Hayward sign-and-trade completed

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

It says a draft asset, so it could very likely be a second round pick.

Ooo. Could the Cs land Danny Green, George Hill, or Ricky Rubio to help with our rotation? That'd be worth a future protected first or a couple of seconds, right?

In a case where that does happen, would the Cs get that player plus whatever the difference between that salary and Hayward's salary is in a trade exception?

If Hayward's first year salary is 30 and the Cs got Danny Green's contract at 15 million, would the Cs also get a 15 million dollar trade exception?

[RJ87]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

It says a draft asset, so it could very likely be a second round pick.

Ooo. Could the Cs land Danny Green or Ricky Rubio to help with our rotation? That'd be worth a future protected first or a couple of seconds, right?

Danny was traded to Philly. Rubio was traded to Minnesota.

[Jiri Welsch]

Is there a difference in signing TT using the TPE vs the MLE? What’s more beneficial to us?

We wouldn't have incentive to do a S&T with the Cavs. Just sign him with the (non-taxpayer) MLE.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

It says a draft asset, so it could very likely be a second round pick.

Ooo. Could the Cs land Danny Green or Ricky Rubio to help with our rotation? That'd be worth a future protected first or a couple of seconds, right?

Danny was traded to Philly. Rubio was traded to Minnesota.

You are right. I apologize. It's hard to keep track. Who else does OKC have right now? Ariza? Horford?

In a case where that does happen, would the Cs get that player plus whatever the difference between that salary and Hayward's salary is in a trade exception?

If Hayward's first year salary is 30 and the Cs got a contract at 15 million, would the Cs also get a 15 million dollar trade exception?

[PAOBoston]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1331628971805564931?s=21

[jambr380]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

That's just not how it works. If Danny gives up a 1st, then the Cs are getting fleeced. CHA desperately wants to get out from underneath Batum's contract. Whenever that is the case, the team that is shedding salary is the one who gives up a 1st.

I would say, the deal should go something like this. Batum and a CHA 1st to OKC / TPE to BOS / Hayward and a BOS 2nd to CHA.

[Jvalin]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

That's just not how it works. If Danny gives up a 1st, then the Cs are getting fleeced. CHA desperately wants to get out from underneath Batum's contract. Whenever that is the case, the team that is shedding salary is the one who gives up a 1st.

I would say, the deal should go something like this. Batum and a CHA 1st to OKC / TPE to BOS / Hayward and a BOS 2nd to CHA.

I'd happily give up a first (or a prospect) if we can somehow end up with PJ Washington. He's a very promising swing, plus he'd be a terrific fit in our system.

[RJ87]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

That's just not how it works. If Danny gives up a 1st, then the Cs are getting fleeced. CHA desperately wants to get out from underneath Batum's contract. Whenever that is the case, the team that is shedding salary is the one who gives up a 1st.

I would say, the deal should go something like this. Batum and a CHA 1st to OKC / TPE to BOS / Hayward and a BOS 2nd to CHA.

Agree on that deal. I also expect Charlotte to try to add protections on the 1st if this is how it plays out.

[Vermont Green]

Based on the Woj news, sounds like we can expect a sign and trade with Charlotte and a corresponding $28M or so trade exemption but that the hold up is the discussion between Charlotte and OKC over Batum.  Both these sound reasonable.

Because we used the non-taxpayer exception for Thompson, we now have a hard cap so for this season, we would be restricted from using all of the $28M TPE.  There is still probably going to be some movement in the final signings and resulting salary/cap numbers but we would probably have in the range of $15M or so to work with from the $28M TPE.  The balance could be used in the offseason in 2021.  I guess having this drag out is better as it extends the 1 year period a little.

I don't see anyone on the Charlotte or Thunder roster that we would want to eat into the 2020 portion of the TPE for, at least not anyone who would likely be available.  This will probably be most useful at the trade deadline to bring in a vet.  What we think we need today and what we end up needing half way through the season can be different.  Hopefully they get this done and then I say start the season with what we have and let's see how it works.  Then we can address the biggest need at the trade deadline.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

That's just not how it works. If Danny gives up a 1st, then the Cs are getting fleeced. CHA desperately wants to get out from underneath Batum's contract. Whenever that is the case, the team that is shedding salary is the one who gives up a 1st.

I would say, the deal should go something like this. Batum and a CHA 1st to OKC / TPE to BOS / Hayward and a BOS 2nd to CHA.

I agree generally. That's probably what it ends up being. But if you get creative right now things could get interesting.

They could break this down into two deals where the Celtics give up more value in the first deal (Edwards? A second?) to get the trade exception with a wink wink second deal in place to receive Horford's contract into the trade exception they just got for a top 55 protected pick. Horford's contract would not count against the cap this season.

Things would get hairy next season with the luxury tax for sure, but there is always a team willing to take a contract like Horford's for a 1st rounder. The Thunder just did. This would avoid the luxury tax for a season while putting a really good team out on the court.

I know many people don't like Horford or think he's washed up. I tend to think he could be as effective as he was in his last year with us again in a better situation. He is still a good role player that is basically free for salary cap purposes this year. He'd be a valuable veteran to have going against the Sixers in the playoffs.

Starters: Walker-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Thompson
Bench: Smart-Theis-Williams-Williams-Langford-Nesmith-Teague-Pritchard

[BringToughnessBack]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

That's just not how it works. If Danny gives up a 1st, then the Cs are getting fleeced. CHA desperately wants to get out from underneath Batum's contract. Whenever that is the case, the team that is shedding salary is the one who gives up a 1st.

I would say, the deal should go something like this. Batum and a CHA 1st to OKC / TPE to BOS / Hayward and a BOS 2nd to CHA.

I agree generally. That's probably what it ends up being. But if you get creative right now things could get interesting.

They could break this down into two deals where the Celtics give up more value in the first deal (Edwards? A second?) to get the trade exception with a wink wink second deal in place to receive Horford's contract into the trade exception they just got for a top 55 protected pick. Horford's contract would not count against the cap this season.

Things would get hairy next season with the luxury tax for sure, but there is always a team willing to take a contract like Horford's for a 1st rounder. The Thunder just did. This would avoid the luxury tax for a season while putting a really good team out on the court.

I know many people don't like Horford or think he's washed up. I tend to think he could be as effective as he was in his last year with us again in a better situation. He is still a good role player that is basically free for salary cap purposes this year. He'd be a valuable veteran to have going against the Sixers in the playoffs.

Starters: Walker-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Thompson
Bench: Smart-Theis-Williams-Williams-Langford-Nesmith-Teague-Pritchard

You make a good point. Horford and Thompson with Theis still would be lights out a huge improvement over what we had this year. I believe we would have been in the finals as they would have surely helped slow down the Heat and Bam.

[KGs Knee]

Sounds like OKC is the third team and willing to take Batum but asking for what must be a first rounder from Celtics

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-rumors-celtics-hornets-sign-161421997.html

That's just not how it works. If Danny gives up a 1st, then the Cs are getting fleeced. CHA desperately wants to get out from underneath Batum's contract. Whenever that is the case, the team that is shedding salary is the one who gives up a 1st.

I would say, the deal should go something like this. Batum and a CHA 1st to OKC / TPE to BOS / Hayward and a BOS 2nd to CHA.

Agree on that deal. I also expect Charlotte to try to add protections on the 1st if this is how it plays out.

I think Charlotte would be better served to eat Batum's salary than give up a 1st round pick. That extra $9m isn't going to put them anywhere close to the lux tax and is less than the value of the non-taxpayer MLE. Sure, they could possibly still use that $9m this season, and can't use the MLE until next season, but this late in free agency they aren't going to find anything worth losing a pick over, IMO.

The only way it makes sense for Charlotte to pay that high of a price to rid themselves of Batum's salary is if MJ just can't stomach paying $27m to waive a player.  It's not out of the question. I guess we'll see what his price point is, and how far he is actually willing to go to save himself the money.

[lrybrd]

Get the TPE and use it on Redick or Sweet Lou.  We need an offensive threat in the second unit and I'm not ready to bank on one of our rookies providing it out of the gates.  I'd prefer Redick as I think he would be ideal in this system and he is a better defender.  Throw in a first to Pelicans to get it done.

[Tr1boy]

Get the TPE and use it on Redick or Sweet Lou.  We need an offensive threat in the second unit and I'm not ready to bank on one of our rookies providing it out of the gates.  I'd prefer Redick as I think he would be ideal in this system and he is a better defender.  Throw in a first to Pelicans to get it done.

I think the Celts would get the TPE

but not make a move right now

give the opportunity to Nesmith, Pritchard, Edwards etc. at the start

[keevsnick]

Based on the Woj news, sounds like we can expect a sign and trade with Charlotte and a corresponding $28M or so trade exemption but that the hold up is the discussion between Charlotte and OKC over Batum.  Both these sound reasonable.

Because we used the non-taxpayer exception for Thompson, we now have a hard cap so for this season, we would be restricted from using all of the $28M TPE.  There is still probably going to be some movement in the final signings and resulting salary/cap numbers but we would probably have in the range of $15M or so to work with from the $28M TPE.  The balance could be used in the offseason in 2021.  I guess having this drag out is better as it extends the 1 year period a little.

I don't see anyone on the Charlotte or Thunder roster that we would want to eat into the 2020 portion of the TPE for, at least not anyone who would likely be available.  This will probably be most useful at the trade deadline to bring in a vet.  What we think we need today and what we end up needing half way through the season can be different.  Hopefully they get this done and then I say start the season with what we have and let's see how it works.  Then we can address the biggest need at the trade deadline.

A couple addendums. The TPE could be for as much as 33 million is the CHA starts Hayward high and descends the contract, you would think they would but who knows. 

The second thing is more a question than a statement. Although you can use the TPE for more than 1 player I think it has to be in the same trade, I don't think you can use 15 of the 30 million at the deadline and another 15 million in a separate deal this off season (correct me if i'm wrong). Its single use. Which is why it probably wont be used this year, because the C's are hard capped at the apron of roughly 138 million and likely trying to avoid the 132 million tax completely. The most likely outcome to me is avoiding the tax this year, seeing what you have in young guys and then using it to start next off season when you are no longer hard capped and the repeater tax resets.