Would you trade Nesmith for Bertans (TPE)

[Tr1boy]

So a trade would look like

To Wizards:  Nesmith,  Theis
To Celtics:  Robin Lopez

To Wizards:  2nd round pick
To Celtics:  Bertans

Bertans is struggling so far this season. But is still considered one of the top 3 pt shooters in the league.  Came 3rd in the 3 pt shooting contest last year.   See highlight of his 3 pt shooting (especially 2nd one, around the screen).   Imagine, Jays having the option to feed the 6'10 Latvian laser at any point.   And with his presence, opening up more room for the Jays and Walker to operate

Bertans- 3 threes in one minute of the game Phila vs Washington
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbH4QtX3eI

[Rondo9]

The question should be: Would the Wizards do it? They would probably say no.

[Moranis]

Wizards wanted 2 1st's last year before they re-signed him, I suspect the price is at least if not more and if I'm giving up Nesmith and at least 1 future 1st, I don't think Bertans would be the main target.  I'd much rather have Barnes.  And I have no idea why we need Robin Lopez or Theis.  Just do Nesmith for Bertans and leave it at that.

[Roy H.]

Nope.  His contract exceeds his production.  I’d rather have Theis and Nesmith.

He’s what, 10-for-38 on 3PTs in his last five games?  He doesn’t seem to be improving.

[Tr1boy]

Wizards wanted 2 1st's last year before they re-signed him, I suspect the price is at least if not more and if I'm giving up Nesmith and at least 1 future 1st, I don't think Bertans would be the main target.  I'd much rather have Barnes.  And I have no idea why we need Robin Lopez or Theis.  Just do Nesmith for Bertans and leave it at that.

I rather have Lopez for the purpose to battle Embiid/Howard.  His brother Brook

And if Celts make the finals,  make things harder for AD/Harrell. 

[Tr1boy]

Wizards wanted 2 1st's last year before they re-signed him, I suspect the price is at least if not more and if I'm giving up Nesmith and at least 1 future 1st, I don't think Bertans would be the main target.  I'd much rather have Barnes.  And I have no idea why we need Robin Lopez or Theis.  Just do Nesmith for Bertans and leave it at that.

That was last season when he was playing well. 

Wizards are going to clean house by the trade deadline.   Maybe Nesmith and a 2nd can do the trick

Celts need a legit sharpshooter to battle against the likes of Seth Curry, Danny Green and Duncan Robinson etc

[Rikibellevie]

I proposed him also as I think at this stage Bertans have basically negative value on a big contract for a 28 YO bench player. If Washington realise they go nowhere and esp if they have to trade Beal, they may dump his contract for very few to nothing. So I wouldn't at all give Naysmith for him; but maybe our first pick 2021 and a salary filler like Green would be OK. He's liability in defense is still an interrogation. 
A trade (with many limits) I would maybe involve Naysmith or Roméo if Toronto see one of both high, would be something like Lowrie and Boucher for Nesmith or Roméo (depends if Ujri see potential in one of them)/Grant/Theis and one or maybe 2 our future first. It gives a base to rebuild their paint (Theis/Grant) a good potential 2 and one or two late first (where they do excellent choices) for expiring Lowrie and a very good 6th men but who is 28 and may be overachieving a little. Don't say Ujri would do it; but who knows... A core of Kemba/Lowrie (PP)-Smart/Lowrie-Brown/Tatum (Roméo)-Tatum/Boucher-TT/RWill wouldn't be a real nightmare for opponents with a mix of talent, BBIQ, versatility and defense like no other team ? We loose a little potential for future, but as we progress in the charts more vet min or friendchid ringchaser contracts will come.

[Rikibellevie]

Sorry I wanted to modify

[Tr1boy]

I proposed him also as I think at this stage Bertans have basically negative value on a big contract for a 28 YO bench player. If Washington realise they go nowhere and esp if they have to trade Beal, they may dump his contract for very few to nothing. So I wouldn't at all give Naysmith for him; but maybe our first pick 2021 and a salary filler like Green would be OK. He's liability in defense is still an interrogation. 
A trade (with many limits) I would maybe involve Naysmith or Roméo if Toronto see one of both high, would be something like Lowrie and Boucher for Nesmith or Roméo (depends if Ujri see potential in one of them)/Grant/Theis and one or maybe 2 our future first. It gives a base to rebuild their paint (Theis/Grant) a good potential 2 and one or two late first for expiring Lowrie and a very good 6th men but who is 28 and may be overachieving a little. Don't say Ujri would do it; but who knows... A core of Kemba/Lowrie (PP)-Smart/Lowrie-Brown/Tatum (Roméo)-Tatum/Boucher-TT/RWill wouldn't be a real nightmare for opponents with a mix of talent, BBIQ, versatility and defense like no other team ? We loose a little potential for future, but as we progress in the charts more vet min or friendchid ringchaser contracts will come.

Most 3 pt sharpshooters in the league today are not the best defenders.  Duncan Robinson, Seth Curry, JJ Redick etc are mediocre defenders

Celts wont trade for Bertans for his defensive speciality (though 6'10 height and good mobility can help). But his ability to shoot threes. Especially utilizing his height (not many 6'10 shooters in the league) and run around screens, c&s in one motion, 3 ft beyond the 3 pt line range

[Rikibellevie]

I proposed him also as I think at this stage Bertans have basically negative value on a big contract for a 28 YO bench player. If Washington realise they go nowhere and esp if they have to trade Beal, they may dump his contract for very few to nothing. So I wouldn't at all give Naysmith for him; but maybe our first pick 2021 and a salary filler like Green would be OK. He's liability in defense is still an interrogation. 
A trade (with many limits) I would maybe involve Naysmith or Roméo if Toronto see one of both high, would be something like Lowrie and Boucher for Nesmith or Roméo (depends if Ujri see potential in one of them)/Grant/Theis and one or maybe 2 our future first. It gives a base to rebuild their paint (Theis/Grant) a good potential 2 and one or two late first for expiring Lowrie and a very good 6th men but who is 28 and may be overachieving a little. Don't say Ujri would do it; but who knows... A core of Kemba/Lowrie (PP)-Smart/Lowrie-Brown/Tatum (Roméo)-Tatum/Boucher-TT/RWill wouldn't be a real nightmare for opponents with a mix of talent, BBIQ, versatility and defense like no other team ? We loose a little potential for future, but as we progress in the charts more vet min or friendchid ringchaser contracts will come.

Most 3 pt sharpshooters in the league today are not the best defenders.  Duncan Robinson, Seth Curry, JJ Redick etc are mediocre defenders

Celts wont trade Bertans for his defensive speciality (though 6'10 height and good mobility can help). But his ability to shoot threes. Especially utilizing his height (not many 6'10 shooters in the league) and run around screens, c&s in one motion, 3 ft beyond the 3 pt line range

He could be an OK solution for very cheap (again I mentioned him in a trade post 2 weeks ago), but Danny talk clearly about a profile and he hasn 't one third of the description, but I guess the most important one (defense). And his contract is baddest than Barnes one. But it is true it is a more probable trade than Barnes, as Sacto will probably do everything to catch the playin, even if they probably will fail or loose in the 9-10 match...

[nickagneta]

Theis is a better player than RLopez in every way.

I don't get the height fetish some have on this site.

[Roy H.]

$16 million per year for five years, for a 28 year old guy shooting 34.3% overall,  33.1% 3PT%?  Who doesn’t rebound, pass or defend?  And we get to give up our starting center and lottery pick (along with over half the TPE) to take on that albatross contract?

Why? 

I wouldn’t take him for a second rounder.  I’d prefer Doug McDermott, who doesn’t pass, rebound or defend either.  At least his contract wouldn’t sabotage the Celts for half of a decade.

[Tr1boy]

$16 million per year for five years, for a 28 year old guy shooting 34.3% overall,  33.1% 3PT%?  Who doesn’t rebound, pass or defend?  And we get to give up our starting center and lottery pick (along with over half the TPE) to take on that albatross contract?

Why? 

I wouldn’t take him for a second rounder.  I’d prefer Doug McDermott, who doesn’t pass, rebound or defend either.  At least his contract wouldn’t sabotage the Celts for half of a decade.

I almost jumped a little when you listed him as 38.   

yeah he is 28

McDermott is not a shapshooter.  If anything his specialty is running around screens and layups off the backboard.

McDermott shoots the 3 as good as Gordon Hayward. He can make it and is not bad..... but don't you want more?

A player that can light up 3 threes in a matter of a minute

9 point leads suddenly evaporate.   Close games suddenly become 9 pt leads etc

It just makes everyones life easier

Btw I'm not sure why his contract is a bad thing.  If Danny traded for him last season, he would have done the same him.    Guys like Bertans who can shoot and are taller players usually have longer mileage in the league.  Bertans,  Bodonovic (Jazz) ,  Channing Frye  etc

[GreenWarrior]

Theis is a better player than RLopez in every way.

I don't get the height fetish some have on this site.

99 percent of teams that win championships have length.

You can be small n scrappy all you want but eventually you run into a team that has height and maybe just as scrappy if not more.

Imo trying to win playing small ball is the equivalent of pulling your own tooth - sure you could do it but why not just go to the dentist.

[GreenWarrior]

Wizards wanted 2 1st's last year before they re-signed him, I suspect the price is at least if not more and if I'm giving up Nesmith and at least 1 future 1st, I don't think Bertans would be the main target.  I'd much rather have Barnes.  And I have no idea why we need Robin Lopez or Theis.  Just do Nesmith for Bertans and leave it at that.

Yeah god forbid we give up a draft pick...