Celticsstrong 2021 Historical Draft - VOTES ARE IN

[nickagneta]

It's 9:55. Go ahead and make your pick Darth

[Somebody]

So I was realizing last that I only really have a Plan A and a Plan B for this draft pick today & overall team dynamic as a result of that (similar in each case).

Not the best idea to have only 2 plans / options when your pick is 10 picks away!

I know when I play these games in the past, sometimes I make really good decisions when the plan falls apart and sometimes I make really bad decisions. Today could end up being one of those swing days for me.

I hope my plan A is there. It is the main reason I chose Doc #1. The idea / dream of those two guys playing on the same team. We'll see.

Nervous times ....

I understand completely that feeling, I had 2 plan yesterday, and now I am on a completely new plan.
I actually had Drexler as being in the top 7 on my list and had no plan at all to build a team with him on it. so here we are. on to plan 3.

I have a list of 16 players I would like to take at my picks 30 and 31 and another list of 5 I hope to pick at 50(?)

But it is really hard to guess what people are going to do .

I'm not sure if Drexler would've even made it into my top 10 (although I have a bunch of players clustered together in the same range after the top 8 ) . This draft is going to be incredible lol.

Which is strange as he was a great player.  Best player on 2 separate Finals team.  2nd best player on a champion. Original Dream Team member.  Had a pretty incredible 4 year run in Portland starting with his best statistical season 27/8/6 with 3 steals on an average team before stringing together 3 seasons of at least 57 wins with 2 NBA Finals and WCF (where his stats were a bit less, but he was clearly the best player on those teams).  Finished 2nd in MVP voting one year.  He just strikes as the perfect type of player for this draft because of the breadth of his overall skill set and he seemed pretty clearly to me to be the 2nd best SG available behind Kobe.

I feel that Blazers team made him look better than he actually was - it was an excellent supporting cast with plenty of defence, shooting, extra passing and even some on-ball creation to ease his offensive burden a bit when needed. Obviously Clyde deserves a lot of credit for being the figurehead of that squad, but he wasn't a heliocentric piece who had titanic impact with their presence like Jordan/Magic/Bird in that era and it shows in his stats: his plus-minus/team performance signals are mixed throughout his prime years and his box stats don't look as great as his raw slash line would suggest (the picture below obviously misses his floor-raising efforts in '88 and '89, but his gaudy slash line was more about his support not being great rather than him being a materially different player, so his '91-'93 stretch with good teams would be a better representation of his box impact in this draft where every team should be loaded with talent):

Just feel that his body of work during those years strike me as what a "second tier offensive star" would produce, just like some of the names in the picture. Doesn't mean that he's suddenly a poor player, but I don't quite buy that he was the Kobe of the 80s and 90s. Btw I rate his work with the Rockets in '95, but he was a very distant second best player on that title winning squad, he wasn't exactly Hakeem's Pippen.

[Darth_Yoda]

the Spurs feel like their arena is getting a little too hot.
The Air Conditioners are broken and there is only one way to cool the building down.

by adding a little ICE.

With the 2(1) pick the Spurs select.



The "Iceman" Chuck Lidell George Gervin!!!!!

[Moranis]

Gervin was on the top of my board for today.  Figured I had no shot at him though.

[nickagneta]

the Spurs feel like their arena is getting a little too hot.
The Air Conditioners are broken and there is only one way to cool the building down.

by adding a little ICE.

With the 2(1) pick the Spurs select.



The "Iceman" Chuck Lidell George Gervin!!!!!

Winter is coming!!! Nice pick!

[Celtic Fan Forever]

the Spurs feel like their arena is getting a little too hot.
The Air Conditioners are broken and there is only one way to cool the building down.

by adding a little ICE.

With the 2(1) pick the Spurs select.



The "Iceman" Chuck Lidell George Gervin!!!!!

Was hoping he would fall a little more, great pick!

[nickagneta]

Gervin was on the top of my board for today.  Figured I had no shot at him though.

He is the guy I had in my top 10 instead of Jokic.

[Darth_Yoda]

So I was realizing last that I only really have a Plan A and a Plan B for this draft pick today & overall team dynamic as a result of that (similar in each case).

Not the best idea to have only 2 plans / options when your pick is 10 picks away!

I know when I play these games in the past, sometimes I make really good decisions when the plan falls apart and sometimes I make really bad decisions. Today could end up being one of those swing days for me.

I hope my plan A is there. It is the main reason I chose Doc #1. The idea / dream of those two guys playing on the same team. We'll see.

Nervous times ....

I understand completely that feeling, I had 2 plan yesterday, and now I am on a completely new plan.
I actually had Drexler as being in the top 7 on my list and had no plan at all to build a team with him on it. so here we are. on to plan 3.

I have a list of 16 players I would like to take at my picks 30 and 31 and another list of 5 I hope to pick at 50(?)

But it is really hard to guess what people are going to do .

I'm not sure if Drexler would've even made it into my top 10 (although I have a bunch of players clustered together in the same range after the top 8 ) . This draft is going to be incredible lol.

Which is strange as he was a great player.  Best player on 2 separate Finals team.  2nd best player on a champion. Original Dream Team member.  Had a pretty incredible 4 year run in Portland starting with his best statistical season 27/8/6 with 3 steals on an average team before stringing together 3 seasons of at least 57 wins with 2 NBA Finals and WCF (where his stats were a bit less, but he was clearly the best player on those teams).  Finished 2nd in MVP voting one year.  He just strikes as the perfect type of player for this draft because of the breadth of his overall skill set and he seemed pretty clearly to me to be the 2nd best SG available behind Kobe.

I feel that Blazers team made him look better than he actually was - it was an excellent supporting cast with plenty of defence, shooting, extra passing and even some on-ball creation to ease his offensive burden a bit when needed. Obviously Clyde deserves a lot of credit for being the figurehead of that squad, but he wasn't a heliocentric piece who had titanic impact with their presence like Jordan/Magic/Bird in that era and it shows in his stats: his plus-minus/team performance signals are mixed throughout his prime years and his box stats don't look as great as his raw slash line would suggest (the picture below obviously misses his floor-raising efforts in '88 and '89, but his gaudy slash line was more about his support not being great rather than him being a materially different player, so his '91-'93 stretch with good teams would be a better representation of his box impact in this draft where every team should be loaded with talent):



Just feel that his body of work during those years strike me as what a "second tier offensive star" would produce, just like some of the names in the picture. Doesn't mean that he's suddenly a poor player, but I don't quite buy that he was the Kobe of the 80s and 90s. Btw I rate his work with the Rockets in '95, but he was a very distant second best player on that title winning squad, he wasn't exactly Hakeem's Pippen.

Kind of hard to hold it against Clyde that he didnt impact a team as much as Jordan, Bird or Magic.

I mean, who did?

[Moranis]

Gervin was on the top of my board for today.  Figured I had no shot at him though.

He is the guy I had in my top 10 instead of Jokic.

I did as well.  I had him in the same general range as Clyde.  Different skill sets, but same general value range.

[Moranis]

So I was realizing last that I only really have a Plan A and a Plan B for this draft pick today & overall team dynamic as a result of that (similar in each case).

Not the best idea to have only 2 plans / options when your pick is 10 picks away!

I know when I play these games in the past, sometimes I make really good decisions when the plan falls apart and sometimes I make really bad decisions. Today could end up being one of those swing days for me.

I hope my plan A is there. It is the main reason I chose Doc #1. The idea / dream of those two guys playing on the same team. We'll see.

Nervous times ....

I understand completely that feeling, I had 2 plan yesterday, and now I am on a completely new plan.
I actually had Drexler as being in the top 7 on my list and had no plan at all to build a team with him on it. so here we are. on to plan 3.

I have a list of 16 players I would like to take at my picks 30 and 31 and another list of 5 I hope to pick at 50(?)

But it is really hard to guess what people are going to do .

I'm not sure if Drexler would've even made it into my top 10 (although I have a bunch of players clustered together in the same range after the top 8 ) . This draft is going to be incredible lol.

Which is strange as he was a great player.  Best player on 2 separate Finals team.  2nd best player on a champion. Original Dream Team member.  Had a pretty incredible 4 year run in Portland starting with his best statistical season 27/8/6 with 3 steals on an average team before stringing together 3 seasons of at least 57 wins with 2 NBA Finals and WCF (where his stats were a bit less, but he was clearly the best player on those teams).  Finished 2nd in MVP voting one year.  He just strikes as the perfect type of player for this draft because of the breadth of his overall skill set and he seemed pretty clearly to me to be the 2nd best SG available behind Kobe.

I feel that Blazers team made him look better than he actually was - it was an excellent supporting cast with plenty of defence, shooting, extra passing and even some on-ball creation to ease his offensive burden a bit when needed. Obviously Clyde deserves a lot of credit for being the figurehead of that squad, but he wasn't a heliocentric piece who had titanic impact with their presence like Jordan/Magic/Bird in that era and it shows in his stats: his plus-minus/team performance signals are mixed throughout his prime years and his box stats don't look as great as his raw slash line would suggest (the picture below obviously misses his floor-raising efforts in '88 and '89, but his gaudy slash line was more about his support not being great rather than him being a materially different player, so his '91-'93 stretch with good teams would be a better representation of his box impact in this draft where every team should be loaded with talent):


Just feel that his body of work during those years strike me as what a "second tier offensive star" would produce, just like some of the names in the picture. Doesn't mean that he's suddenly a poor player, but I don't quite buy that he was the Kobe of the 80s and 90s. Btw I rate his work with the Rockets in '95, but he was a very distant second best player on that title winning squad, he wasn't exactly Hakeem's Pippen.

You should delete the picture, it has several available players that have yet to be drafted and we don't talk about available undrafted players.

[Somebody]

the Spurs feel like their arena is getting a little too hot.
The Air Conditioners are broken and there is only one way to cool the building down.

by adding a little ICE.

With the 2(1) pick the Spurs select.



The "Iceman" Chuck Lidell George Gervin!!!!!

Great pick! So Drexler at SF?

[Darth_Yoda]

I believe I have a pretty punishing wing combo now with Clyde (Shooting, playmaking, defending) and Gervin (scoring, scoring and scoring)

Challenge I guess now will be building around those 2.

[Somebody]

So I was realizing last that I only really have a Plan A and a Plan B for this draft pick today & overall team dynamic as a result of that (similar in each case).

Not the best idea to have only 2 plans / options when your pick is 10 picks away!

I know when I play these games in the past, sometimes I make really good decisions when the plan falls apart and sometimes I make really bad decisions. Today could end up being one of those swing days for me.

I hope my plan A is there. It is the main reason I chose Doc #1. The idea / dream of those two guys playing on the same team. We'll see.

Nervous times ....

I understand completely that feeling, I had 2 plan yesterday, and now I am on a completely new plan.
I actually had Drexler as being in the top 7 on my list and had no plan at all to build a team with him on it. so here we are. on to plan 3.

I have a list of 16 players I would like to take at my picks 30 and 31 and another list of 5 I hope to pick at 50(?)

But it is really hard to guess what people are going to do .

I'm not sure if Drexler would've even made it into my top 10 (although I have a bunch of players clustered together in the same range after the top 8 ) . This draft is going to be incredible lol.

Which is strange as he was a great player.  Best player on 2 separate Finals team.  2nd best player on a champion. Original Dream Team member.  Had a pretty incredible 4 year run in Portland starting with his best statistical season 27/8/6 with 3 steals on an average team before stringing together 3 seasons of at least 57 wins with 2 NBA Finals and WCF (where his stats were a bit less, but he was clearly the best player on those teams).  Finished 2nd in MVP voting one year.  He just strikes as the perfect type of player for this draft because of the breadth of his overall skill set and he seemed pretty clearly to me to be the 2nd best SG available behind Kobe.

I feel that Blazers team made him look better than he actually was - it was an excellent supporting cast with plenty of defence, shooting, extra passing and even some on-ball creation to ease his offensive burden a bit when needed. Obviously Clyde deserves a lot of credit for being the figurehead of that squad, but he wasn't a heliocentric piece who had titanic impact with their presence like Jordan/Magic/Bird in that era and it shows in his stats: his plus-minus/team performance signals are mixed throughout his prime years and his box stats don't look as great as his raw slash line would suggest (the picture below obviously misses his floor-raising efforts in '88 and '89, but his gaudy slash line was more about his support not being great rather than him being a materially different player, so his '91-'93 stretch with good teams would be a better representation of his box impact in this draft where every team should be loaded with talent):

Just feel that his body of work during those years strike me as what a "second tier offensive star" would produce, just like some of the names in the picture. Doesn't mean that he's suddenly a poor player, but I don't quite buy that he was the Kobe of the 80s and 90s. Btw I rate his work with the Rockets in '95, but he was a very distant second best player on that title winning squad, he wasn't exactly Hakeem's Pippen.

You should delete the picture, it has several available players that have yet to be drafted and we don't talk about available undrafted players.

Done.

[gouki88]

Clyde and Gervin is a fun wing duo to build around

[Darth_Yoda]

the Spurs feel like their arena is getting a little too hot.
The Air Conditioners are broken and there is only one way to cool the building down.

by adding a little ICE.

With the 2(1) pick the Spurs select.



The "Iceman" Chuck Lidell George Gervin!!!!!

Great pick! So Drexler at SF?

either for either position.

But Drexler with his ability to pass and his larger mass will most likely start at SF with George at SG