Hayward sign-and-trade completed

[Darth_Yoda]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

[RJ87]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

We have to avoid the hardcap this season because we used the non taxpayer MLE to sign Tristan. It's not about what management is willing to do, its that we can't because of CBA rules.

[pearljammer10]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

Ownership has to believe it because “hard cap” would mean exactly what it says, being hard capped.

We make the Hayward sign and trade and we can not by any means or any circumstances go over the hard cap number of $138 mil (or whatever the official figure is).

[Darth_Yoda]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

We have to avoid the hardcap this season because we used the non taxpayer MLE to sign Tristan. It's not about what management is willing to do, its that we can't because of CBA rules.

May I am mistaken here, but I thought the rules were that you cannot exceed the apron when using the BAE or the MLE. So if a trade happened with the TPE after using the MLE and the BAE it should be ok no? They would already have the MLE used by that point.

That is all that makes sense. They could use the TPE in January, 2 months into TT playing on his contract, hard cap themselves then. They NBA isnt going to take TT away from the team at that point. SO there must, if nothing else, be a time threshold that allows team to take in more than just 16 million into the TPE.

[Neurotic Guy]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

I have no idea what the challenges are to get these guys and I am officially giving up trying to understand TPE rules and implications to cap -- but Barnes sounds great to me.  Powell too.

[Darth_Yoda]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

Ownership has to believe it because “hard cap” would mean exactly what it says, being hard capped.

We make the Hayward sign and trade and we can not by any means or any circumstances go over the hard cap number of $138 mil (or whatever the official figure is).

Unless my math is wrong we should be over the 138 million.
Kemba -                $34,379,100
Jaylen Brown         $23,883,929   
Marcus Smart       $13,446,428   
Jayson Tatum        $9,897,120   
Daniel Theis       $5,000,000   
Romeo Langford     $3,631,200   
Aaron Nesmith        $3,458,400   
Grant Williams       $2,498,760
Payton Pritchard     $2,035,800   
Semi Ojeleye       $1,752,950   
Carsen Edwards       $1,517,981   
Tristan Thompson   $9,258,000
Teague                   $2,000,000 (est.)
Waters                   $1,549,812
Tacko                     $1,549,812

Dead Cap               $1,131,937

Total $116,991,229

Tax Apron is looking like 138.8 million.

The hard cap means under no circumstances the team can exceed the Apron for 1 year, but unless I am missing something team has about 21.8 million in space

Barnes at 22 million would require only edwards and/or semis contracts to a trade which combine for a further 3.27 million. (assuming Teague is signed around 2 million. I have to assume he is less than Wannamaker at 2.5 million)

Or am I missing something else here?

[Darth_Yoda]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

I have no idea what the challenges are to get these guys and I am officially giving up trying to understand TPE rules and implications to cap -- but Barnes sounds great to me.  Powell too.

Powell would be my top choice personally. I doubt raptors let him go
Barnes is second
Ross is third

[NKY fan]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

Ownership has to believe it because “hard cap” would mean exactly what it says, being hard capped.

We make the Hayward sign and trade and we can not by any means or any circumstances go over the hard cap number of $138 mil (or whatever the official figure is).

Unless my math is wrong we should be over the 138 million.
Kemba -                $34,379,100
Jaylen Brown         $23,883,929   
Marcus Smart       $13,446,428   
Jayson Tatum        $9,897,120   
Daniel Theis       $5,000,000   
Romeo Langford     $3,631,200   
Aaron Nesmith        $3,458,400   
Grant Williams       $2,498,760
Payton Pritchard     $2,035,800   
Semi Ojeleye       $1,752,950   
Carsen Edwards       $1,517,981   
Tristan Thompson   $9,258,000
Teague                   $2,000,000 (est.)
Waters                   $1,549,812
Tacko                     $1,549,812

Dead Cap               $1,131,937

Total $116,991,229

Tax Apron is looking like 138.8 million.

The hard cap means under no circumstances the team can exceed the Apron for 1 year, but unless I am missing something team has about 21.8 million in space

Barnes at 22 million would require only edwards and/or semis contracts to a trade which combine for a further 3.27 million. (assuming Teague is signed around 2 million. I have to assume he is less than Wannamaker at 2.5 million)

Or am I missing something else here?

I might be wrong but I think tacko and waters don’t count against the cap. So the total number is $3M less. Teague cap hit will be $1.6M if he signs for the vet min. If we trade away Carsen for nothing we can take the salaries to $112M ... this gives us the flexibility to trade for a big contract.. we can even trade for Hield and still be under the luxury tax depends on who’s the outgoing player... I think that’s one of Danny’s goals: stay under the luxury tax ... but if a great deal comes around he would be willing to get to the hard cap of$139.3M

[Darth_Yoda]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

Ownership has to believe it because “hard cap” would mean exactly what it says, being hard capped.

We make the Hayward sign and trade and we can not by any means or any circumstances go over the hard cap number of $138 mil (or whatever the official figure is).

Unless my math is wrong we should be over the 138 million.
Kemba -                $34,379,100
Jaylen Brown         $23,883,929   
Marcus Smart       $13,446,428   
Jayson Tatum        $9,897,120   
Daniel Theis       $5,000,000   
Romeo Langford     $3,631,200   
Aaron Nesmith        $3,458,400   
Grant Williams       $2,498,760
Payton Pritchard     $2,035,800   
Semi Ojeleye       $1,752,950   
Carsen Edwards       $1,517,981   
Tristan Thompson   $9,258,000
Teague                   $2,000,000 (est.)
Waters                   $1,549,812
Tacko                     $1,549,812

Dead Cap               $1,131,937

Total $116,991,229

Tax Apron is looking like 138.8 million.

The hard cap means under no circumstances the team can exceed the Apron for 1 year, but unless I am missing something team has about 21.8 million in space

Barnes at 22 million would require only edwards and/or semis contracts to a trade which combine for a further 3.27 million. (assuming Teague is signed around 2 million. I have to assume he is less than Wannamaker at 2.5 million)

Or am I missing something else here?

I might be wrong but I think tacko and waters don’t count against the cap. So the total number is $3M less. Teague cap hit will be $1.6M if he signs for the vet min. If we trade away Carsen for nothing we can take the salaries to $112M ... this gives us the flexibility to trade for a big contract.. we can even trade for Hield and still be under the luxury tax depends on who’s the outgoing player... I think that’s one of Danny’s goals: stay under the luxury tax ... but if a great deal comes around he would be willing to get to the hard cap of$139.3M

I am in agreement with you.

[keevsnick]

Barnes makes $22.2 million.  We only have about 16 million available until we hit the hard cap.  Even trading away Langford wouldn’t be enough.  Or even Langford plus Semi.  Barnes is not an option without trading away a player better than Barnes.  Barnes isn’t happening.

Who cares about hard cap. Dont believe ownership does. Hard capped last season after the Kemba trade.

If management believes that Barnes can put us over the top he will be here.

keeping the incoming at less than 16 million would leave slim picking around the league.
Norman Powell (Cannot see raptors letting him go, would love him though)
Terrence Ross (Would be ok with Ross)
Tauren Prince
Rudy Gay
JJ Reddick
Thad Young
Will Barton
Kyle Anderson
Norman Bjelica

Ownership has to believe it because “hard cap” would mean exactly what it says, being hard capped.

We make the Hayward sign and trade and we can not by any means or any circumstances go over the hard cap number of $138 mil (or whatever the official figure is).

Unless my math is wrong we should be over the 138 million.
Kemba -                $34,379,100
Jaylen Brown         $23,883,929   
Marcus Smart       $13,446,428   
Jayson Tatum        $9,897,120   
Daniel Theis       $5,000,000   
Romeo Langford     $3,631,200   
Aaron Nesmith        $3,458,400   
Grant Williams       $2,498,760
Payton Pritchard     $2,035,800   
Semi Ojeleye       $1,752,950   
Carsen Edwards       $1,517,981   
Tristan Thompson   $9,258,000
Teague                   $2,000,000 (est.)
Waters                   $1,549,812
Tacko                     $1,549,812

Dead Cap               $1,131,937

Total $116,991,229

Tax Apron is looking like 138.8 million.

The hard cap means under no circumstances the team can exceed the Apron for 1 year, but unless I am missing something team has about 21.8 million in space

Barnes at 22 million would require only edwards and/or semis contracts to a trade which combine for a further 3.27 million. (assuming Teague is signed around 2 million. I have to assume he is less than Wannamaker at 2.5 million)

Or am I missing something else here?

I might be wrong but I think tacko and waters don’t count against the cap. So the total number is $3M less. Teague cap hit will be $1.6M if he signs for the vet min. If we trade away Carsen for nothing we can take the salaries to $112M ... this gives us the flexibility to trade for a big contract.. we can even trade for Hield and still be under the luxury tax depends on who’s the outgoing player... I think that’s one of Danny’s goals: stay under the luxury tax ... but if a great deal comes around he would be willing to get to the hard cap of$139.3M

I am in agreement with you.

I know the hard cap is 138 million, but for all intents and purposes I think there's almost no chance the Celtics go into the luxury tax (132.6 million) this year. Avoiding the tax resets the clock on the repeater tax potentially saving literally 10's of millions of dollars in future tax payments. With Hayward gone its not AS big of a deal, but I really don't see the Celtics putting themselves in that situation for a player like Buddy Heild who is over paid as is. Maybe for a true star they would go into the tax, but a true star would also be hard to fit under the hard cap.

The more likely outcome is just taking on a massive TPE that can then be used in the early part of NEXT off-season (expires after 1 year) after staying under the tax this year. That also gives you time to evaluate what you have in  your young guys (hopefully they play well to build their value). Then maybe using the Kanter 5 million TPE for a small upgrade at the trade deadline, and/or the BAE for a buyout guy.

[Jiri Welsch]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1331629313066676224?s=20
Let's Go!

[Jvalin]

Probably a pipe dream, but I'd happily take Batum's contract provided that the Hornets throw in PJ Washington.

Boston in: Batum + Washington
Charlotte in: Hayward + Edwards

The Hornets avoid cutting Batum, hence they save $9,043,478 a year for the next 3 seasons. The C's get a very promising 3+D prospect in Washington.


PG: Kemba - Smart - Pritchard - Teague
SG: Brown - Romeo - Smart
SF: Tatum - Nesmith - Batum
PF: Washington - Grant - Semi
C: Thompson - Theis - Timelord

[Jiri Welsch]

Probably a pipe dream, but I'd happily take Batum's contract provided that the Hornets throw in PJ Washington.

Boston in: Batum + Washington
Charlotte in: Hayward + Edwards

The Hornets avoid cutting Batum, hence they save $9,043,478 a year for the next 3 seasons. The C's get a very promising 3+D prospect in Washington.


PG: Kemba - Smart - Pritchard - Teague
SG: Brown - Romeo - Smart
SF: Tatum - Nesmith - Batum
PF: Washington - Grant - Semi
C: Thompson - Theis - Timelord

That would put the Celtics over the luxury tax apron, which they are very intentionally trying not to cross this season.

They are realistically only going to be able to acquire a player with a ~$14 million contract. Unless they begin to trade away legitimate rotation players, in which case what's the point.

[hardlyyardley]

In a hearbeat if the numbers work

[Jvalin]

Probably a pipe dream, but I'd happily take Batum's contract provided that the Hornets throw in PJ Washington.

Boston in: Batum + Washington
Charlotte in: Hayward + Edwards

The Hornets avoid cutting Batum, hence they save $9,043,478 a year for the next 3 seasons. The C's get a very promising 3+D prospect in Washington.


PG: Kemba - Smart - Pritchard - Teague
SG: Brown - Romeo - Smart
SF: Tatum - Nesmith - Batum
PF: Washington - Grant - Semi
C: Thompson - Theis - Timelord

That would put the Celtics over the luxury tax apron, which they are very intentionally trying not to cross this season.

They are realistically only going to be able to acquire a player with a ~$14 million contract. Unless they begin to trade away legitimate rotation players, in which case what's the point.

Ugh, you're right. Forgot we got hard capped by signing Thompson.