Woj: Hayward to Charlotte (4 years, $120 million)

[keevsnick]

Now that Hayward's salary is completely off the table, what does that open up in terms of space for the C's.   

I know they need to reserve room for Nesmith and Pritchard, but doesn't that still leave something in the neighborhood of 10M space.   Can their recent TPEs be used to push first year salary to 15-17M?   This stuff hurts my head, please someone spell out if there is any potential silver lining as to who C"s could sign of remaining FAs.

Basically the have the full MLE which starts at 9.5 million ish and the smaller bi annual which is like 4.5 I think

[hpantazo]

Just a reminder, if we hadn't landed Tatum through Ainge's moves we'd be screwed right now. Ainge always has several layers to his plans.

[jbpats]

If we somehow get Cody Zeller from this would people be happy.

Whose better? Turner or Zeller?

[jpotter33]

Just FYI - on Twitter and the NBA sphere this deal is getting ridiculed as awful given Hayward's injury history. Classic MJ. And the fact that even the Knicks weren't stupid enough to offer this kind of deal is telling.

Clearly there was not much that Danny could do here. And if anything, this is a product of Danny being TOO successful by successfully signing or drafting/developing at least 4 max-level players. Just can't keep them all at the same time. Fact of the salary cap.

[Phantom255x]

Boy if Danny chose not to do Hayward for Turner + McDermott, and ultimately Hayward leaves for nothing that'll look really bad. Some Indiana reporters are even speculating that's what happened.

[blink]

Well this is a disaster. Look In not sure I'd go as far as saying Ainge should be fired, he's a good GM, but in the last couple of years he's

Traded a top 10 pick for Irving
Lost irving for nothing
Lost Horford for nothing
Lost Hayward (return pending)
Let guys like Rozier, Morris go for nothing
Failed to move up in the draft.
Even the saving grace of last year has questions about his Knee.

I mean the Celtics future is now 100% Brown/Tatum, and there are worse places to be. But there will be no cap space for the rest of Kemba's contract. There are no more surplus draft picks left to make. The fate of the team basically relies on the young guys on roster improving enough to A) make the team a contender or B) be flipped for another star. That's it. Theres now a ton riding on Langford, Nesmith, and the Williams'.

Yeah unless something crawls out of the woodwork, this is pretty much a disaster.
I mean we still have Kemba, Smart, Jaylen and Tatum which is great, but...

It sure doesn't feel like that is enough to get us over the hump.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The only thing that disappoints me is we weren't able to use him as an SnT asset of some kind, but good for him to get his money and maybe play in a team where he feels he can contribute more.

I got nothing but respect for Gordo. I wish his tenure with us was better, but here we are. Dude played thru an injury trying to get us to the Finals, I will always respect that.

I wish him luck in Charlotte.

[Uncle_Stingfinger]

Just FYI - on Twitter and the NBA sphere this deal is getting ridiculed as awful given Hayward's injury history. Classic MJ.

Clearly there was not much that Danny could do here. And if anything, this is a product of Danny being TOO successful by successfully signing or drafting/developing at least 4 max-level players. Just can't keep them all at the same time. Fact of the salary cap.

nice spin.  ainge is too good at his job.   hilarious.

[jpotter33]

You can blame Ainge if you want but it’s obvious Hayward took the biggest check he could find. What a gross overpay and shows winning not exactly the biggest thing on Hayward’s mind.

Which is yet another reason this may be best for all parties involved. Bringing him back at a number and role that he's not happy with is recipe for a disaster. I think it was just time to move on.

[libermaniac]

Is the deal that shipped out Kanter and Bane for nothing official?  If we happen to lose Hayward for nothing, wouldn't be want to rescind that deal ... we'd have center depth and another young player in Bane.  We freed up 3 spots in Hayward, Poirier and Wannamaker, so there is room.

[Neurotic Guy]

Boy if Danny chose not to do Hayward for Turner + McDermott, and ultimately Hayward leaves for nothing that'll look really bad. Some Indiana reporters are even speculating that's what happened.

I guess if we give DA benefit of the doubt, he may have felt that losing Hayward and his full salary would putb him in position to get something he thinks is better than Turner/McDermott.     That remains to be seen.

[CelticSooner]

Boy if Danny chose not to do Hayward for Turner + McDermott, and ultimately Hayward leaves for nothing that'll look really bad. Some Indiana reporters are even speculating that's what happened.

Of course Indiana reporters are going to say that. Gonna need more info from neutral sources. For all we know they could have been trying to a work a deal on Hayward’s terms using Charlotte as leverage.

[hpantazo]

Well this is a disaster. Look In not sure I'd go as far as saying Ainge should be fired, he's a good GM, but in the last couple of years he's

Traded a top 10 pick for Irving
Lost irving for nothing
Lost Horford for nothing
Lost Hayward (return pending)
Let guys like Rozier, Morris go for nothing
Failed to move up in the draft.
Even the saving grace of last year has questions about his Knee.

I mean the Celtics future is now 100% Brown/Tatum, and there are worse places to be. But there will be no cap space for the rest of Kemba's contract. There are no more surplus draft picks left to make. The fate of the team basically relies on the young guys on roster improving enough to A) make the team a contender or B) be flipped for another star. That's it. Theres now a ton riding on Langford, Nesmith, and the Williams'.

Yeah unless something crawls out of the woodwork, this is pretty much a disaster.
I mean we still have Kemba, Smart, Jaylen and Tatum which is great, but...

It sure doesn't feel like that is enough to get us over the hump.

Ainge was building two teams at once and not choosing a path was a problem. There was Kyrie, Hayward and Horford, and then Tatum, Brown and Smart. Now we have a direction, and we have Nesmith, Rob Williams, Grant Williams and Langford. Looking back at where Kyrie, Horford and Hayward ended up with their abilities to perform now, I think Ainge picked the right path.

[elcotte]

Boy if Danny chose not to do Hayward for Turner + McDermott, and ultimately Hayward leaves for nothing that'll look really bad. Some Indiana reporters are even speculating that's what happened.

I think those reporters should look at why the Pacers didn't get Hayward.

[jbpats]

I just find it hard to believe Hayward, who is loaded, would prefer an addition 5 mil a year vs what Indiana wanted to offer. Just going by reports of 4 years 100 mil

I truly believe being home and with his family is worth the 5 mil less a year. Let’s not forget the stupid endorsement deal he got with that Chinese shoe company, guy is loaded.

I believe, and this is just my opinion, he took it because Ainge wouldn’t accept Indys deal and got tired of waiting. Charlotte probably told him now or never

Reliable sources said Gordon wanted Indy, I think ainges greed cost us big.