Kemba and Picks for Ball and Pieces

[GreenlyGreeny]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

Best-case: He develops into an all-star. Worst-case: We have a defensive replacement for Smart if he opts to not re-sign. Maybe Pritchard becomes the all-star in that scenario.

[gouki88]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Yeah, he's not the playmaker he was billed to be pre-draft. He's similar to Simmons - great passer in transition but struggles in the half-court. He's also very turnover prone.

Yikes, why the hell would we give up picks in this?

To dump Kemba and secure the services of a 23 year-old pass-first defensive PG who might be a great fit with Stevens and Co. Kemba might never recover so we need to offset that risk with 1-2 picks. Considering we have the Jays locked up in 2023, very confident neither pick will be in the lottery, so they’re not that valuable (for every Pritchard, there’s how many James Young’s and Dancing Bears?)

Why the need to dump Kemba? Because he had one bad game? There is nothing to indicate Ball would be a great fit here

[gouki88]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

If you're relying on highlights videos to make an argument about whether or not a guy is a good passer you're fighting a very very uphill battle

[GreenlyGreeny]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

If you're relying on highlights videos to make an argument about whether or not a guy is a good passer you're fighting a very very uphill battle

The eyes don’t lie. We have not seen highlight reel passes like those since the days of playoff Rondo. Forty years ago, Ball would be in his rookie campaign or second year. He’s only 23. With a couple more years of development in a winning program, which he’s never had, he could still reach the potential that made him the second overall pick ahead of Tatum.

[gouki88]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

If you're relying on highlights videos to make an argument about whether or not a guy is a good passer you're fighting a very very uphill battle

The eyes don’t lie. We have not seen highlight reel passes like those since the days of playoff Rondo. Forty years ago, Ball would be in his rookie campaign or second year. He’s only 23. With a couple more years of development in a winning program, which he’s never had, he could still reach the potential that made him the second overall pick ahead of Tatum.

You're living in the past. He's never shown any ability to improve for more than one season

[RJ87]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

If you're relying on highlights videos to make an argument about whether or not a guy is a good passer you're fighting a very very uphill battle

The eyes don’t lie. We have not seen highlight reel passes like those since the days of playoff Rondo. Forty years ago, Ball would be in his rookie campaign or second year. He’s only 23. With a couple more years of development in a winning program, which he’s never had, he could still reach the potential that made him the second overall pick ahead of Tatum.

LOL.

Luka Doncic, Chris Paul, James Harden, Nikola Jokic would like to have a word. And that's just off the top of my head without looking into it.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

If you're relying on highlights videos to make an argument about whether or not a guy is a good passer you're fighting a very very uphill battle

The eyes don’t lie. We have not seen highlight reel passes like those since the days of playoff Rondo. Forty years ago, Ball would be in his rookie campaign or second year. He’s only 23. With a couple more years of development in a winning program, which he’s never had, he could still reach the potential that made him the second overall pick ahead of Tatum.

You're living in the past. He's never shown any ability to improve for more than one season

He’s never played with a winning program. He stepped into the post-Kobe debacle, and then got moved into the post-AD frying pan. And in the west, no less. I still think he can become an all-star with the right fit and a large market.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

If you're relying on highlights videos to make an argument about whether or not a guy is a good passer you're fighting a very very uphill battle

The eyes don’t lie. We have not seen highlight reel passes like those since the days of playoff Rondo. Forty years ago, Ball would be in his rookie campaign or second year. He’s only 23. With a couple more years of development in a winning program, which he’s never had, he could still reach the potential that made him the second overall pick ahead of Tatum.

LOL.

Luka Doncic, Chris Paul, James Harden, Nikola Jokic would like to have a word. And that's just off the top of my head without looking into it.

Apologies: I meant we as in the Celtics. Obviously those guys are better passers.

[gouki88]

Ball fits like a glove next to brown and tatum. I like him

He really doesn't though. Can't shoot consistently and can't play off ball at all. A genuine 3 & D guy at the point is probably best moving forward.

He's also only a good passer on the break

Exactly. His half court game leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a floor general/maestro like Rondo was back in the day. I think people here have a view of him that isn't really in line with the player he currently is.

Looks pretty good in the highlight reels for a 22-23 year old who’s not yet reached his prime (they can’t all develop as quickly as the Jays). Would definitely be our best passer since playoff Rondo, and even better than Rondo on the break:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9GRRds0hI

If you're relying on highlights videos to make an argument about whether or not a guy is a good passer you're fighting a very very uphill battle

The eyes don’t lie. We have not seen highlight reel passes like those since the days of playoff Rondo. Forty years ago, Ball would be in his rookie campaign or second year. He’s only 23. With a couple more years of development in a winning program, which he’s never had, he could still reach the potential that made him the second overall pick ahead of Tatum.

You're living in the past. He's never shown any ability to improve for more than one season

He’s never played with a winning program. He stepped into the post-Kobe debacle, and then got moved into the post-AD frying pan. And in the west, no less. I still think he can become an all-star with the right fit and a large market.

A winning program won't suddenly give him the ability to actually get good at the game of basketball. He can't shoot nor really score at all, is an overrated passer, and his defence has gotten worse again this year. He's nowhere near worth this, especially with Redick being garbage this year too.

[liam]

Ball is a bench guy. You don't give up Kemba for him. If NO isn't going to resign Ball he should be had for a 1st round pick. He'd be better that Teague right now.

[colincb]

After this trade we will down from four reliable scorers last season to two. Who will pick up the slack?

[Androslav]

Kemba might not have his peak value ATM, but he is an AS player and currently undervalued by a lot of C's fans.
Ball is a good target to pursue at a low price, but Kembas value alone is more than enough.
Reddick might be a late 1st though.

[Moranis]

I'd possibly move Walker even to New Orleans, but I think you have to at least get Bledsoe back as he would at least be an adequate fill in for Walker.  But if you get Bledsoe then you can't get Ball so I'd consider something like Walker, Edwards, Green for Bledsoe, Redick, Hayes.  Gives Boston another potential young talented big guy and a lesser offensive though better defensive PG to fill in for Walker in the short term.

[NKY fan]

Kemba might not have his peak value ATM, but he is an AS player and currently undervalued by a lot of C's fans.
Ball is a good target to pursue at a low price, but Kembas value alone is more than enough.
Reddick might be a late 1st though.

It’s only been 7 games so far this season but Kembas shooting splits are horrible. Barely in the 30%s

[Vermont Green]

I am not opposed to trading Kemba Walker but I don't like this deal.  I apparently see a lot more value in Kemba and a lot less value in Reddick and Ball than some others.  I am not the least bit interested in either.  I am worried about Kemba's knee but I far prefer to take my chances with him then bring in these players.