year on OKC

Mins: 27, PPG 13.7, Reb 7.1, Ast 3, Stl .9, Blk 1, FT 80%, FG 44% 3PT 41.5%


Horford and Hill make essentially the same amount of money as Kemba does. Maybe a little more. So you throw in Carsen Edwards, Javonte Greene and the numbers are the same.
Yeah, he’s nowhere near where he was on the Cs. He’s gone from a DPOY candidate to a mediocre to below average defender.
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Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2021, 04:38:06 PM »

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Move Kemba(plus picks) for George Hill and AL Horford. Use the TPE (plus a pick) for Barnes or Thad Young. Problem solved.

Smart, Pritchard, Teague
Brown, Smart, Barnes/Thad Young
Tatum, Barnes/Thad Young, Semi, Smart
Theis, Timelord, G Williams
Horford, Thompson, Timelord

That’s a contender. Depth at every position, good shooters and defenders at every position. And it’s doable.
that's bad salary management and not good talent wise. 
- Horford is not the same player he was when he was here. 
- Where's Hill on your roster?  he'd be the player I start at PG.  he's not as good as Good Kemba but better than Smart as a starting PG. 
- What are you giving up to entice Sac to give up Barnes and torpedo the season they're having?  better chance of getting Hield (who plays no D)
- What are you giving up to get Thad?  Would love to get him but the question is what are you giving up?

I don't see the C's contending this year.  Loss of Hayward killed that and Kemba's weak play have made them a low-level playoff team.   Only serious option I think they have is getting players healthy to fully evaluate who's got a future and who's got to be removed this coming offseason.  I don't see a miracle coming with the TPE this season at the trade deadline.  maybe in the offseason someone good becomes disgruntled and Danny can get them for a reasonable price.   I'd really like to see Romeo get healthy so we can see what he can do.  other than that, fingers crossed GWill gets back to where he was last season and improves, Timelord learns how to play team D and box out for rebounds, Nesmith shows he can be relied on for limited minutes and be productive, Pritchard continues to show he's a solid player and improves, Green continues to improve his D and develop an outside shot and finally, Semi goes back to being as good as he was earlier this season when he was playing solid D and consistently providing some points off the bench.

If all these 'ifs' broke perfectly in Boston's favor for next year, C's would only reasonably need a bruiser 4/5 that could come in and provide post D and rebounding against the likes of Embiid, KAT and Jokic.  Almost anything less than that, C's will have some real holes to fill around Jayson and Jaylen.


I have no hope at this point for Edwards, Waters or Tacko.

Updated the depth chart. Smart or Hill starting seems like a wash one way or the other. Horford is having a good year. Easily as good as any he had with the C’s and he’s shooting 40+% from 3. He fit’s in with this team much better than Kemba and gives us a solid option to pair with Theis. Kemba does not fit in with this team and he’s shooting horribly. He’s hurting the team being on the court.

In terms of salary management any of the following are expendable: Teague, GWill, Greene, waters, Edwards, Tacko, either Thompson or Timelord. Kemba makes essentially the same amount of money as Hill and Horford combined. I’d be fine giving up a first for Barnes and If Sac wants more than that look at Thad Young. He’s an expiring contract and the Bulls are going nowhere. How expensive can he possibly be? Knicks just got D Rose for Dennis Smith JR who is playing in the G league and a second round pick.

Also, Hayward was never a good fit on this team. He never had chemistry with Brown and Tatum and always crumbled under high pressure situations. This wait around for guys to get right or young guys to develop is not working. You have two stars, now build around them with established players and try to win now.
have to disagree on Horford.  he's nowhere near what he was for us.  Barnes will cost more than a first rounder.  he's having a good year and is a prime reason Sac is having a good year.  They're .500 for the first time in years.  Trading Barnes requires them to punt on this year and that'll cost.

the 'expendable' list isn't enough to manage the cap.  except for TT, they're all low salary players.  you can't just cut the roster to the point of not having enough to satisfy the minimum roster requirements. 

Hayward's fit was fine when he was healthy.  if he was playing this season, he'd be that third scoring option and probably primary facilitator on offense that Kemba isn't being for us.

Nowhere near where he was with the C’s? Have you watched any of his games or looked at the numbers.

Horford’s final season on the C’s

Mins: 29, PPG 13.6, Reb 6.7, Ast 4.2, Stl .9, Blk 1.3, FT 82%, FG 53%, 3PT 36%

This year on OKC

Mins: 27, PPG 13.7, Reb 7.1, Ast 3, Stl .9, Blk 1, FT 80%, FG 44% 3PT 41.5%


Horford and Hill make essentially the same amount of money as Kemba does. Maybe a little more. So you throw in Carsen Edwards, Javonte Greene and the numbers are the same.
Yeah, he’s nowhere near where he was on the Cs. He’s gone from a DPOY candidate to a mediocre to below average defender.
and this is where I'm coming from.  his defense here was a big key for us.  he's not at that level anymore as a defender.  he may have some offensive stats that look like his last season here (which was his worst season here) but he's not the defensive stalwart we truly need

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2021, 04:48:14 PM »

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Move Kemba(plus picks) for George Hill and AL Horford. Use the TPE (plus a pick) for Barnes or Thad Young. Problem solved.

Smart, Pritchard, Teague
Brown, Smart, Barnes/Thad Young
Tatum, Barnes/Thad Young, Semi, Smart
Theis, Timelord, G Williams
Horford, Thompson, Timelord

That’s a contender. Depth at every position, good shooters and defenders at every position. And it’s doable.
that's bad salary management and not good talent wise. 
- Horford is not the same player he was when he was here. 
- Where's Hill on your roster?  he'd be the player I start at PG.  he's not as good as Good Kemba but better than Smart as a starting PG. 
- What are you giving up to entice Sac to give up Barnes and torpedo the season they're having?  better chance of getting Hield (who plays no D)
- What are you giving up to get Thad?  Would love to get him but the question is what are you giving up?

I don't see the C's contending this year.  Loss of Hayward killed that and Kemba's weak play have made them a low-level playoff team.   Only serious option I think they have is getting players healthy to fully evaluate who's got a future and who's got to be removed this coming offseason.  I don't see a miracle coming with the TPE this season at the trade deadline.  maybe in the offseason someone good becomes disgruntled and Danny can get them for a reasonable price.   I'd really like to see Romeo get healthy so we can see what he can do.  other than that, fingers crossed GWill gets back to where he was last season and improves, Timelord learns how to play team D and box out for rebounds, Nesmith shows he can be relied on for limited minutes and be productive, Pritchard continues to show he's a solid player and improves, Green continues to improve his D and develop an outside shot and finally, Semi goes back to being as good as he was earlier this season when he was playing solid D and consistently providing some points off the bench.

If all these 'ifs' broke perfectly in Boston's favor for next year, C's would only reasonably need a bruiser 4/5 that could come in and provide post D and rebounding against the likes of Embiid, KAT and Jokic.  Almost anything less than that, C's will have some real holes to fill around Jayson and Jaylen.


I have no hope at this point for Edwards, Waters or Tacko.

Updated the depth chart. Smart or Hill starting seems like a wash one way or the other. Horford is having a good year. Easily as good as any he had with the C’s and he’s shooting 40+% from 3. He fit’s in with this team much better than Kemba and gives us a solid option to pair with Theis. Kemba does not fit in with this team and he’s shooting horribly. He’s hurting the team being on the court.

In terms of salary management any of the following are expendable: Teague, GWill, Greene, waters, Edwards, Tacko, either Thompson or Timelord. Kemba makes essentially the same amount of money as Hill and Horford combined. I’d be fine giving up a first for Barnes and If Sac wants more than that look at Thad Young. He’s an expiring contract and the Bulls are going nowhere. How expensive can he possibly be? Knicks just got D Rose for Dennis Smith JR who is playing in the G league and a second round pick.

Also, Hayward was never a good fit on this team. He never had chemistry with Brown and Tatum and always crumbled under high pressure situations. This wait around for guys to get right or young guys to develop is not working. You have two stars, now build around them with established players and try to win now.
have to disagree on Horford.  he's nowhere near what he was for us.  Barnes will cost more than a first rounder.  he's having a good year and is a prime reason Sac is having a good year.  They're .500 for the first time in years.  Trading Barnes requires them to punt on this year and that'll cost.

the 'expendable' list isn't enough to manage the cap.  except for TT, they're all low salary players.  you can't just cut the roster to the point of not having enough to satisfy the minimum roster requirements. 

Hayward's fit was fine when he was healthy.  if he was playing this season, he'd be that third scoring option and probably primary facilitator on offense that Kemba isn't being for us.

Nowhere near where he was with the C’s? Have you watched any of his games or looked at the numbers.

Horford’s final season on the C’s

Mins: 29, PPG 13.6, Reb 6.7, Ast 4.2, Stl .9, Blk 1.3, FT 82%, FG 53%, 3PT 36%

This year on OKC

Mins: 27, PPG 13.7, Reb 7.1, Ast 3, Stl .9, Blk 1, FT 80%, FG 44% 3PT 41.5%


Horford and Hill make essentially the same amount of money as Kemba does. Maybe a little more. So you throw in Carsen Edwards, Javonte Greene and the numbers are the same.
Yeah, he’s nowhere near where he was on the Cs. He’s gone from a DPOY candidate to a mediocre to below average defender.
and this is where I'm coming from.  his defense here was a big key for us.  he's not at that level anymore as a defender.  he may have some offensive stats that look like his last season here (which was his worst season here) but he's not the defensive stalwart we truly need
He’s still going to be better defensively than the three Ts we have at center lol

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2021, 05:09:25 PM »

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There is ZERO chance that Danny Ainge is trading for Al Horford, much less trading Kemba for Al Horford. Forget it.

Yeah, why would they want to have two players that can help the team win, vs one who is just hurting the team game to game for essentially the same money. Makes no sense at all.

Don't get your blood up about it. I'm saying, no matter what you think, i think, etc.... in the real world, Danny Ainge is not going to re-acquire Al Horford. He's also not selling Kemba Walker out to OKC, regardless of who he gets back. Both are bad for business... period. He's not going to do either.
 

Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2021, 05:19:36 PM »

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Move Kemba(plus picks) for George Hill and AL Horford. Use the TPE (plus a pick) for Barnes or Thad Young. Problem solved.

Smart, Pritchard, Teague
Brown, Smart, Barnes/Thad Young
Tatum, Barnes/Thad Young, Semi, Smart
Theis, Timelord, G Williams
Horford, Thompson, Timelord

That’s a contender. Depth at every position, good shooters and defenders at every position. And it’s doable.
that's bad salary management and not good talent wise. 
- Horford is not the same player he was when he was here. 
- Where's Hill on your roster?  he'd be the player I start at PG.  he's not as good as Good Kemba but better than Smart as a starting PG. 
- What are you giving up to entice Sac to give up Barnes and torpedo the season they're having?  better chance of getting Hield (who plays no D)
- What are you giving up to get Thad?  Would love to get him but the question is what are you giving up?

I don't see the C's contending this year.  Loss of Hayward killed that and Kemba's weak play have made them a low-level playoff team.   Only serious option I think they have is getting players healthy to fully evaluate who's got a future and who's got to be removed this coming offseason.  I don't see a miracle coming with the TPE this season at the trade deadline.  maybe in the offseason someone good becomes disgruntled and Danny can get them for a reasonable price.   I'd really like to see Romeo get healthy so we can see what he can do.  other than that, fingers crossed GWill gets back to where he was last season and improves, Timelord learns how to play team D and box out for rebounds, Nesmith shows he can be relied on for limited minutes and be productive, Pritchard continues to show he's a solid player and improves, Green continues to improve his D and develop an outside shot and finally, Semi goes back to being as good as he was earlier this season when he was playing solid D and consistently providing some points off the bench.

If all these 'ifs' broke perfectly in Boston's favor for next year, C's would only reasonably need a bruiser 4/5 that could come in and provide post D and rebounding against the likes of Embiid, KAT and Jokic.  Almost anything less than that, C's will have some real holes to fill around Jayson and Jaylen.


I have no hope at this point for Edwards, Waters or Tacko.

Updated the depth chart. Smart or Hill starting seems like a wash one way or the other. Horford is having a good year. Easily as good as any he had with the C’s and he’s shooting 40+% from 3. He fit’s in with this team much better than Kemba and gives us a solid option to pair with Theis. Kemba does not fit in with this team and he’s shooting horribly. He’s hurting the team being on the court.

In terms of salary management any of the following are expendable: Teague, GWill, Greene, waters, Edwards, Tacko, either Thompson or Timelord. Kemba makes essentially the same amount of money as Hill and Horford combined. I’d be fine giving up a first for Barnes and If Sac wants more than that look at Thad Young. He’s an expiring contract and the Bulls are going nowhere. How expensive can he possibly be? Knicks just got D Rose for Dennis Smith JR who is playing in the G league and a second round pick.

Also, Hayward was never a good fit on this team. He never had chemistry with Brown and Tatum and always crumbled under high pressure situations. This wait around for guys to get right or young guys to develop is not working. You have two stars, now build around them with established players and try to win now.
have to disagree on Horford.  he's nowhere near what he was for us.  Barnes will cost more than a first rounder.  he's having a good year and is a prime reason Sac is having a good year.  They're .500 for the first time in years.  Trading Barnes requires them to punt on this year and that'll cost.

the 'expendable' list isn't enough to manage the cap.  except for TT, they're all low salary players.  you can't just cut the roster to the point of not having enough to satisfy the minimum roster requirements. 

Hayward's fit was fine when he was healthy.  if he was playing this season, he'd be that third scoring option and probably primary facilitator on offense that Kemba isn't being for us.

Nowhere near where he was with the C’s? Have you watched any of his games or looked at the numbers.

Horford’s final season on the C’s

Mins: 29, PPG 13.6, Reb 6.7, Ast 4.2, Stl .9, Blk 1.3, FT 82%, FG 53%, 3PT 36%

This year on OKC

Mins: 27, PPG 13.7, Reb 7.1, Ast 3, Stl .9, Blk 1, FT 80%, FG 44% 3PT 41.5%


Horford and Hill make essentially the same amount of money as Kemba does. Maybe a little more. So you throw in Carsen Edwards, Javonte Greene and the numbers are the same.
Yeah, he’s nowhere near where he was on the Cs. He’s gone from a DPOY candidate to a mediocre to below average defender.
and this is where I'm coming from.  his defense here was a big key for us.  he's not at that level anymore as a defender.  he may have some offensive stats that look like his last season here (which was his worst season here) but he's not the defensive stalwart we truly need

He’s still good defensively and is better than any of the Bigs the C’s have, not only defensively, but offensively and as a passer. But let’s discount all of that since he’s not a DPOY candidate anymore.  ::)
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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Re: Time to look under the hood
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2021, 05:33:41 PM »

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Definitely feels like it is going to be more of a challenge to land an impact player mid-season given the teams we are targeting are still in the playoff hunt. Agree with others that we need to land some consistent veterans now, even if its at the expense of some of the young guys and picks. Then maybe during the offseason when teams like the Kings are coming off a trashing (assuming they sneak in as an 8th seed), they will be more open to dealing. It will also be closer to the draft when teams seem to get more excited about picks. Could see a scenario where this team really needs until next season to have all of the pieces we will need to be a title contender. Until then, going to enjoy the J's and hope that Danny can work some magic.