Our new 2020-21 Celtics team??

[Kernewek]

Way to much panic.   


The best thing that can still happen is Hayward opting out and resigning to a long term contract at a lower price (which signals the team is ok with the Tax)   


Then Kanter opts in and the Celtics can combine him, a late draft pick and some salary filler to get a useful vet (George Hill would be great). 

Then use the other two draft picks to move up and draft their target.   

Use the tax level MLE to add one more vet.

Not losing Hayward for nothing is a very important thing. But Having Hayward himself is not in the best interest of the team, imo.

Smart/Brown/Tatum have the sg-pf spots on lock down. Team needs a huge improvement in depth and could really stand to have a sizeable difference at Center.

Draft can address some of the bench, maybe
a tax payer MLE will help a little
Trading Kanter might help a little.

But none of those will put the team into contention.

Hayward needs to opt in, or be signed and traded for some talent that better fits our needs and age.

Should be a fun 48 hours. The only option rumored out there still for Hayward s&t is Indiana. I think there is real pressure on Ainge with the Hayward stuff.  I am not sold on Turner.  But Celtics need to get a serious rotation wing.  Brown hasn't always stayed healthy and the way Smart plays is accident waiting to happen.  Add Kembas knee.  Turner isnt enough and we lose a lot with Hayward.

There is a Hawks "Insider" claiming the Hawks want him pretty bad, and if he opts out they will immediately make a good offer for him.

They apparently like his ability to shoot and generate offense, which would take a little pressure off of trae and hopefully they start making playoffs (afraid trae gets tired of losing and he leaves)

So If Hayward opts in, that might put pick 6 in play for us.

Yes, that is a strong rumor.  I know Huerter has stated he is trying to mold his game like Hayward.  But Hayward opting out and Celtics getting nothing is a huge loss.

Agreed, that is why he needs to opt in. He owes it to the franchise to at least do that. Or do some kind of a sign and trade maybe.

He owes it to the franchise to be paid 34 mil?

[NKY fan]

Danny has to trade now before the draft... this is the time when his 3 draft picks have almost peak value... he will look really amateurish if he drafts 3-4 more players for this 20-21 team

[wdleehi]

Danny has to trade now before the draft... this is the time when his 3 draft picks have almost peak value... he will look really amateurish if he drafts 3-4 more players for this 20-21 team

I am sure he has had the pre-discussion but he will not make the move up trade until the pick is up and the guy he wants it there.

[Darth_Yoda]

Check out this tweet....


https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/1328725223676395525

Danny Ainge was throwing Kemba at everybody trying to get the picks for Jrue. Instead... it won’t be happy Holidays for him

Perhaps Danny choses Hayward over Kemba?

Would NYK trade a PG and the pick for Kemba?

Smart/Frank
Brown/Romeo
Hayward/#14
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Timelord

[tonydelk]

Check out this tweet....


https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/1328725223676395525

Danny Ainge was throwing Kemba at everybody trying to get the picks for Jrue. Instead... it won’t be happy Holidays for him

Perhaps Danny choses Hayward over Kemba?

Would NYK trade a PG and the pick for Kemba?

Smart/Frank
Brown/Romeo
Hayward/#14
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Timelord

If Hayward opts in and the C's had traded for Jrue with one year on his deal I wonder if this was about setting the C's up to be in the giannis running.  Who knows what the conversation was between Tatum and Giannis.  If they were to move Kemba and Gordon was a FA after the year they would have a max slot open for someone like Giannis. Poor Kemba.  This is not going to go over well.

[Darth_Yoda]

Check out this tweet....


https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/1328725223676395525

Danny Ainge was throwing Kemba at everybody trying to get the picks for Jrue. Instead... it won’t be happy Holidays for him

Perhaps Danny choses Hayward over Kemba?

Would NYK trade a PG and the pick for Kemba?

Smart/Frank
Brown/Romeo
Hayward/#14
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Timelord

If Hayward opts in and the C's had traded for Jrue with one year on his deal I wonder if this was about setting the C's up to be in the giannis running.  Who knows what the conversation was between Tatum and Giannis.  If they were to move Kemba and Gordon was a FA after the year they would have a max slot open for someone like Giannis. Poor Kemba.  This is not going to go over well.

I like Kemba, but he was a asset retention move.

[BitterJim]

Danny has to trade now before the draft... this is the time when his 3 draft picks have almost peak value... he will look really amateurish if he drafts 3-4 more players for this 20-21 team

I am sure he has had the pre-discussion but he will not make the move up trade until the pick is up and the guy he wants it there.

Yeah, and I don't see many teams looking to trade down until they're sure their guys are off the board.

With this draft being so flat, it has to be hard for anyone in the mid-late lottery to know who is actually going to be available (similar to the 3-8 range in the 2016 draft)

[NKY fan]

Danny has to trade now before the draft... this is the time when his 3 draft picks have almost peak value... he will look really amateurish if he drafts 3-4 more players for this 20-21 team

I am sure he has had the pre-discussion but he will not make the move up trade until the pick is up and the guy he wants it there.

Yeah, and I don't see many teams looking to trade down until they're sure their guys are off the board.

With this draft being so flat, it has to be hard for anyone in the mid-late lottery to know who is actually going to be available (similar to the 3-8 range in the 2016 draft)

Well he can trade the picks for players that can contribute this year

[Darth_Yoda]

Way to much panic.   


The best thing that can still happen is Hayward opting out and resigning to a long term contract at a lower price (which signals the team is ok with the Tax)   


Then Kanter opts in and the Celtics can combine him, a late draft pick and some salary filler to get a useful vet (George Hill would be great). 

Then use the other two draft picks to move up and draft their target.   

Use the tax level MLE to add one more vet.

Not losing Hayward for nothing is a very important thing. But Having Hayward himself is not in the best interest of the team, imo.

Smart/Brown/Tatum have the sg-pf spots on lock down. Team needs a huge improvement in depth and could really stand to have a sizeable difference at Center.

Draft can address some of the bench, maybe
a tax payer MLE will help a little
Trading Kanter might help a little.

But none of those will put the team into contention.

Hayward needs to opt in, or be signed and traded for some talent that better fits our needs and age.

Should be a fun 48 hours. The only option rumored out there still for Hayward s&t is Indiana. I think there is real pressure on Ainge with the Hayward stuff.  I am not sold on Turner.  But Celtics need to get a serious rotation wing.  Brown hasn't always stayed healthy and the way Smart plays is accident waiting to happen.  Add Kembas knee.  Turner isnt enough and we lose a lot with Hayward.

There is a Hawks "Insider" claiming the Hawks want him pretty bad, and if he opts out they will immediately make a good offer for him.

They apparently like his ability to shoot and generate offense, which would take a little pressure off of trae and hopefully they start making playoffs (afraid trae gets tired of losing and he leaves)

So If Hayward opts in, that might put pick 6 in play for us.

Yes, that is a strong rumor.  I know Huerter has stated he is trying to mold his game like Hayward.  But Hayward opting out and Celtics getting nothing is a huge loss.

Agreed, that is why he needs to opt in. He owes it to the franchise to at least do that. Or do some kind of a sign and trade maybe.

He owes it to the franchise to be paid 34 mil?

Yeah, to give them a chance to re-coop something.

[footey]

While the Bucks and other teams make strong moves to contend, the Celtics lay low.
I'm fine with it. Just keep building patiently via the draft.

We do have to manage the financial situation. Either Hayward walks/re-signs and otherwise Hayward or Walker needs to be traded before the trade deadline.

The main goal for this season is to further develop Tatum, Brown, R.Williams, Langford, G.Williams and rookies.

Trade away Walker/Edwards/Ojeleye/Theis/Kanter if a decent offer comes in.

How about prioritizing winning after 7 years of rebuilding and having 3+ all stars on the team ?

Tatum and Brown will be here in two years and probably even better than they're now. Don't care too much about Walker. He's a very good player, but also a defensive liability. He's barely a top 10 PG in the playoffs and that knee is really concerning. I don't think anyone believed that Walker would show the road to contention, he was just a stopgap to make sure we comfortably stayed a playoff team.

We have a terrible bench. Two ways about it. Trade away picks/rookie contracts for veteran help or develop the young guys. I choose the latter. The Celtics peak can start in 2-3 years. You're not getting great value for our unproductive bench pieces Robert Williams (5 PTS/4 REB/1 BLK a game), Grant Williams (3 PTS/3 REB/1 ASS a game) or Langford (3 PTS/1 REB a game) anyway on the trade market.

We had 3 first rounders (although Edwards was technically an early 2nd) last year and 3 first rounders this year, it should be possible to end up with at least 2 solid role players in the end.

Really only two young guys that might develop. Grant and Robert Williams (if he can stay healthy). Romeo has James young written all over him. Edwards is a g league player as is tremont. Semi needs to go. Not sure the go young plan has a lot to it.

Saying Romeo has James Young written all over him doesn't make it come true.   Doesn't line up with their respective rookie seasons either. Romeo has shown great defensive acumen and earned Brad Stevens' trust early on despite injury riddled season. You can't say the same about Young.

What a lazy comparison.

[footey]

Way to much panic.   


The best thing that can still happen is Hayward opting out and resigning to a long term contract at a lower price (which signals the team is ok with the Tax)   


Then Kanter opts in and the Celtics can combine him, a late draft pick and some salary filler to get a useful vet (George Hill would be great). 

Then use the other two draft picks to move up and draft their target.   

Use the tax level MLE to add one more vet.

Not losing Hayward for nothing is a very important thing. But Having Hayward himself is not in the best interest of the team, imo.

Smart/Brown/Tatum have the sg-pf spots on lock down. Team needs a huge improvement in depth and could really stand to have a sizeable difference at Center.

Draft can address some of the bench, maybe
a tax payer MLE will help a little
Trading Kanter might help a little.

But none of those will put the team into contention.

Hayward needs to opt in, or be signed and traded for some talent that better fits our needs and age.

Should be a fun 48 hours. The only option rumored out there still for Hayward s&t is Indiana. I think there is real pressure on Ainge with the Hayward stuff.  I am not sold on Turner.  But Celtics need to get a serious rotation wing.  Brown hasn't always stayed healthy and the way Smart plays is accident waiting to happen.  Add Kembas knee.  Turner isnt enough and we lose a lot with Hayward.

There is a Hawks "Insider" claiming the Hawks want him pretty bad, and if he opts out they will immediately make a good offer for him.

They apparently like his ability to shoot and generate offense, which would take a little pressure off of trae and hopefully they start making playoffs (afraid trae gets tired of losing and he leaves)

So If Hayward opts in, that might put pick 6 in play for us.

This is what Hayward's leverage boils down to:

GH Agent:  Danny, Gordon will opt in, but only if you agree not to trade him during the season (subject to trade deadline transaction) or you agree to trade him to a team of his choice (GSW, Pacers, etc.).  If you do not agree with these parameters, he will opt out and sign with ATL/NYK, who are offering him a fantastic 4 year deal.

Danny:  ?? (I need to make a decision here)

[Kernewek]

Way to much panic.   


The best thing that can still happen is Hayward opting out and resigning to a long term contract at a lower price (which signals the team is ok with the Tax)   


Then Kanter opts in and the Celtics can combine him, a late draft pick and some salary filler to get a useful vet (George Hill would be great). 

Then use the other two draft picks to move up and draft their target.   

Use the tax level MLE to add one more vet.

Not losing Hayward for nothing is a very important thing. But Having Hayward himself is not in the best interest of the team, imo.

Smart/Brown/Tatum have the sg-pf spots on lock down. Team needs a huge improvement in depth and could really stand to have a sizeable difference at Center.

Draft can address some of the bench, maybe
a tax payer MLE will help a little
Trading Kanter might help a little.

But none of those will put the team into contention.

Hayward needs to opt in, or be signed and traded for some talent that better fits our needs and age.

Should be a fun 48 hours. The only option rumored out there still for Hayward s&t is Indiana. I think there is real pressure on Ainge with the Hayward stuff.  I am not sold on Turner.  But Celtics need to get a serious rotation wing.  Brown hasn't always stayed healthy and the way Smart plays is accident waiting to happen.  Add Kembas knee.  Turner isnt enough and we lose a lot with Hayward.

There is a Hawks "Insider" claiming the Hawks want him pretty bad, and if he opts out they will immediately make a good offer for him.

They apparently like his ability to shoot and generate offense, which would take a little pressure off of trae and hopefully they start making playoffs (afraid trae gets tired of losing and he leaves)

So If Hayward opts in, that might put pick 6 in play for us.

Yes, that is a strong rumor.  I know Huerter has stated he is trying to mold his game like Hayward.  But Hayward opting out and Celtics getting nothing is a huge loss.

Agreed, that is why he needs to opt in. He owes it to the franchise to at least do that. Or do some kind of a sign and trade maybe.

He owes it to the franchise to be paid 34 mil?

Yeah, to give them a chance to re-coop something.

Fair enough, but it's a double edged sword for him: if there's no say on where he's going, that's a big expiring contract for Ainge to play with (obviously these are worth less than they used to be).

[Rikibellevie]

Maybe "trader Danny" will show one more year his nickname belong to past and he is now more "Danny the true process"...
If we can't find a real upgrade trade with Gordon + picks (which is a hard trade to make for many reason) and none bite in top ten picks to trade ag all our draft picks, he could still be patient... He may draft a player for the bench at 14 and stash or trade for future picks... I really think and hope the AD miss has changed Dannys perspecive and we will continue to build with our youth

[boscel33]

Here's my shot:

GH/RL/26/47 to Indiana for MB and MT

PG: Kemba Walker
SG: Malcolm Brogdon
SF:  Jaylen Brown
PF: Jayson Tatum
C:  Myles Turner

Bench:
PG: Marcus Smart
PG/SG: RJ Hampton (#14)
G: Carsen Edwards
SF: Grant Williams
PF/C: Rob Williams
PF/C: Xavier Tillman (#30)
PF/C: Harry Giles
C: Daniel Theis
C: Tako Fall (2-way)

Probably some others on filler deals.

[wdleehi]

Check out this tweet....


https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/1328725223676395525

Danny Ainge was throwing Kemba at everybody trying to get the picks for Jrue. Instead... it won’t be happy Holidays for him

Perhaps Danny choses Hayward over Kemba?

Would NYK trade a PG and the pick for Kemba?

Smart/Frank
Brown/Romeo
Hayward/#14
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Timelord

Did a quick check on the tweeter and really didn't see any "breaking news" from him anywhere.   So I will take it with a grain of salt for now.   

But even if Ainge was trying to use Walker to get Holiday doesn't mean he is going to just move Walker.   Now that the "target" is gone, so likely is the zeal to trade away the player.