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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #270 on: November 27, 2020, 03:43:46 PM »

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One thing I thought of is if we got a TPE to NOT use it this season, and wait until next offseason just before it expires when we are not hard capped by the tax apron.   If Hayward can sign a contract where it decreases every year so we get the maximum TPE we can get even better.  Say for example the TPE is 34.502 mil we could just sneak in Beal in a trade next year. Lol

It just may open more doors to trade for a max or near max level player by waiting it out after the season.  I would offer a Jrue Holiday like trade 3 first round picks and 2 pick swaps for this type of player as I expect us to be very good over the next several years.
The most the TPE can be is a little more than $32 million and that's only if Hayward takes a declining salary every year, which is rather unusual.

The more likely outcomes are he gets an even $30 million a year every year making the TPE $30 million or he takes 8% raises every year and so his first year starting salary would be about $28 million, which would be the size of the TPE.

John Hollinger suggested they would be better off actually starting him with a bigger number, and having it decline, so that it is closer to market the last couple of years and therefore have more trade value. As long as they have the cap space, it is something for them to consider.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #271 on: November 27, 2020, 06:58:52 PM »

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One thing I thought of is if we got a TPE to NOT use it this season, and wait until next offseason just before it expires when we are not hard capped by the tax apron.   If Hayward can sign a contract where it decreases every year so we get the maximum TPE we can get even better.  Say for example the TPE is 34.502 mil we could just sneak in Beal in a trade next year. Lol

It just may open more doors to trade for a max or near max level player by waiting it out after the season.  I would offer a Jrue Holiday like trade 3 first round picks and 2 pick swaps for this type of player as I expect us to be very good over the next several years.
The most the TPE can be is a little more than $32 million and that's only if Hayward takes a declining salary every year, which is rather unusual.

The more likely outcomes are he gets an even $30 million a year every year making the TPE $30 million or he takes 8% raises every year and so his first year starting salary would be about $28 million, which would be the size of the TPE.

John Hollinger suggested they would be better off actually starting him with a bigger number, and having it decline, so that it is closer to market the last couple of years and therefore have more trade value. As long as they have the cap space, it is something for them to consider.

It’s not solely up to CHA. It depends on what was negotiated.  I’m sure Bartelstein doesn’t want Hayward’s biggest salary to be the one subject to a giant escrow reduction.


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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #272 on: November 27, 2020, 08:06:50 PM »

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One thing I thought of is if we got a TPE to NOT use it this season, and wait until next offseason just before it expires when we are not hard capped by the tax apron.   If Hayward can sign a contract where it decreases every year so we get the maximum TPE we can get even better.  Say for example the TPE is 34.502 mil we could just sneak in Beal in a trade next year. Lol

It just may open more doors to trade for a max or near max level player by waiting it out after the season.  I would offer a Jrue Holiday like trade 3 first round picks and 2 pick swaps for this type of player as I expect us to be very good over the next several years.
The most the TPE can be is a little more than $32 million and that's only if Hayward takes a declining salary every year, which is rather unusual.

The more likely outcomes are he gets an even $30 million a year every year making the TPE $30 million or he takes 8% raises every year and so his first year starting salary would be about $28 million, which would be the size of the TPE.

John Hollinger suggested they would be better off actually starting him with a bigger number, and having it decline, so that it is closer to market the last couple of years and therefore have more trade value. As long as they have the cap space, it is something for them to consider.

It’s not solely up to CHA. It depends on what was negotiated.  I’m sure Bartelstein doesn’t want Hayward’s biggest salary to be the one subject to a giant escrow reduction.

The escrow for the next two seasons is estimated to be at 18%, back down to 10% (hopefully) following that. Assuming players lose the total 18% each year over the next two years but nothing the 2 years after that his financial losses would be the following on a descending vs ascending deal:

Descending
32.4 x .18 = 5.83
30.8 x.18 = 5.54

Ascending
27.6 x.18 = 4.97
29.2 x .18 = 5.26

So (5.83+5.54) - (4.97+5.26) = 1.14 million dollars net loss.

Given that CHA offered his a cool 20 million more than the next offer my guess is they'll have some say in how the contract is structured. But who knows, maybe not.





Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #273 on: November 27, 2020, 08:11:02 PM »

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One thing I thought of is if we got a TPE to NOT use it this season, and wait until next offseason just before it expires when we are not hard capped by the tax apron.   If Hayward can sign a contract where it decreases every year so we get the maximum TPE we can get even better.  Say for example the TPE is 34.502 mil we could just sneak in Beal in a trade next year. Lol

It just may open more doors to trade for a max or near max level player by waiting it out after the season.  I would offer a Jrue Holiday like trade 3 first round picks and 2 pick swaps for this type of player as I expect us to be very good over the next several years.
The most the TPE can be is a little more than $32 million and that's only if Hayward takes a declining salary every year, which is rather unusual.

The more likely outcomes are he gets an even $30 million a year every year making the TPE $30 million or he takes 8% raises every year and so his first year starting salary would be about $28 million, which would be the size of the TPE.

John Hollinger suggested they would be better off actually starting him with a bigger number, and having it decline, so that it is closer to market the last couple of years and therefore have more trade value. As long as they have the cap space, it is something for them to consider.

It’s not solely up to CHA. It depends on what was negotiated.  I’m sure Bartelstein doesn’t want Hayward’s biggest salary to be the one subject to a giant escrow reduction.

The escrow for the next two seasons is estimated to be at 18%, back down to 10% (hopefully) following that. Assuming players lose the total 18% each year over the next two years but nothing the 2 years after that his financial losses would be the following on a descending vs ascending deal:

Descending
32.4 x .18 = 5.83
30.8 x.18 = 5.54

Ascending
27.6 x.18 = 4.97
29.2 x .18 = 5.26

So (5.83+5.54) - (4.97+5.26) = 1.14 million dollars net loss.

Given that CHA offered his a cool 20 million more than the next offer my guess is they'll have some say in how the contract is structured. But who knows, maybe not.

I’m sure it’s already agreed to, as part of the negotiation.  Whatever the structure, it’s not something that CHA gets to unilaterally impose.


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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #274 on: November 27, 2020, 10:48:15 PM »

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Is it still possible the Celtics get a TPE

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #275 on: November 27, 2020, 11:22:22 PM »

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One thing I thought of is if we got a TPE to NOT use it this season, and wait until next offseason just before it expires when we are not hard capped by the tax apron.   If Hayward can sign a contract where it decreases every year so we get the maximum TPE we can get even better.  Say for example the TPE is 34.502 mil we could just sneak in Beal in a trade next year. Lol

It just may open more doors to trade for a max or near max level player by waiting it out after the season.  I would offer a Jrue Holiday like trade 3 first round picks and 2 pick swaps for this type of player as I expect us to be very good over the next several years.
The most the TPE can be is a little more than $32 million and that's only if Hayward takes a declining salary every year, which is rather unusual.

The more likely outcomes are he gets an even $30 million a year every year making the TPE $30 million or he takes 8% raises every year and so his first year starting salary would be about $28 million, which would be the size of the TPE.

John Hollinger suggested they would be better off actually starting him with a bigger number, and having it decline, so that it is closer to market the last couple of years and therefore have more trade value. As long as they have the cap space, it is something for them to consider.

It’s not solely up to CHA. It depends on what was negotiated.  I’m sure Bartelstein doesn’t want Hayward’s biggest salary to be the one subject to a giant escrow reduction.

The escrow for the next two seasons is estimated to be at 18%, back down to 10% (hopefully) following that. Assuming players lose the total 18% each year over the next two years but nothing the 2 years after that his financial losses would be the following on a descending vs ascending deal:

Descending
32.4 x .18 = 5.83
30.8 x.18 = 5.54

Ascending
27.6 x.18 = 4.97
29.2 x .18 = 5.26

So (5.83+5.54) - (4.97+5.26) = 1.14 million dollars net loss.

Given that CHA offered his a cool 20 million more than the next offer my guess is they'll have some say in how the contract is structured. But who knows, maybe not.

I’m sure it’s already agreed to, as part of the negotiation.  Whatever the structure, it’s not something that CHA gets to unilaterally impose.

Oh sure, my point is Haywards net loss from front loading his contract isnt like some HUGE number. And given that CHA likely prefers a front loaded contracted its certainly not impossible it will be.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #276 on: November 27, 2020, 11:58:04 PM »

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One thing I thought of is if we got a TPE to NOT use it this season, and wait until next offseason just before it expires when we are not hard capped by the tax apron.   If Hayward can sign a contract where it decreases every year so we get the maximum TPE we can get even better.  Say for example the TPE is 34.502 mil we could just sneak in Beal in a trade next year. Lol

It just may open more doors to trade for a max or near max level player by waiting it out after the season.  I would offer a Jrue Holiday like trade 3 first round picks and 2 pick swaps for this type of player as I expect us to be very good over the next several years.
The most the TPE can be is a little more than $32 million and that's only if Hayward takes a declining salary every year, which is rather unusual.

The more likely outcomes are he gets an even $30 million a year every year making the TPE $30 million or he takes 8% raises every year and so his first year starting salary would be about $28 million, which would be the size of the TPE.

John Hollinger suggested they would be better off actually starting him with a bigger number, and having it decline, so that it is closer to market the last couple of years and therefore have more trade value. As long as they have the cap space, it is something for them to consider.

It’s not solely up to CHA. It depends on what was negotiated.  I’m sure Bartelstein doesn’t want Hayward’s biggest salary to be the one subject to a giant escrow reduction.

The escrow for the next two seasons is estimated to be at 18%, back down to 10% (hopefully) following that. Assuming players lose the total 18% each year over the next two years but nothing the 2 years after that his financial losses would be the following on a descending vs ascending deal:

Descending
32.4 x .18 = 5.83
30.8 x.18 = 5.54

Ascending
27.6 x.18 = 4.97
29.2 x .18 = 5.26

So (5.83+5.54) - (4.97+5.26) = 1.14 million dollars net loss.

Given that CHA offered his a cool 20 million more than the next offer my guess is they'll have some say in how the contract is structured. But who knows, maybe not.

I’m sure it’s already agreed to, as part of the negotiation.  Whatever the structure, it’s not something that CHA gets to unilaterally impose.

Oh sure, my point is Haywards net loss from front loading his contract isnt like some HUGE number. And given that CHA likely prefers a front loaded contracted its certainly not impossible it will be.

It's also probably worth noting that prior to the escrow calculations, a front-loaded contract is actually worth MORE to the player, simply because they get their money sooner. So we're effectively talking about maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars on a $120M contract that was already $20M more than anyone else was offering. Still doesn't obligate Hayward, but it's really a smaller concession than some favors being thrown his way already.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #277 on: November 28, 2020, 12:42:59 AM »

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can someone please announce when it's no longer on the table....

Resolution please >:(

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #278 on: November 28, 2020, 01:20:35 AM »

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can someone please announce when it's no longer on the table....

Resolution please >:(

Saw this on twitter... take it with a grain of salt.   

I think it checks out though.  It would be the 1st with these many teams involved

Quote
Nov 26
THUNDER MONEYBALL
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5-TEAM BLOCKBUSTER TRADE

LAC receive Terry Rozier
MIL receive Lou Williams
CHA receive Gordon Hayward, Patrick Beverley, DJ Wilson
BOS receive TE (approx. $30-million)
OKC receive Nicolas Batum, future 1st pick (via CHA), 2x future 2nd round picks

It's a culmination deals being discussed.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #279 on: November 28, 2020, 01:46:09 AM »

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can someone please announce when it's no longer on the table....

Resolution please >:(

Saw this on twitter... take it with a grain of salt.   

I think it checks out though.  It would be the 1st with these many teams involved

Quote
Nov 26
THUNDER MONEYBALL
@geola388
5-TEAM BLOCKBUSTER TRADE

LAC receive Terry Rozier
MIL receive Lou Williams
CHA receive Gordon Hayward, Patrick Beverley, DJ Wilson
BOS receive TE (approx. $30-million)
OKC receive Nicolas Batum, future 1st pick (via CHA), 2x future 2nd round picks

It's a culmination deals being discussed.

Trade 2, flip that 30 mil to the Wizards for Beal and call it a day. 😆

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #280 on: November 28, 2020, 01:56:07 AM »

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can someone please announce when it's no longer on the table....

Resolution please >:(

Saw this on twitter... take it with a grain of salt.   

I think it checks out though.  It would be the 1st with these many teams involved

Quote
Nov 26
THUNDER MONEYBALL
@geola388
5-TEAM BLOCKBUSTER TRADE

LAC receive Terry Rozier
MIL receive Lou Williams
CHA receive Gordon Hayward, Patrick Beverley, DJ Wilson
BOS receive TE (approx. $30-million)
OKC receive Nicolas Batum, future 1st pick (via CHA), 2x future 2nd round picks

It's a culmination deals being discussed.
Milwaukee gives up DJ Wilson and gets Lou Williams? 🤔

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #281 on: November 28, 2020, 02:09:18 AM »

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can someone please announce when it's no longer on the table....

Resolution please >:(

Saw this on twitter... take it with a grain of salt.   

I think it checks out though.  It would be the 1st with these many teams involved

Quote
Nov 26
THUNDER MONEYBALL
@geola388
5-TEAM BLOCKBUSTER TRADE

LAC receive Terry Rozier
MIL receive Lou Williams
CHA receive Gordon Hayward, Patrick Beverley, DJ Wilson
BOS receive TE (approx. $30-million)
OKC receive Nicolas Batum, future 1st pick (via CHA), 2x future 2nd round picks

It's a culmination deals being discussed.
Milwaukee gives up DJ Wilson and gets Lou Williams? 🤔

Dj Wilson and a late 2nd... which is not great

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #282 on: November 28, 2020, 02:20:07 AM »

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can someone please announce when it's no longer on the table....

Resolution please >:(

Saw this on twitter... take it with a grain of salt.   

I think it checks out though.  It would be the 1st with these many teams involved

Quote
Nov 26
THUNDER MONEYBALL
@geola388
5-TEAM BLOCKBUSTER TRADE

LAC receive Terry Rozier
MIL receive Lou Williams
CHA receive Gordon Hayward, Patrick Beverley, DJ Wilson
BOS receive TE (approx. $30-million)
OKC receive Nicolas Batum, future 1st pick (via CHA), 2x future 2nd round picks

It's a culmination deals being discussed.
Milwaukee gives up DJ Wilson and gets Lou Williams? 🤔

Dj Wilson and a late 2nd... which is not great
I’ll take it with a Bonneville Salt Plains sized grain of salt
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #283 on: November 28, 2020, 02:30:02 AM »

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I cant find confirmation anywhere looks like fake news.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #284 on: November 28, 2020, 03:52:06 AM »

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I cant find confirmation anywhere looks like fake news.

Seems like massive deal. Five teams.