Would you trade Nesmith for Bertans (TPE)

[Tr1boy]

Theis is a better player than RLopez in every way.

I don't get the height fetish some have on this site.

Not sure how you missed a beatdown job Embiid did on Theis this season.  Multiple occasions already

but will be a recipe to lose against the 76ers.   

Theis has little utility against teams like 76ers, Bucks and Heat. Because all their big players present matchup problems in different ways.

Lopez is not going to stop them either, but nobody is going to take Theis over Robin Lopez to try to contain Embiid

[Rikibellevie]

$16 million per year for five years, for a 28 year old guy shooting 34.3% overall,  33.1% 3PT%?  Who doesn’t rebound, pass or defend?  And we get to give up our starting center and lottery pick (along with over half the TPE) to take on that albatross contract?

Why? 

I wouldn’t take him for a second rounder.  I’d prefer Doug McDermott, who doesn’t pass, rebound or defend either.  At least his contract wouldn’t sabotage the Celts for half of a decade.

To be fair he just turned 28 and has a non garanty contract in his last year (when he will turn 31). We can still imagine to dumb his contract with seconds in 2 and half year if it turns bad. It is not the best use of TPE but still improve our bench and options. A deadly 3point shooter almost 7 footer would still be usefull and help spacing the game for our big 3. I trust Brad to hide him and motivate him to respect team defense schemes.
I don't know if it is a good idea but it is one of the probable as Washington is just of the 3 teams that allready don't play anything. Play in may reduce teams that want to tank wich was also one of the plan of the league I guess

[Tr1boy]

Theis is a better player than RLopez in every way.

I don't get the height fetish some have on this site.

99 percent of teams that win championships have length.

You can be small n scrappy all you want but eventually you run into a team that has height and maybe just as scrappy if not more.

Imo trying to win playing small ball is the equivalent of pulling your own tooth - sure you could do it but why not just go to the dentist.

Exactly.  So tired of Embiid just having his way downlow.   Leads to foul problems/bonus.   That messes up things.  Players panic

Rivers is not like that dummy Brett Brown.  He will go to Embiid repeatedly/matchup exposure.  Until leads to foul problems or double teams, leading to easier 3 pt shooting/cutting to the basket

[Roy H.]

$16 million per year for five years, for a 28 year old guy shooting 34.3% overall,  33.1% 3PT%?  Who doesn’t rebound, pass or defend?  And we get to give up our starting center and lottery pick (along with over half the TPE) to take on that albatross contract?

Why? 

I wouldn’t take him for a second rounder.  I’d prefer Doug McDermott, who doesn’t pass, rebound or defend either.  At least his contract wouldn’t sabotage the Celts for half of a decade.

To be fair he just turned 28 and has a non garanty contract in his last year (when he will turn 31). We can still imagine to dumb his contract with seconds in 2 and half year if it turns bad. It is not the best use of TPE but still improve our bench and options. A deadly 3point shooter almost 7 footer would still be usefull and help spacing the game for our big 3. I trust Brad to hide him and motivate him to respect team defense schemes.
I don't know if it is a good idea but it is one of the probable as Washington is just of the 3 teams that allready don't play anything. Play in may reduce teams that want to tank wich was also one of the plan of the league I guess

I believe the last year of his contract is a player option, and he turns 32 to that season.

[Tr1boy]

$16 million per year for five years, for a 28 year old guy shooting 34.3% overall,  33.1% 3PT%?  Who doesn’t rebound, pass or defend?  And we get to give up our starting center and lottery pick (along with over half the TPE) to take on that albatross contract?

Why? 

I wouldn’t take him for a second rounder.  I’d prefer Doug McDermott, who doesn’t pass, rebound or defend either.  At least his contract wouldn’t sabotage the Celts for half of a decade.

To be fair he just turned 28 and has a non garanty contract in his last year (when he will turn 31). We can still imagine to dumb his contract with seconds in 2 and half year if it turns bad. It is not the best use of TPE but still improve our bench and options. A deadly 3point shooter almost 7 footer would still be usefull and help spacing the game for our big 3. I trust Brad to hide him and motivate him to respect team defense schemes.
I don't know if it is a good idea but it is one of the probable as Washington is just of the 3 teams that allready don't play anything. Play in may reduce teams that want to tank wich was also one of the plan of the league I guess

I believe the last year of his contract is a player option, and he turns 32 to that season.

31 or 32 is still fine.  You make it sound like he will be 35

Bogdonovic is 31 turning 32. And he is still playing well

Maybe Bertans falls off the cliff. Entirely possible.  But it is hard to believe he will anytime soon, considering his age and that he has been one of the better 3 pt shooters in the last 3 years.  Just having a poor start.   Playing on the lowly Wizards doesn't help

[Rikibellevie]

$16 million per year for five years, for a 28 year old guy shooting 34.3% overall,  33.1% 3PT%?  Who doesn’t rebound, pass or defend?  And we get to give up our starting center and lottery pick (along with over half the TPE) to take on that albatross contract?

Why? 

I wouldn’t take him for a second rounder.  I’d prefer Doug McDermott, who doesn’t pass, rebound or defend either.  At least his contract wouldn’t sabotage the Celts for half of a decade.

To be fair he just turned 28 and has a non garanty contract in his last year (when he will turn 31). We can still imagine to dumb his contract with seconds in 2 and half year if it turns bad. It is not the best use of TPE but still improve our bench and options. A deadly 3point shooter almost 7 footer would still be usefull and help spacing the game for our big 3. I trust Brad to hide him and motivate him to respect team defense schemes.
I don't know if it is a good idea but it is one of the probable as Washington is just of the 3 teams that allready don't play anything. Play in may reduce teams that want to tank wich was also one of the plan of the league I guess

I believe the last year of his contract is a player option, and he turns 32 to that season.

5th year is only 5M garanted if he plays less than 3/4 of the 4th year season. So we can still dump him to a bad team after his 3rd year for a first or multiple second I guess... It is a bad contract but whatever we will finish with a bad contract, just has to not be a too bad one and not a too costly one. This may cost very few... And we had interest last year when he was more exposed and more expensive.
After there is still red flags : last year was a contract year and in PO he had catastrophic % and stats with Spurs. Who didn't keep him even if he had some Spurs identity. For me beetwin doing nothing and taking him I think I take him, but we may still wait to see if a better opportunity like Barnes, Gordon or something out of the charts (like Lowrie and Boucher ) will come

[Vermont Green]

So Danny said size that can shoot.  On paper, Bertans fits that bill, but I don't want that contract.  It is not even clear that he is truly a good shooter.  Which is the real Davis Bertans, is he a 40% 3-pt shooter or a 33%?  He had a career year last season but not so much this season.  I don't watch Wizards' games so I don't know what is going on with him this year but I think I would stay away from that contact.

And Robin Lopez, not sure he helps us that much.  Sure, maybe he is better than what we have now for certain match ups but I don't see the needle moving much if at all with him.  He would probably see what, 12-15 min per game for us?  He really isn't that good so in that regard, maybe he would fit in well with our current bigs.

[Rondo9]

Theis is a better player than RLopez in every way.

I don't get the height fetish some have on this site.

99 percent of teams that win championships have length.

You can be small n scrappy all you want but eventually you run into a team that has height and maybe just as scrappy if not more.

Imo trying to win playing small ball is the equivalent of pulling your own tooth - sure you could do it but why not just go to the dentist.

Exactly.  So tired of Embiid just having his way downlow.   Leads to foul problems/bonus.   That messes up things.  Players panic

Rivers is not like that dummy Brett Brown.  He will go to Embiid repeatedly/matchup exposure.  Until leads to foul problems or double teams, leading to easier 3 pt shooting/cutting to the basket

But Embiid will dominate any center. There's a reason why he's a top three center in the NBA, having an inferior player will just make things worse as you'll give up Theis' other attributes.

[Birdman]

Nesmith just starting out and hate give him up this early for Bertans

[gouki88]

I want absolutely no part of Bertans. He’s had literally one good year in his whole career, and as a result was given a ridiculous contract. He’s been mediocre again this year.

[GreenWarrior]

Yeah all set with bertans. Last yr. was the yr. to acquire him. Besides I hate having bigs who  stand on the 3 pt line... Don't care what the fad is these days. Plus when we had bigs that could shoot we said we wanted them to open the driving lanes and we still stayed on the perimeter and kept chucking - all set.

Buddy Heild is the guy we should target.

[slamtheking]

Theis is a better player than RLopez in every way.

I don't get the height fetish some have on this site.

could be they've spent their lives being told "size matters".  make of that what you will. 

[hwangjini_1]

$16 million per year for five years, for a 28 year old guy shooting 34.3% overall,  33.1% 3PT%?  Who doesn’t rebound, pass or defend?  And we get to give up our starting center and lottery pick (along with over half the TPE) to take on that albatross contract?

Why? 

I wouldn’t take him for a second rounder.  I’d prefer Doug McDermott, who doesn’t pass, rebound or defend either.  At least his contract wouldn’t sabotage the Celts for half of a decade.

To be fair he just turned 28 and has a non garanty contract in his last year (when he will turn 31). We can still imagine to dumb his contract with seconds in 2 and half year if it turns bad. It is not the best use of TPE but still improve our bench and options. A deadly 3point shooter almost 7 footer would still be usefull and help spacing the game for our big 3. I trust Brad to hide him and motivate him to respect team defense schemes.
I don't know if it is a good idea but it is one of the probable as Washington is just of the 3 teams that allready don't play anything. Play in may reduce teams that want to tank wich was also one of the plan of the league I guess

I believe the last year of his contract is a player option, and he turns 32 to that season.

31 or 32 is still fine.  You make it sound like he will be 35

Bogdonovic is 31 turning 32. And he is still playing well

Maybe Bertans falls off the cliff. Entirely possible.  But it is hard to believe he will anytime soon, considering his age and that he has been one of the better 3 pt shooters in the last 3 years.  Just having a poor start.   Playing on the lowly Wizards doesn't help

what worries me as much as this is bertans contact.

Washington Wizards
$13,793,103   $14,896,552   $16,000,000   $17,103,448   $18,206,897

that may be that is a lot of money for a long time for someone who is a poor defender and a big who is a bad rebounder.... 2.8/ game last season and for his career.

[G-Bones]

Nope.  No need to trade a potential solid starter for a limited rile player.  Remember Chauncey Billips?!?!?  No need to repeat that blunder.

[gouki88]

Theis is a better player than RLopez in every way.

I don't get the height fetish some have on this site.

could be they've spent their lives being told "size matters".  make of that what you will. 

Hahahaha. TP