2021 Historical Draft: How Does My Team Look?

[Who]

The only thing that bothered me about Greer was his lack of his size as a SG in today's league. He is Avery Bradley's size.

Otherwise, he would be a clear starter in this Historical League. He was an awesome player. Clearly superior to Guerin - who I also like. Good pick. I completely overlooked him.

Even with the height disadvantage, I still have Greer as one of the best backup SGs on the board.

[Moranis]

The Raptors are done.  3 deep at every position.  Love the versatility and roster permeations available.

PG - Tiny Archibald 73, Don Buse 77, Terrell Brandon 96
SG - Chet Walker 67, Michael Cooper 87, Raja Bell 06
SF - Predrag Stojakovic 04, Kiki Vandeweghe 87, Robert Covington 18
PF - Karl Malone 97, Spencer Haywood 73, David West 08
C - Ben Wallace 04, George Mikan 50, Al Jefferson 08

[GreenFaith1819]

How's my team? Indiana Pacers?

Will come back later today with the years but so far here's my roster:

C- Marc Gasol (16-17)/ Jeff Ruland(83-84) / Theo Ratliff(00-01)

PF - Dan Roundfield (79-80) / Paul Milsap(14-15) / Dino Radja(95-96)

SF - Thunder Dan Marjerle(92-93) / Rashard Lewis(08-09) / Jalen Rose(99-00)

SG - Reggie Lewis(91-92) / World B. Free(79-78) / Dell Curry(93-94)

PG - Steve Nash(05-06) / Fat Lever(87-88) / Tony Allen(12-13)

[Darth_Yoda]

The Spurs are complete.

pg:   Kyle Lowry   2016-2017       22.5ppg, 5rpg, 7apg, 1.5spg 41% from 3, All Star    
sg:   Reggie Miller   1995-1996       21 ppg, 3rpg, 3.5apg, 1spg, 41% from 3, All NBA 3rd, All star   
sf:   George Gervin   1979-1980       33ppg, 5rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.5spg, 1bpg, 32% from 3, All NBA 1st, 2nd in MVP, leading scorer, All star
pf:   Connie Hawkins   1969-1970       24.5ppg, 10.5 rpg, 5apg, 2spg, 1.5bpg, All NBA 1st, 2nd in MVP, All Star
c:   Clint Capela   2018-2019       16.5ppg, 12.5rpg, 1.5apg, 0.7spg, 1.5bpg, .650 FG


Bench:

pg:  Mookie Blaylock   1996-1997        17.5ppg, 5.5rpg, 6apg, 2.7spg, 36.5% from 3, NBA all defense 2nd
sg:  Jeff Hornacek   1991-1992        20ppg, 5rpg, 5apg, 2spg, 44% from 3, All Star
sf:   George McGinnis   1975-1976        23ppg, 12.5rpg, 4.5apg, 2.5spg, All NBA 1st, All Star
pf:  Serge Ibaka           2013-2014        15ppg, 9rpg, 1apg, 2.7bpg, 37.5% from 3, All NBA defense 1st
c:   Bill Laimbeer   1989-1990        12ppg, 9.5rpg, 2apg, 0.7spg, 1bpg, 36% from 3,

Deeper Bench

pg: Mark Jackson   1996-1997        10ppg, 5rpg, 11.5apg, 1.2spg, 37% from 3,
sg: Nick Anderson    1994-1995        16ppg, 4.5rpg, 4apg, 1.5spg, 41.5% form 3
sf:  Kyle Korver           2014-2015        12ppg, 4rpg, 3apg, 0.7spg, 49.5% from 3
pf:  Josh Smith           2009-2010        15.5ppg, 8.5rpg, 4apg, 1.5spg, 2bpg, All NBA defense 2nd
c:   Jusuf Nurkic           2018-2019        15.5ppg, 10.5rpg, 3apg, 1spg, 1.5bpg



I really like my team's construction. Ideally there is never a "set" lineup and instead the team will play much like how Detroit Pistons (bad boy era) played, meaning that outside of a couple of players the lineup would be fluid based upon the opponent that day.

I have the ability to trot out an all defensive lineup, a 3pt shooting lineup, a pace and space lineup, and 7 seconds or less lineup, a small ball lineup, an ABA style lineup and even a traditional NBA lineup.

I would like to hear some other posters opinions on my team construction though.

[Moranis]

I was going between Jefferson and Radja for my last pick, ultimately chose the healthier guy with the better career (and better numbers in any given year).  I just had to have a Celtic on the roster (even if I'm not using Al's years in Boston).

[nickagneta]

Phoenix Suns

Tony Parker/Norm Van Lier/Steve Kerr

Clyde Drexler/Devin Booker/J.J. Redick

Danny Granger/Hedo Turkoglu/Tayshaun Prince

Giannis Antetokounmpo/Anthony Mason/Bob Love

DeAndre Jordan/Carlos Boozer/Troy Murphy

Player. Year Used.  PTS/AST/REB   FG%/3PT%/FT%/TS%  ACCOLADES

STARTERS
Tony Parker.  2006-07.  18.6/5.5/3.2.  52/39.5/78.3/57.2.  All-Star.  Finals MVP.

Clyde Drexler.  1991-02.  25/6.7/6.6.  47/33.7/79.4/56.   All-Star.  All-NBA 1st Team. 2nd in MVP balloting.

Danny Granger.  2008-09.   25.8/2.7/5.1.   44.7/40.4/87.8/58.4.   All-Star.  MIP

Giannis Antetokounmpo.   2019-20.  29.5/5.6/13.6.   55.3/30.4/63.3/61.3.   All-Star.   All-NBA 1st Team.   All-Defense 1st Team.   MVP.   DPOY.

DeAndre Jordan.   2015-16.   12.7/1.2/13.8.   70.3/0/43/62.8.   All-NBA 1st Team.   All-Defense 1st Team

ROTATION BENCH
Devin Booker.   2019-20.   26.6/6.5/4.2.   48.9/35.4/91.8/61.8.  All-Star

Hedo Turkoglu.   2007-08.   19.5/5/5.7.    45.6/40/82.9/57.8.   MIP

Anthony Mason.   1996-97.   16.2/5.7/11.4.   52.5/33.3/74.5/58.5.  All-NBA 3rd Team.   All-Defense 2nd Team

J.J. Redick.   2015-16.   16.3/1.4/1.9.   48/47.5/88.8/63.2

Carlos Boozer.   2007-08.   21.1/2.9/10.4.   54.7/0/73.8/58.1.   All-Star.  All-NBA 3rd Team

Norm Van Lier.   1973-74.   14.3/6.9/4.7.   40.6/--/77.8/47.   All-Star.   All-NBA 2nd Team.   All-Defense 1st Team

DEEP BENCH
Tayshaun Prince.   2006-07.  14.3/2.8/5.7.   46/38.6/76.8/53.4.   All-Defense 2nd Team 

Bob Love.   1971-72.   25.2/2.3/8.5.   44.2/--/78.4/49.   All-Star.   All-NBA 2nd Team.   All-Defense 2nd Team

Steve Kerr.   1995-96.   8.4/2.3/1.3.   50.6/51.5/92.9/66.3

Troy Murphy.   2008-09.   14.3/2.4/11.8.   47.5/45/82.6/61.4

MOST USED 5 MAN SETS

Parker/Drexler/Granger/Giannis/Jordan
Redick/Booker/Drexler/Turkoglu/Giannis
Parker/Drexler/Granger/Mason/Boozer
Reddick/Booker/Turkoglu/Giannis/Boozer
Booker/Drexler/Granger/Giannis/Jordan
Van Lier/Booker/Drexler/Giannis/ Boozer

[GreenFaith1819]

I was going between Jefferson and Radja for my last pick, ultimately chose the healthier guy with the better career (and better numbers in any given year).  I just had to have a Celtic on the roster (even if I'm not using Al's years in Boston).

Nothing wrong with that.

Loved Al.

For Dino he's getting spot minutes, anyway - with my first two lineups getting the bulk of the minutes and my third tier getting situational minutes for the most part.

I may switch Jalen - do to his versatility - but for the most part my first two tiers are getting the major minutes.

[Jvalin]

I can't decide which version of DJ to choose. What do you guys think?

• Seattle
• Phoenix
• Boston

Btw, here's the 15-man roster of the Milwaukee Bucks (barring trades). I've decided to embrace the modern format of 4 positions instead of 5.

Ball handlers: Dennis Johnson / Donovan Mitchell / Derek Harper / Goran Dragic
Wings: Kawhi Leonard / Khris Middleton / Michael Finley / Brent Barry
Swings: Pascal Siakam / Toni Kukoc / Cedric Maxwell / Tobias Harris
Bigs: Nikola Jokic / Nikola Vucevic / Boban Marjanovic

(starters are in bold)

[Darth_Yoda]

I can't decide which version of DJ to choose. What do you guys think?

• Seattle
• Phoenix
• Boston

Btw, here's the 15-man roster of the Milwaukee Bucks (barring trades). I've decided to embrace the modern format of 4 positions instead of 5.

Ball handlers: Dennis Johnson / Donovan Mitchell / Derek Harper / Goran Dragic
Wings: Kawhi Leonard / Khris Middleton / Michael Finley / Brent Barry
Swings: Pascal Siakam / Toni Kukoc / Cedric Maxwell / Tobias Harris
Bigs: Nikola Jokic / Nikola Vucevic / Boban Marjanovic

(starters are in bold)

For me, Seattle, 1978-79. All NBA defense 1st team and finals mvp. 5th in MVP voting

[RPGenerate]

Guess I'll post my complete team too, with the years included as well:

PG: Tim Hardaway Sr. (1990-91) / Jrue Holiday (2018-19) / Sam Cassell (2003-04)
SG: Joe Dumars (1992-93) / Danny Ainge (1988-89) / Šarūnas Marčiulionis (1991-92)
SF: Alex English (1982-83) / Jamaal Wilkes (1980-81) / Bruce Bowen (2004-05)
PF: Cliff Robinson (1995-96) / Maurice Lucas (1976-77) / Robert Horry (1995-1996)
C: Moses Malone (1982-83) / Mehmet Okur (2005-06) / Truck Robinson (1977-78)

If anyone has any advice on lineup changes, year changes, ect, I'd appreciate it.

[Roy H.]

Guess I'll post my complete team too, with the years included as well:

PG: Tim Hardaway Sr. (1990-91) / Jrue Holiday (2018-19) / Sam Cassell (2003-04)
SG: Joe Dumars (1992-93) / Danny Ainge (1988-89) / Šarūnas Marčiulionis (1991-92)
SF: Alex English (1982-83) / Jamaal Wilkes (1980-81) / Bruce Bowen (2004-05)
PF: Cliff Robinson (1995-96) / Maurice Lucas (1976-77) / Robert Horry (1995-1996)
C: Moses Malone (1982-83) / Mehmet Okur (2005-06) / Truck Robinson (1977-78)

If anyone has any advice on lineup changes, year changes, ect, I'd appreciate it.

Why ‘89 for Danny?  ‘88 was a better year for him I think.

[Somebody]

Houston Rockets roster after 13 rounds:

PG: Terry Porter, Gus Williams
SG: Jimmy Butler, Richie Guerin, Hal Greer
SF: Bob Dandridge, Cliff Hagan, Richard Jefferson
PF: Draymond Green, Larry Kenon
C: Rudy Gobert, Domantas Sabonis, Neil Johnston

Richie Guerin was a great get for you. Dude could score. Is a great addition to your 2nd unit.

Yeah I missed out on him while I was scouting before the draft and I couldn't believe how modern his game looked: he was doing hesitations and advanced guard moves that wouldn't look out of place today. He was also a spectacular passer (his passing really stood out to me, he was slinging high leverage passes like one of the passing greats out there) besides pressuring defences with his scoring.

Better than Hal Greer?  I noticed you bumped Greer down in your depth chart.

From what I've seen yeah I do feel that he was "better" than Greer (in the sense of being a lead guard who runs an offence, their peaks are probably very close in all likelihood). The stuff Guerin did on offence when he was given primacy just feels easily translatable save his set shot (but that had really long range lol), and it honestly reminds me of what modern offensive engines would do.

Full game:
https://youtu.be/1NLXtYn3MrQ
Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mDUjyubSAo

[Somebody]

Houston Rockets roster after 13 rounds:

PG: Terry Porter, Gus Williams
SG: Jimmy Butler, Richie Guerin, Hal Greer
SF: Bob Dandridge, Cliff Hagan, Richard Jefferson
PF: Draymond Green, Larry Kenon
C: Rudy Gobert, Domantas Sabonis, Neil Johnston

Richie Guerin was a great get for you. Dude could score. Is a great addition to your 2nd unit.

Yeah I missed out on him while I was scouting before the draft and I couldn't believe how modern his game looked: he was doing hesitations and advanced guard moves that wouldn't look out of place today. He was also a spectacular passer (his passing really stood out to me, he was slinging high leverage passes like one of the passing greats out there) besides pressuring defences with his scoring.

Better than Hal Greer?  I noticed you bumped Greer down in your depth chart.

I personally think Greer was the better player.  Guerin always struck me like a stat stuffer on a bad team (those Knicks teams were terrible).  Once Guerin went to St. Louis and was moved way down the depth chart, he took a huge fall statistically.  Greer was a great player and I just don't think you could say the same about Guerin.  I mean Greer was the 2nd best player on one of the 5 greatest seasons in league history.  And even after Wilt left, Greer at 32 was the anchor of a 55 win Sixers team (that was still a playoff team for several years thereafter as Greer aged)

Those teams just weren't that great imo. Obviously you'd expect a transcendent player to drag terrible teams to mediocrity, but neither Guerin or Greer were on that level. What Guerin did was be a key cog of some elite Knick offences in '58 and '59 with talented teammates around him when he was younger and lead a strong-ish offence when he was the offensive engine of a decent supporting cast in '60. His inability to carry poor supporting casts in the next few years definitely puts him out of the conversation for being a great floor raiser, but the totality of his work in those few years plus his metrics (box and non-box metrics like him quite a bit so I doubt his stats were empty) and game from the eye test have me liking him a lot.

Greer obviously did massive damage as a 2nd/3rd option on those Wilt-led 76er teams and had impressive results co-captaining the offence with Cunningham after that, but I'm not that impressed with him from the film - his game was more geared towards being an on/off ball hybrid guard (which is great, don't get me wrong) when I want a bit more firepower in my second unit to make up for its lack of truly elite defence. Probably will alternate them based on the matchup tbh, there will be a lot of staggering going on in my backcourt due to how even the talent is spread.

[Somebody]

Houston Rockets roster after 13 rounds:

PG: Terry Porter, Gus Williams
SG: Jimmy Butler, Richie Guerin, Hal Greer
SF: Bob Dandridge, Cliff Hagan, Richard Jefferson
PF: Draymond Green, Larry Kenon
C: Rudy Gobert, Domantas Sabonis, Neil Johnston

Richie Guerin was a great get for you. Dude could score. Is a great addition to your 2nd unit.

Yeah I missed out on him while I was scouting before the draft and I couldn't believe how modern his game looked: he was doing hesitations and advanced guard moves that wouldn't look out of place today. He was also a spectacular passer (his passing really stood out to me, he was slinging high leverage passes like one of the passing greats out there) besides pressuring defences with his scoring.

Better than Hal Greer?  I noticed you bumped Greer down in your depth chart.

Hal Greer is probably the best SG on that roster. Yes, better than Jimmy Butler.

Strongly disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion lol. If Butler was a Celtic and pulled off a 2020 Heat with us you'd probably be anointing his 2020 campaign as the best non-Bird wing season in Celtic history

[Somebody]

Houston Rockets

PG: '91-'92 Terry Porter / '79-'80 Gus Williams / '73-'74 Calvin Murphy
SG: '19-'20 Jimmy Butler / '59-'60 Richie Guerin / '67-'68 Hal Greer
SF: '78-'79 Bob Dandridge / '57-'58 Cliff Hagan / '07-'08 Richard Jefferson
PF: '15-'16 Draymond Green / '78-'79 Larry Kenon / '79-'80 Lonnie Shelton
C: 18-'19 Rudy Gobert / '19-'20 Domantas Sabonis / '54-'55 Neil Johnston

Backcourt will be rotated frequently based on the matchup: Porter and Gus will share starting point duties (Porter will start against teams with smaller PGs) while Guerin and Greer will alternate the backup SG spot (I like Greer against drop/zone defences with his strong pullup shooting while I prefer Guerin against more mobile, switchy defences that require dribble penetration and passing to break down). Will have Sabonis playing backup PF if opposing teams go big and Kenon struggles to defend them.